NOTE: This page is in desperate need of revision and expansion. In the meantime, I suggest you use Rationalwiki’s Manosphere Glossary.
For newcomers to this blog, here’s a handy guide to some of the strange acronyms and lingo you’ll encounter here and in the “manosphere” in general. (For a definition of that term, see below.) I will update this entry periodically as needed.
First, the acronyms you’ll see most often here:
MRA: Men’s Rights Activist
MRM: Men’s Rights Movement
MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way MGHOW: Man Going His Own Way.
Ok, so what do those terms mean?
MRM: The Men’s Rights Movement: A loosely defined, but largely retrograde, collection of activists and internet talkers who fight for what they see as “men’s rights.” Unlike the original Men’s Movement, which was inspired by and heavily influenced by feminism, the self-described Men’s Rights Movement is largely a reactionary movement; with few exceptions, Men’s Rights Activists (or MRAs) are pretty rabidly antifeminist, and many are frankly and sometimes proudly misogynistic. Those who oppose the MRM are generally not against men’s rights per se; they are opposed to those who’ve turned those two words into a synonym for some pretty backwards notions.
MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way: As the name suggests, MGTOW is a lot like lesbian separatism, but for straight dudes. MGTOW often talk vaguely about seeking “independence” from western and/or consumer culture, and a few MGTOW try to live that sort of zen existence. But most of those who embrace the term have a deep hostility towards and/or profound distrust of feminists and women in general. Many MGTOW refuse to date “western women” and some try to avoid women altogether. I think the Man Going His Own Way acronym MGHOW adds another layer of confusion to an already awkward acronym, so I use MGTOWer instead.
Some other terms and acronyms you’ll run across here:
Anglosphere: Countries in which English is the primary language, or, more narrowly, those countries that used to be British colonies. They are full of evil Western Women (see below).
Incel: Involuntarily Celibate. A term, and identity, adopted by some dateless guys (as well as some women, but it’s the men we’ll focus on here). While there is nothing shameful about being dateless, or a virgin, or having a really long dry spell sexually — most of us have been there at some point — the term “involuntarily celibate” seems to suggest that the world owes incels sex, and that women who turn down incel men for dates or sex are somehow oppressing them. For those (male, straight) incels who are genuinely socially awkward or phobic, this can be a self-defeating stance that can lead to bitterness towards women. And often does.
Mangina: Derogatory term used by MRAs, MGTOW, etc. to describe guys who disagree with them — e.g., me. You can figure out the various connotations of this term yourself.
The Manosphere: The loose collection of blogs, message boards, and other sites run by and/or read by MRAs, MGTOW, and assorted friendly Pick-up Artists. The primary source of material for this blog.
NAWALT: Not All Women Are Like That. Dudes in the manosphere make so many ridiculous and untrue generalizations about women that they’ve come up with their own little acronym to describe the most common reaction to their nonsense: “not all women are like that.” Remarkably, many seem to think that making a reference to NAWALT is actually some sort of clever rebuttal of their critics.
PUA: Pick-up Artist. PUAs are obsessed with mastering what they see as the ultimate set of techniques and attitudes — known as “Game” — that will enable them to quickly seduce almost any woman they want. There is a vast literature on “game” online, though PUA (insofar as it is not complete bullshit) is at its essence simply a male version of the age-old ploy of “playing hard to get.”
Western Women: Also known as WW. Evil harpies, at least according to many in the manosphere. Contrasted with “foreign women,” a term that (in the manosphere, at least) sometimes refers to all women outside the Anglosphere, but often refers to a subset of these women from poor and/or Eastern countries, mostly Asian, who are regarded as more pliable and thus more desirable to haters of “Ameriskanks” and other WW.
Athywren: The yoga comment was an in-joke reference to a long gone thread.
Pecunium!
1) I was thinking of yoga dude when Andi said that!
2) “Should I fluff the fainting couch…” — no, just give it to him, solve two problems at once 🙂
3) the rest of that? Picture me, in your garden, clapping, cuz standing ovation! (and if that isn’t a funny mental image…*throws a mango at him*)
So which one is the lie, Andi?*
*I know, it’s the first one.
1977:
All jeans were “unisex” which really meant that they were for men & didn’t fit women.
Laura Ashley fiddly little prints in shades of depressing brown.
The Silver Jubilee – street parties, red, white, & blue clothes & accessories,cold, wet, & windy weather.
+1, augzz. If you define “masculinity” in terms of control over and perceived superiority to women, then yes, feminism is going to be a threat to your “masculinity.” The best examples of men from my own life who had this fragile, femininity-dependent idea of what it means to be a Man have been men who have lost their jobs and felt “emasculated” because they were now dependent on their female partner’s income. Or my ex boyfriend, who felt threatened by me disagreeing with him in public, who wanted me to nod along and save any differing opinions until we were alone.
The word “emasculated” is one of the clearest misogynist dogwhistles, imo. Why would anyone use that word if their ideas about masculinity and how it related to femininity weren’t completely fucked up?
