WTF is a MGTOW? A Glossary

On this blog, MRA does not stand for Magnetic Resonance Angiography

NOTE: This page is in desperate need of revision and expansion. In the meantime, I suggest you use Rationalwiki’s Manosphere Glossary.

For newcomers to this blog, here’s a handy guide to some of the strange acronyms and lingo you’ll encounter here and in the “manosphere” in general. (For a definition of that term, see below.) I will update this entry periodically as needed.

First, the acronyms you’ll see most often here:

MRA: Men’s Rights Activist
MRM: Men’s Rights Movement

MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way MGHOW: Man Going His Own Way.

Ok, so what do those terms mean?

MRM: The Men’s Rights Movement: A loosely defined, but largely retrograde, collection of activists and internet talkers who fight for what they see as “men’s rights.” Unlike the original Men’s Movement, which was inspired by and heavily influenced by feminism, the self-described Men’s Rights Movement is largely a reactionary movement; with few exceptions, Men’s Rights Activists (or MRAs) are pretty rabidly antifeminist, and many are frankly and sometimes proudly misogynistic. Those who oppose the MRM are generally not against men’s rights per se; they are opposed to those who’ve turned those two words into a synonym for some pretty backwards notions.

MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way: As the name suggests, MGTOW is a lot like lesbian separatism, but for straight dudes. MGTOW often talk vaguely about seeking “independence” from western and/or consumer culture, and a few MGTOW try to live that sort of zen existence. But most of those who embrace the term have a deep hostility towards and/or profound distrust of feminists and women in general. Many MGTOW refuse to date “western women” and some try to avoid women altogether.  I think the Man Going His Own Way acronym MGHOW adds another layer of confusion to an already awkward acronym, so I use MGTOWer instead.

Some other terms and acronyms you’ll run across here:

Anglosphere: Countries in which English is the primary language, or, more narrowly, those countries that used to be British colonies. They are full of evil Western Women (see below).

Incel: Involuntarily Celibate. A term, and identity, adopted by some dateless guys (as well as some women, but it’s the men we’ll focus on here). While there is nothing shameful about being dateless, or a virgin, or having a really long dry spell sexually — most of us have been there at some point — the term “involuntarily celibate” seems to suggest that the world owes incels sex, and that women who turn down incel men for dates or sex are somehow oppressing them. For those (male, straight) incels who are genuinely socially awkward or phobic, this can be a self-defeating stance that can lead to bitterness towards women. And often does.

Mangina: Derogatory term used by MRAs, MGTOW, etc. to describe guys who disagree with them — e.g., me. You can figure out the various connotations of this term yourself.

The Manosphere: The loose collection of blogs, message boards, and other sites run by and/or read by MRAs, MGTOW, and assorted friendly Pick-up Artists. The primary source of material for this blog.

NAWALT: Not All Women Are Like That. Dudes in the manosphere make so many ridiculous and untrue generalizations about women that they’ve come up with their own little acronym to describe the most common reaction to their nonsense: “not all women are like that.” Remarkably, many seem to think that making a reference to NAWALT is actually some sort of clever rebuttal of their critics.

PUA: Pick-up Artist. PUAs are obsessed with mastering what they see as the ultimate set of techniques and attitudes — known as “Game” — that will enable them to quickly seduce almost any woman they want. There is a vast literature on “game” online, though PUA (insofar as it is not complete bullshit) is at its essence simply a male version of the age-old ploy of “playing hard to get.”

Western Women: Also known as WW. Evil harpies, at least according to many in the manosphere. Contrasted with “foreign women,” a term that (in the manosphere, at least) sometimes refers to all women outside the Anglosphere, but often refers to a subset of these women from poor and/or Eastern countries, mostly Asian, who are regarded as more pliable and thus more desirable to haters of “Ameriskanks” and other WW.

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Viscaria
Viscaria
10 years ago

I stole the word “prize” from Hellkell without even realizing it. Inception?

pecunium
10 years ago

damn… I have to go to work, so this will have to be short:

I don’t have to cite a damn thing for you.

And we don’t have to take your unsupported word for anything.

That is why the overall pay is that way. The only things feminists put out is cheap indoctrination and worthless halfway houses on the taxpayer’s dime.

