NOTE: This page is in desperate need of revision and expansion. In the meantime, I suggest you use Rationalwiki’s Manosphere Glossary.
For newcomers to this blog, here’s a handy guide to some of the strange acronyms and lingo you’ll encounter here and in the “manosphere” in general. (For a definition of that term, see below.) I will update this entry periodically as needed.
First, the acronyms you’ll see most often here:
MRA: Men’s Rights Activist
MRM: Men’s Rights Movement
MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way MGHOW: Man Going His Own Way.
Ok, so what do those terms mean?
MRM: The Men’s Rights Movement: A loosely defined, but largely retrograde, collection of activists and internet talkers who fight for what they see as “men’s rights.” Unlike the original Men’s Movement, which was inspired by and heavily influenced by feminism, the self-described Men’s Rights Movement is largely a reactionary movement; with few exceptions, Men’s Rights Activists (or MRAs) are pretty rabidly antifeminist, and many are frankly and sometimes proudly misogynistic. Those who oppose the MRM are generally not against men’s rights per se; they are opposed to those who’ve turned those two words into a synonym for some pretty backwards notions.
MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way: As the name suggests, MGTOW is a lot like lesbian separatism, but for straight dudes. MGTOW often talk vaguely about seeking “independence” from western and/or consumer culture, and a few MGTOW try to live that sort of zen existence. But most of those who embrace the term have a deep hostility towards and/or profound distrust of feminists and women in general. Many MGTOW refuse to date “western women” and some try to avoid women altogether. I think the Man Going His Own Way acronym MGHOW adds another layer of confusion to an already awkward acronym, so I use MGTOWer instead.
Some other terms and acronyms you’ll run across here:
Anglosphere: Countries in which English is the primary language, or, more narrowly, those countries that used to be British colonies. They are full of evil Western Women (see below).
Incel: Involuntarily Celibate. A term, and identity, adopted by some dateless guys (as well as some women, but it’s the men we’ll focus on here). While there is nothing shameful about being dateless, or a virgin, or having a really long dry spell sexually — most of us have been there at some point — the term “involuntarily celibate” seems to suggest that the world owes incels sex, and that women who turn down incel men for dates or sex are somehow oppressing them. For those (male, straight) incels who are genuinely socially awkward or phobic, this can be a self-defeating stance that can lead to bitterness towards women. And often does.
Mangina: Derogatory term used by MRAs, MGTOW, etc. to describe guys who disagree with them — e.g., me. You can figure out the various connotations of this term yourself.
The Manosphere: The loose collection of blogs, message boards, and other sites run by and/or read by MRAs, MGTOW, and assorted friendly Pick-up Artists. The primary source of material for this blog.
NAWALT: Not All Women Are Like That. Dudes in the manosphere make so many ridiculous and untrue generalizations about women that they’ve come up with their own little acronym to describe the most common reaction to their nonsense: “not all women are like that.” Remarkably, many seem to think that making a reference to NAWALT is actually some sort of clever rebuttal of their critics.
PUA: Pick-up Artist. PUAs are obsessed with mastering what they see as the ultimate set of techniques and attitudes — known as “Game” — that will enable them to quickly seduce almost any woman they want. There is a vast literature on “game” online, though PUA (insofar as it is not complete bullshit) is at its essence simply a male version of the age-old ploy of “playing hard to get.”
Western Women: Also known as WW. Evil harpies, at least according to many in the manosphere. Contrasted with “foreign women,” a term that (in the manosphere, at least) sometimes refers to all women outside the Anglosphere, but often refers to a subset of these women from poor and/or Eastern countries, mostly Asian, who are regarded as more pliable and thus more desirable to haters of “Ameriskanks” and other WW.
Good point. So if false rape is that second point, then that first point is…actual rape?
They don’t want to be falsely accused of rape because… they’d go to jail and get raped?
