NOTE: This page is in desperate need of revision and expansion. In the meantime, I suggest you use Rationalwiki’s Manosphere Glossary.
For newcomers to this blog, here’s a handy guide to some of the strange acronyms and lingo you’ll encounter here and in the “manosphere” in general. (For a definition of that term, see below.) I will update this entry periodically as needed.
First, the acronyms you’ll see most often here:
MRA: Men’s Rights Activist
MRM: Men’s Rights Movement
MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way MGHOW: Man Going His Own Way.
Ok, so what do those terms mean?
MRM: The Men’s Rights Movement: A loosely defined, but largely retrograde, collection of activists and internet talkers who fight for what they see as “men’s rights.” Unlike the original Men’s Movement, which was inspired by and heavily influenced by feminism, the self-described Men’s Rights Movement is largely a reactionary movement; with few exceptions, Men’s Rights Activists (or MRAs) are pretty rabidly antifeminist, and many are frankly and sometimes proudly misogynistic. Those who oppose the MRM are generally not against men’s rights per se; they are opposed to those who’ve turned those two words into a synonym for some pretty backwards notions.
MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way: As the name suggests, MGTOW is a lot like lesbian separatism, but for straight dudes. MGTOW often talk vaguely about seeking “independence” from western and/or consumer culture, and a few MGTOW try to live that sort of zen existence. But most of those who embrace the term have a deep hostility towards and/or profound distrust of feminists and women in general. Many MGTOW refuse to date “western women” and some try to avoid women altogether. I think the Man Going His Own Way acronym MGHOW adds another layer of confusion to an already awkward acronym, so I use MGTOWer instead.
Some other terms and acronyms you’ll run across here:
Anglosphere: Countries in which English is the primary language, or, more narrowly, those countries that used to be British colonies. They are full of evil Western Women (see below).
Incel: Involuntarily Celibate. A term, and identity, adopted by some dateless guys (as well as some women, but it’s the men we’ll focus on here). While there is nothing shameful about being dateless, or a virgin, or having a really long dry spell sexually — most of us have been there at some point — the term “involuntarily celibate” seems to suggest that the world owes incels sex, and that women who turn down incel men for dates or sex are somehow oppressing them. For those (male, straight) incels who are genuinely socially awkward or phobic, this can be a self-defeating stance that can lead to bitterness towards women. And often does.
Mangina: Derogatory term used by MRAs, MGTOW, etc. to describe guys who disagree with them — e.g., me. You can figure out the various connotations of this term yourself.
The Manosphere: The loose collection of blogs, message boards, and other sites run by and/or read by MRAs, MGTOW, and assorted friendly Pick-up Artists. The primary source of material for this blog.
NAWALT: Not All Women Are Like That. Dudes in the manosphere make so many ridiculous and untrue generalizations about women that they’ve come up with their own little acronym to describe the most common reaction to their nonsense: “not all women are like that.” Remarkably, many seem to think that making a reference to NAWALT is actually some sort of clever rebuttal of their critics.
PUA: Pick-up Artist. PUAs are obsessed with mastering what they see as the ultimate set of techniques and attitudes — known as “Game” — that will enable them to quickly seduce almost any woman they want. There is a vast literature on “game” online, though PUA (insofar as it is not complete bullshit) is at its essence simply a male version of the age-old ploy of “playing hard to get.”
Western Women: Also known as WW. Evil harpies, at least according to many in the manosphere. Contrasted with “foreign women,” a term that (in the manosphere, at least) sometimes refers to all women outside the Anglosphere, but often refers to a subset of these women from poor and/or Eastern countries, mostly Asian, who are regarded as more pliable and thus more desirable to haters of “Ameriskanks” and other WW.
[Rapey quotation from troll deleted at commenter’s request – mods]
I sincerely hope you enjoy your ban you sexist, garbage-oozing pustule.
Women don’t like the attention. Women have come out EN MASSE to tell men they don’t like the attention. Stop telling us how we should feel and mansplaining to us how our brains work. Our feelings are fucking valid, and we have a right to them.
Also, getting beat up because of your sexual orientation or your race is NOT harassment. It is ASSAULT and a HATE CRIME. Learn what words mean.
Right, that last comment from the troll is out, and I’m emailing David.
@kittehserf
Do you need to edit out the blockquote in my last post as well? Because I’m kind of having post regret right about now.