That’s actually the case (which is why your unsupported word is worthless)

It is blatantly obvious that you don’t care about men’s sexual desires (followed by a lot of strawman blather

I, for one, don’t care about anyone’s sexual desires. I care that people treat eat other as equals, and as creatures with agency. If that means some people don’t get laid, because they can’t figure out where the people who want to fuck them are, that’s tough. (the rest of your blather was as immaterial, as it was false. We don’t care that “men” won’t sleep with “fat slobs”, we care that somen call women they don’t like the look of fat slobs. It’s a crucial distinction, your inability to see/refusal to admit it, speaks volumes as to why you are so bitter and angry).

Uh, no it is not. Pregnancy is a natural side effect of sex. If you have sex recreationally, YOU are responsible for paying for YOUR birth control.

And women who pay for insurance are asking that they be treated just like men. Until things like Viagra and Cialis aren’t covered the impotent bleatings of men who are demanding other people subsidise their boners is pathetic. That men who whine women won’t shag them are all upset about companies being required to treat women as people; and make the tools of recreational sex more readily available is past pathetic, it’s self-defeating.

(BTW, another “natural side effect of sex” is STDs, I’m sure you want to pay full-frieght for the treatments required to cure those, right? It’s only fair.)

You feminists still chide them even then…. Top that off, there are quite a few of you women

Which group are you mad at cupcake? Feminists? Or women?

Looks like a frothing mad case of rage at women to me.

Actually YES, their lives get RUINED. A more known incident of this is the Duke Lacrosse players that got falsely accused. Granted they were never convicted but their education was put on hold, their parents were out a great deal of money, and asshole feminists banged pots outside their homes to keep them awake at night.

Wow… you can’t even find a good case. Not one where the woman actually made a knowingly false accusation and the man went to jail. Pop-quiz (don’t worry, I know the answer, you don’t need to google to impress me), ask yourself what the names are for the Duke boys. I’m sure you know. And you know what happened to them. Did they graduate? Are they making good money, etc..

You don’t. I can tell you the name of teh prosecutor, who went overboard; and got disbarred, but you can’t recall the names of your poster children.

Pathetic.

Never mind the guy who just got through risking his life to protect his country deserves a bit of respect to say the least but I have seen too many cunts talk about how bad their husbands who served overseas were for expecting to come back and enjoy family life.

Did ya now.

Funny, I didn’t. My partner didn’t. Did a lot of relationships break up? Yep. But a lot of relationships break up in any case. For those which undergo the sorts of stress a deployment (or three) puts on a relationship, the rate of breakup/divorce is a lot lower than one would expect.

Again, you are talking out your (ignorant) ass.

I’m not even going into the facile peurility which is the, “risking his life to protect his country”, though that turn of phrase tells me you weren’t there, haven’t been in; made of bluff and bluster, borrowing others glories to hide your deficiencies.

Me, I’m happy with my life. I have partners who love me. I have exes who loves me (and yeah, the person I was seeing when I was deployed broke up with me ten years after we started, and five years after I got back from Iraq. Shit happens, drive on).

You want to call me a “gamma male” go ahead. I don’t care. I don’t think the same can be said for you. What I think is women really don’t give a shit if you ignore them, and that hurts you, which is why you make up so many fairy tales to rationalise it. I hate to break it to you, but it’s not them.

It’s you.

pecunium
10 years ago

Wait… Williams claims to have served?

I suppose it’s possible, but the internal evidence is against it.

So…. (I am describing one of many cases like that which happened to guys in my old unit)

Who were you with? How long were you in (a four and out, a 6×2, a 3 in and re-enlist for a new MOS?, perhaps you did enlist and got a chapter 13, or even an 11) What was your MOS? Any ASIs on that MOS?

I expect to see, “I don’t have to cite anything to you”, because I don’t think you have the ability to honestly answer those questions. It’s possible you could convince me, but the bar is high.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Pecunium — yeah, I side eyed that myself, but figured I’d leave you to grill him on that since you did serve. Though, FTR, my cousin did four and out and would never dream of being as fucking stupid as this tool…despite eventually divorcing as a result. (And omgs, his oldest actually looks like a teenager and it’s so weird having my cousin’s kids go through puberty, I feel old)

alternatesteve90
10 years ago

@CRWilliams: I’d have written some rebuttals to your tomfoolery myself, but I think others have already done a better job than I could, to be honest.