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I find it interesting that SSJ thinks false tape accusations are so rampant that men need to avoid women entirely to be safe from them, but Schrodinger’s rapist? Schrodinger’s rapist is hateful, dehumanizing misandry.
That should read “false rape accusations,” not “false tape accusations.”
Would a False Tape Accusation be something Richard Nixon had to deal with? *innocent*
So now we have Schrodinger’s False Rape Accuser? My head is starting to spin.
@LBT There you go, C.R.E.E.P.- shaming again… 😀
@sparky,
I like how women are told to take responsibility for themselves and their safety and do all that they can to avoid being raped because there’s just no way that we can stop men raping us, but when we exercise precautions and carefully evaluate people whom we’re just meeting (following the Schrodinger’s Rapist principle), that’s suddenly misandry.
Also, aren’t women’s-only self-defense classes also frequently shunned for being misandry, even though those classes are meant to help women stop rapists? God, it’s almost like they don’t want us to take responsibility for our safety. They just want to claim that we should so that they can blame us if we get raped.
Anyways, SSJ asked why the wage gap hasn’t caused men to be forced out of jobs…
You’re forgetting that the wage gap is due to numerous factors, each of which point to women’s work outside of the home being less valued than men’s. Women might get pregnant, have kids, and work fewer hours? Lower pay for the same jobs. Women’s work (i.e. jobs typically done by women) isn’t as valued as men’s work? Lower pay for everyone in the women’s fields, but especially for the women. So, if women are being paid less because their work seen as being less valuable than men’s work and if men are seen as a better investment, then of course men won’t be forced out of the job market. Not if employers are worried that their female employees will take off too much time for the kids.
So, how, exactly did the MRA help him? Why should feminists have to help men who lust after children instead of protecting the children from the potential abuser? Oh, right, I forgot. It’s always about teh menz. Sorry, my silly laydee brain got confuzzled and I thought we should protect potential victims instead of potential abusers. Women and children first, indeed…
That’s all I needed to see from the troll. Kindly fuck off and Go Your Own Way for once.
When will men realize u can’t reason with feminist?
Guys, their minds only run on misogyny. It is the fuel that fortifies their ideology.
Listen to me carefully. No matter how many statistics u use as proof, whether u bring up males have needs and feelings too, or that human beings should simply b kind to one another. It WILL, and I repeat, It WILL be re-purposed as misogyny. These women have no sense of wrong. They have no inner conviction. They do not refect and they lack humility. U can’t reason with someone Like that whether they b man or woman. So just stop already.
“I wouldn’t stress out about MGTOW, I would just continue living my life as if they didn’t exist, they are just a bunch of guys who don’t want to get married.”
A bunch of guys who don’t want to get married yet still obsessing with women on the whole…great advice from you actually but I think you should tell the same thing towards the MGTOW…
“Listen to me carefully. No matter how many statistics u use as proof, whether u bring up males have needs and feelings too, or that human beings should simply b kind to one another.”
be kind to on another?!
DUDE,we’re not the one who engaged in mindless troll making other poeple fears for their lives…We’re not the one who sent death threats or rape threats to other people…we’re no the one who commit mass shoooting simply because we can’t get laid!!!
be kind to one another?!
What better advice to follow than your own?
“When will men realize u can’t reason with feminist?”
Trust me most feminists has already lost hope to reason with these misogynistic creatures..
….gee, thanks unknown traveler. I am inspired by your words of wisdom about how to properly deal with feminists by not dealing with them.
Please do take your own advice.
Necrothread is boringly necroed.
“Things like male suicide, males being raped, male sexual abuse, male genital mutilations.”
This is the fault of feminism?
I don’t think I have seen a feminist that would go and tell a man to commit suicide although I have seen a misogynist trolling around telling women to go killed themselves…if a male being raped by a man(or woman),blamed the rapist,if someone tells you to shut up about it,it’s not the fault of the feminists,but the people who makes you to stay silent about it..I personally know a man who was raped,the only sympathy he receives are from the women while most of his male buddies were making fun of him(it was just a joke!! Bla Bla).You want to blame the feminists for this?!