-10/10 and the next deduction week be -3 for claiming that he would stick it.
His dishonesty is belied because he claims feminism sends a certain message, but never gave us a chance to contest that message.
Why would he give us a chance to contest the message? Being rational and dispassionate means never giving up on your preconceptions!!
Oh, wait… that’s the other thing, isn’t it?
Yeah, my masculinity–my state of being male–is actually, remarkably, not entirely reliant on other people doing things a certain way, or any way, or, actually, even on other people existing. If I existed in a void, with nobody else but me, I’d be no less or more male than I am right now.
People whose maleness relies so much on other people? Doesn’t that sound like a scarily FRAGILE idea of masculinity?
Whew. I don’t envy them; their identity is tied so much into other people that it’s a wonder they can function. (can they function? Judges seem divided on this)
Oh goodness yes. It’s as good an indicator as “men and females.”
This is kind of a tangent but for all MRAs talk about the evil hypergamy of women, what I tend to see is middle-class straight guys whose self-esteem is wrapped up in out-earning their partners. They want wives and girfriends from the same SEC, and they are looking for dual-income partnerships, but they need to be bringing in just that little bit more in order to feel comfortable.
Men, if you want rights then keep them. Just remember to strap up and pull out protected. Don’t get married and you will be fine. Save time and buy an escort or let it known at the beginning of any encounter you have with a woman. Not going to give it up? Get out of here. Go after your dreams. Don’t buy the ring, buy a fast car for yourself. Men, hook yourselves up for once.
Strap up and pull out?
You heard it, fellas, bondage AND the withdrawal method are the way to save your rights!
Dammit, kitteh! Why do you hate keyboards?
I blame the Furrinati. I am but their agent. It is part of their ongoing war against humans ignoring them in favour of technology.
You noe can haz it! Iz mine!
@Howard Bannister
I’m not sure if you intended it, but you do realize that you pretty much just word-for-word quoted every “Sociology of Gender” professor ever?
I fully approve. Sometimes sociology can be a load of hot air (see also: ~90% of the “theory” that gets out there) but this particular point made so much freakin sense the first time I heard it.
I don’t think Howard “just” quoted much of anything, Brote, given that his last comment in this thread was more than a month ago.
I’m extremely tired but I’m really not at all sure what you’re on about.
Brodt.** Sorry.
I don’t think Brodt meant “just” in the sense of time, in that comment. I think zie was just (heh!) approving Howard’s summary.
I think I didn’t understand what Brodt was saying and so I jumped to the conclusion that it was something trollish. Sorry about that.
No, Brodt’s commented elsewhere and isn’t trolling – though I can understand your reaction, since that’s what mostly goes on in this section! 😀
hi.
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wow. i spent the better part of this year in therapy over my issues with incel with many years before it in severe depression because of it. There are also
That being said.
“For those (male, straight) incels who are genuinely socially awkward or phobic, this can be a self-defeating stance that can lead to bitterness towards women”
The use of “self-defeating” is kind of shitty here. It feels victim blamey in that those of use who have social disorders are somehow punching ourselves in the face.
Could you please update this so it’s not so horribly ableist?
I meant to say that … “There are also deep issues with social anxiety. I know this. It’s complicated.”
derp.
taiiki, I have issues with social anxiety and depression myself, and there have been times in my life where I suppose you could say I was “involuntarily celibate.” There’s nothing shameful about that, though obviously it feels that way.
What I’m taking issue with is framing the issue not as one of social anxiety but as something that is society’s fault — in particular, the fault of women. Which is what many male incels do. This is what’s self-defeating, and what leads leads to bitternesss, and is self-defeating in that it leads to stewing in resentment rather than in seeking out therapy, etc, and trying to address the root problem, which is social anxiety, not that “stuck up bitches” won’t sleep with you. (I’m not saying that you are thinking that way; that’s just an attitude I’ve seen amongst many incels.)
Incels are people with real issues, and I don’t want to downplay that at all, but framing the issue as one of “involuntary celibacy” rather than social anxiety, depression, or whatever the root cause of their particular case is, is a self-defeating stance. One cannot cure depression by complaining about stuck-up women on internet forums.
I think I can blame Wikipedia on my identifying as “incel.” I think I was looking up tree frogs or South Korean pop stars from the 1980’s and somehow wound up at Christine Chubbock’s Wikipedia entry(It’s wikipedia. C’mon).
First, had I known you had such issues I wouldn’t have used the word ableist, or even taken the crappy approach that I did. Second, I love the site and I’m on board with the vibe. So. I hope I wasn’t too much of a jerk.
I certainly see where you’re coming from. Even if it’s not social anxiety, I am curious if any of these jerks are getting help for it. I’m pretty sure any reasonable therapist who would be working with these guys wouldn’t let this mindset fly. Maybe also figure out why the hell they’re so misogynistic.
I think couching it in terms like “involuntary celibacy” itself maybe problematic. For me, it’s less “failure to launch” and more “North Korean missile test.” It got off the ground, but, various issues outside of my own control are making it difficult to get going.
Thanks.