(P.S. Pecunium: thank you for your service. =) )

alternatesteve90
10 years ago

@auggz: *applause* That was…..spectacular. Awesome. Fantastic. You really hit it outta the parkk with that one. =)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
10 years ago

“You don’t care about men’s sexual desires” is so funny. Why should David care about other men’s boners? Why would he? Is this some unique form of philantropy? Will there be people standing outside Safeway collecting donations next week like they do for the Salvation Army?

Ally S
10 years ago

It is the women that tend to demand the workplace bend over for them.

I’m so fucking tired of people using rapey metaphors like “bend over.”

katz
10 years ago

I really doubt David is a female name where he lives.

Only in Iran.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
10 years ago

On the having sex recreationally thing…does this logic mean that the government should pay for birth control for sex workers, in CJs mind? It only seems fair, since in that situation the sex is professional rather than recreational.

Alice Sanguinaria
10 years ago

CassandraSays – That’s actually a really good point. Heaven knows that they’ll try to claim that all women are prostitutes due to their hypergameous nature though.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
10 years ago

But if all women are prostitutes then none of the sex we’re having is recreational, so we’re back to the government being liable for our birth conrol.

I don’t think CJ quite thought this through.

Alice Sanguinaria
10 years ago

Thinking things through is MISANDRY.

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Nawh — pecunium covered that best by pointing out that STDs are also a result of sex, does doofus want to pay for testing and treatment out of pocket? (Dear gods, syphillis is easily treated now, having poor people unable to get that treatment could well take us back to the days of tertiary syphillis)

Which asswipe would probably approve of since it’d discourage the poor from having sex in the first place. Eww, my brain is melting into a puddle of stupid.

pecunium
10 years ago

augzillary: I’ve seen it made for people who ride motorcycles.

katz
10 years ago

I guess logically we should ban seatbelts (or at least mandatory seatbelts in cars) on the grounds that grievous bodily injury is a consequence of driving.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
10 years ago

Broken wrists are a potential consequence of rollerblading, and a cracked-open skull is a potential consequence of cycling. Ban sports safety equipment today!

taitaisanchez
10 years ago

So are seat belts misandry now

Argenti Aertheri
10 years ago

Pecunium — just your friendly reminder that I want a ride on that motorcycle 🙂

Having your kids invade your room is a natural consequence of having kids. We should ban kids. (Yeah, two days ago my mother may’ve agreed, somewhere around “and whoever has their leg in my side, remove it!”)

Brooked
Brooked
10 years ago

@auggziliary

(Sorry this is so long, but he did address me.)

I was curious how you would respond to CR’s screed, since he accuses you of committing dozens of the stock MRA female and/or feminist crimes against men. I’m amazed you even tried to parse out this endless swirl of unsubstantiated accusations pulled from his ass.

It is blatantly obvious that you don’t care about men’s sexual desires otherwise you would not get so furious at men for not dating fat disgusting slob women or you would not be turning down the geeks, so quick to throw stalker labels on others, and all of your other generalizations.

Seriously, WTF?

I’m guessing he didn’t respond to pecunium because he’s a man and CR would rather scream at a woman he can cast as an evil Feminazi overlord, a spoiled princess and a modern woman slattern, all at once. I’m also guessing he’s not going to respond to what you actually wrote in response, but he may screech random hatred at you in week or two.

john
10 years ago

Your site has turned me gay. Thank God I don’t have to deal with you women anymore. Enjoy your feminist dystopia!

kittehserf
10 years ago

I wonder why we’re supposed to care about men’s sexual desires when it’s bleedin’ obvious jackasses like this one don’t care about ours.

katz
10 years ago

John did give me a moment’s amusement because he entered “Doe” in the website field, apparently mistaking it for a last name field. Baby’s first blog comment?

alternatesteve90
10 years ago

@auggz: That’s kinda the impression I got, too.

pecunium
10 years ago

Your site has turned me gay. Thank God I don’t have to deal with you women anymore. Enjoy your feminist dystopia!

I am so glad we were able to help you find your bliss.

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