Male genital mutilations?!
Again you expect the feminist to answer for this?Male genitals mutilations are originated from the middle east which are heavily patriachal societies and again you implied the feminists are responsible for this?!
“So I leave, I take back control of my life, I give up on women and I go MGTOW.”
If I were a MGTOW.I wouldn’t be bothered about women or feminists in general,I would just happily going my own way…
unknown traveler | March 3, 2015 at 7:46 pm
We’re actually quite reasonable. It’s just that sometimes (most of the time), we’re presented with very unreasonable ideas that we don’t agree with.
Wait, wut? You do realize that misogyny is the hatred of women, right? Did you just say that feminists hate women?
Or are you saying that the fact that there is hatred for women proves that there is a need for feminism? Because that’s actually true.
Except your “statistics” keep getting proven to be bullshit, no one said that men don’t have feelings or needs as well (we just don’t think that they get to take priority over our needs, for safety or otherwise, or our feelings), men can be, and are, feminists/feminist allies as well, and maybe if y’all stopped acting like we’re not human too and stopped acting like we’re house slaves/baby-makers/boner toys, then maybe we’d be a little less sarcastic and “mean” about it.
I do too have a sense of wrong! Rape, women getting paid less than men for the same work, women being beaten and killed for telling a grown man “no” = Wrong. See?
We can’t “refect”. That’s not a word. And if you meant “reflect”, we can’t do that either. We’re not a shiny, polished surface. We’re made of fleshy bits, just like you!
As for internal, “emotional” or “spiritual” reflection: We are perfectly capable of that. Everyone is. You just don’t think we’re doing it right, Mr. Traveler, and quite frankly, I couldn’t give any fewer fucks.
See, this is why we can’t have nice discussions. Y’all march in here with it in your heads that we just “can’t be reasoned with” instead of actually trying to start a discussion that doesn’t start with “why are you all such bitches?”, “what about my boner?” or “Why can’t I fuck a twelve year old?!”.
If you came here in good faith, and actually wanted to have a discussion instead of making a sad attempt to prove your feminist strawperson is fact, we’d be more than happy to have one with you.
Until then, go sit in the corner and think about what you did. No necroing threads! Don’t make me get the spray bottle!
“Listen to me carefully. No matter how many statistics u use as proof?”
What statistics?
“You see mysandry everywhere”
Which mysandry?
Hey now, I happen to have a little brain-scanny thingy with me, and I can prove our minds don’t “run on misogyny,” whatever that means.
Let me just… mmf… put this here… urg… aaannnddd… ff… There we go. Let’s listen in, shall we?
Misogyny misogyny
Uh…
Misogyny misogyny
Wait one sec
Misogyny misogyny
Huh.
Misogyny misogyny
Actually, this is kinda catchy.
Misogyny misogyny (uh)
Misogyny misogyny (oh no no)
Misogyny misogyny (uh)
Misogyny misogyny (Here we go!)
Every day, every night
Out of mind, out of sight
Feel the grind, feel the plight
The drumbeat (uh)
Of lives you don’t live.
(Misogyny misogyny, oh no no)
You can simply tune it out
Wonder what they’re talkin’ ’bout
Say that you don’t hear their shout
Their sorrows (uh)
Their lives you don’t live.
(Misogyny misogyny, oh no no)
(mmmmmmmm)
Background noise is easy to ignore
When you don’t hear it.
(mmmmmmmm)
Chronic pain is easy to ignore
When you don’t feel it.