Vivalidi, I didn’t actually mind you. I mean, I didn’t buy that you don’t really know the difference between being friendly with someone because they happen to be open to being friendly and harassing someone who is telegraphing “leave me the heck alone” vibes, but you at least didn’t seem quite as annoying.
…and you just blew it with that last one.
Really, that imagery was both gross and unnecessary. Way to make sex sound ridiculously unappealing, bro.
Also, way to totally mess up the definition of respect.
That’s all new levels of backwardsupsidedowndefinitioning.
Well, that got real creepy real fast.
So with that imagery is anyone else thinking that all the, er, sex he’s gotten has been pretty much pulling women off the street into dark alleys and ‘ramming’ them against their will?
No probs, ParadoxicalIntention, I’ll blip that bit too if you want. It is disgusting.
I’ve just emailed the Dark Lord – could anyone who feels this troll’s banworthy message him too, please? Has more weight if it comes from more people.
ParadoxicalIntention – if it is any help, I think you did a fantastic job of demonstrating why Mr. Vivaldi got banned.
We accept you! We accept you! One of us, one of us!
If he DOESN’T get banned, I will be back to mock him again.
Glossary trolls tend to flame out pretty quickly. They always seem to be surprised to encounter pushback.
@Kittehserf: Thanks. Kind of weird how he just sort of went from “alright” to “frothing, raging Douche McShitpost” isn’t it?
@Robert: Bless your face. You’re too kind. ✧・゚: *✧・゚:* (◕‿◕✿)/ *:・゚✧*:・゚✧
And I will be back to rip him a new one through type as well. What a jerk.
My spidey-sense (mousey sense?) started giving me troll tingles when he talked about how “there’s such things as VIBES, you know.” Sure, you can read my mind – tell me aaaaaaaaaall about how I really do like it when random dudes try to get me into their cars while I walk to the bus stop. I have a very friendly vibe; I find skinny jeans really accentuate it – a vibe is the same thing as an ass, right?
I was so naive sitting here thinking maybe he wasn’t that bad before that last terrible comment. Definitely ban-worthy.
But yeah, that earlier thing about vibes was also pretty icky.
He is a perfect illustration of the way street harassers go from hello to rape threats in sixty seconds when they don’t get what they want from the random women they accost on the streets. Doodz, keep the notes from your boner in your pocket where they belong.
thebewilderness
QFT.
I don’t think a lot of men realize how terrifying they are to women, and I think even fewer still want to realize that they’re a problem at all for fear it would bruise their ego, or worse, that they’d have to admit they’re wrong.
It still scares me to this very day when men go from “Hey beautiful!” to “Ungrateful bitch! I’ll fucking kill you!” in the time it takes to say “no”, or from a moment’s silence.
I kind of hate it when a comment gets deleted before I get to see it. Too much curiosity on my part. Oh well. It probably wasn’t worth reading.
It must have been pretty bad. It just goes to show that we are right in trusting our instincts. He pretended to be reasonable but we saw red flags and the suspicion turned out to be true. This is why I hate it when guys gaslight us about street harassment. It’s that whole gift of fear thing. When someone makes us uncomfortable, there’s usually a good reason.
I suspect that “giving off vibes” has nothing to do with any of her behavior and everything to do with whether or not he decided he wanted to target her.
@WWTH
He went off about how we are apparently “just as bad as MTGOWs”, and then started spouting some really graphic sex stuff about how most of the sex he gets is from approaching women on the street (he referred to them as “bitches”), and how they love his “respect” and then went on to say they love it when he has sex with them in graphic terms.
All in all, you didn’t miss much. He went from “kind of annoying” to “holy shit what the fuck” in a very short time. It was like watching a firecracker explode, except firecrackers are way more fun and don’t refer to women as “bitches”.
That’s pretty much what I thought. Ew.
WWTH he basically confirmed that he is a street harasser and possibly a rapist.
Yeah, what PI said. It was graphic and deliberately rapey. I don’t know whether the Dark Lord will restore it, but to me it was plenty bad enough to get rid of – if for no other reason than to cut that troll off, pronto.
thebewilderness – or a rape fantasist, at least.
I bit back a lot of my initial snark impulses because I thought maybe I was overreacting. Gotta learn to trust my troll-dar.
Yup. But it’s always disappointing. You try to make allowances for clumsy writing/thinking and think the best of someone who seems potentially reasonable. Give them a chance and all that shit.
Then, KAPOW! Every bit as bad as the worst you imagined.
I tend to get snarky the minute trolls come into this thread, or necro any others.