Misogyny mysogyny (uh)
Misogyny mysogyny (oh no no)
Misogyny mysogyny (uh)
Misogyny mysogyny (oh no no)
Men can want, men can need
If you prick, men will bleed
Men are dirt for the seed
Of suffering (uh)
Of lives we all live
(Misogyny misogyny, oh no no)
Men can triumph, men can fall
Men experience it all
Everything except the call
Of sexism (uh)
In lives we all live
(Misogyny misogyny, oh no no)
(mmmmmmm)
Background noise is easy to ignore
When you don’t hear it.
(mmmmmmm)
Chronic pain is easy to ignore
When you don’t feel it.
(oooooooooh)
You’re a traveler in unknown lands.
You leave your footprint on the sands
Of worn out paths and dirtied hands
…
(aaaaaaaaaah)
Blind your eyes to block out what you fear,
Just pretend it’s your words they don’t hear,
Preach your love while never drawing near
…
And just ignore the
Misogyny misogyny (uh)
Misogyny misogyny (oh no no)
Misogyny misogyny (uh)
Misogyny misogyny (oh no no)
One day the drumbeat will fall silent.
Misogyny misogyny
And on that day, the silence will be deafening.
Misogyny misogyny
So before you invoke the suffering of man to negate the suffering of woman,
Misogyny misogyny
Think very carefully about where your motivations lie.
Misogyny misogyny
Listen. Don’t let the drumbeat drown the voices out.
misogyny misogyny
And ask yourself if you will celebrate its passing,
misogyny
Or mourn the loss of your unearned privilege.
…
And ask if you truly care about men, or simply want the silence to stop.
kirbywarp
You just might have an alternative career ahead of you. Well done.
I love feminism. Its brings female nature out in its most purest form. So selfish, so dark. The truth is men would have never understood women without it. I already know you prioritize yourselves before men. The problem is men prioritize women before themselves. young Men are taught to put women first not realizing women aren’t minded to do the same. Its time for men to let that concept go.
I had a lovely conversation with your feminist friend Katie some months ago. She said something divine. (Maybe women don’t care for male appreciation.) Thats when it clicked, its so simple. The truth is feminist don’t care for male appreciation. They care male sacrifice. They only care themselves. The needs of women and nothing more. Its so glorious.
So what’s wrong with men teaching other men to prioritize themselves over women. To live only for their children and their selves. To cut off resposibilty to women. After all she is strong and indepedant. It was women that said men are obsolete. She doesn’t care for his appreciation nor does she give it respect. So what’s wrong with letting women fend for themselves.
Unfortunately this isnt embedded in men, instead it must be taught. The only way this can b taught is by understanding female nature.
Honestly, bro, no one cares if men take care of themselves first and foremost. That’s kind of what’s expected of most adults. I’m not sure you seem to be talking like this is some kind of way to punish women for daring to care for themselves.
Well, actually, I suppose I do know why. It’s because MTGOWs are like those kids that threaten to run away from home, spouting things like “YOU’LL MISS ME WHEN I’M GONE! AND THEN YOU’LL BE SORRY YOU WEREN’T NICER TO ME” and then never actually leave because they want to watch as people (fail to) collapse in despair at the thought of their loss.
Fair enough. I believe there are men like that in mgtow too. I want thos men to let those feelings go. Because to have those feelings show that u still care about women. Believe it or not It’s not so easy to switch those feelings off. Its a process to rewrite years of programming. Still it needs to be done for men to grow and effectivly move on. Women shouldnt feel punished from what I wrote. They should just accept that this is the new masculinity and allow men to live it and teach it as they please.
@unknown traveler
You keep talking about how men should just go solo and move on without women yet here you are on a feminist blog telling the regulars how awful we are. That doesn’t quite line up with “letting those feelings go”, in fact you sound just like all the other MGTOWs that pop up here like gophers.
If your movement is all about being independent from women why do you care what women and feminists do in their own spaces?
Maybe they should start up their own MGTOW monastery(manastery?).
With weightlifting, and beer, and mansports, and no internet connection. The internet is full of teh wimminz, it’s like a man can’t even go his own way anymore without finding himself necroing threads on feminist blogs!