WTF is a MGTOW? A Glossary

On this blog, MRA does not stand for Magnetic Resonance Angiography

NOTE: This page is in desperate need of revision and expansion. In the meantime, I suggest you use Rationalwiki’s Manosphere Glossary.

For newcomers to this blog, here’s a handy guide to some of the strange acronyms and lingo you’ll encounter here and in the “manosphere” in general. (For a definition of that term, see below.) I will update this entry periodically as needed.

First, the acronyms you’ll see most often here:

MRA: Men’s Rights Activist
MRM: Men’s Rights Movement

MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way MGHOW: Man Going His Own Way.

Ok, so what do those terms mean?

MRM: The Men’s Rights Movement: A loosely defined, but largely retrograde, collection of activists and internet talkers who fight for what they see as “men’s rights.” Unlike the original Men’s Movement, which was inspired by and heavily influenced by feminism, the self-described Men’s Rights Movement is largely a reactionary movement; with few exceptions, Men’s Rights Activists (or MRAs) are pretty rabidly antifeminist, and many are frankly and sometimes proudly misogynistic. Those who oppose the MRM are generally not against men’s rights per se; they are opposed to those who’ve turned those two words into a synonym for some pretty backwards notions.

MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way: As the name suggests, MGTOW is a lot like lesbian separatism, but for straight dudes. MGTOW often talk vaguely about seeking “independence” from western and/or consumer culture, and a few MGTOW try to live that sort of zen existence. But most of those who embrace the term have a deep hostility towards and/or profound distrust of feminists and women in general. Many MGTOW refuse to date “western women” and some try to avoid women altogether.  I think the Man Going His Own Way acronym MGHOW adds another layer of confusion to an already awkward acronym, so I use MGTOWer instead.

Some other terms and acronyms you’ll run across here:

Anglosphere: Countries in which English is the primary language, or, more narrowly, those countries that used to be British colonies. They are full of evil Western Women (see below).

Incel: Involuntarily Celibate. A term, and identity, adopted by some dateless guys (as well as some women, but it’s the men we’ll focus on here). While there is nothing shameful about being dateless, or a virgin, or having a really long dry spell sexually — most of us have been there at some point — the term “involuntarily celibate” seems to suggest that the world owes incels sex, and that women who turn down incel men for dates or sex are somehow oppressing them. For those (male, straight) incels who are genuinely socially awkward or phobic, this can be a self-defeating stance that can lead to bitterness towards women. And often does.

Mangina: Derogatory term used by MRAs, MGTOW, etc. to describe guys who disagree with them — e.g., me. You can figure out the various connotations of this term yourself.

The Manosphere: The loose collection of blogs, message boards, and other sites run by and/or read by MRAs, MGTOW, and assorted friendly Pick-up Artists. The primary source of material for this blog.

NAWALT: Not All Women Are Like That. Dudes in the manosphere make so many ridiculous and untrue generalizations about women that they’ve come up with their own little acronym to describe the most common reaction to their nonsense: “not all women are like that.” Remarkably, many seem to think that making a reference to NAWALT is actually some sort of clever rebuttal of their critics.

PUA: Pick-up Artist. PUAs are obsessed with mastering what they see as the ultimate set of techniques and attitudes — known as “Game” — that will enable them to quickly seduce almost any woman they want. There is a vast literature on “game” online, though PUA (insofar as it is not complete bullshit) is at its essence simply a male version of the age-old ploy of “playing hard to get.”

Western Women: Also known as WW. Evil harpies, at least according to many in the manosphere. Contrasted with “foreign women,” a term that (in the manosphere, at least) sometimes refers to all women outside the Anglosphere, but often refers to a subset of these women from poor and/or Eastern countries, mostly Asian, who are regarded as more pliable and thus more desirable to haters of “Ameriskanks” and other WW.

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San
San
5 years ago

@Dar
“Only in a feminist world does logic and realioty not exist. Let us all live in a fantasy world in which most socities has “equality” and women were soldiers and rulers as often as men, and men stayed home to tend the children as opften as women.
That’s the version of history according to feminists.”

Sorry dude,but you really have a jelly brain,in my society,a very primitive ones actually had both men and women fight against invaders in the past,and yes there are women rulers too and men who stayed home to tend to the children..More coy stupidity from you

San
San
5 years ago

@Dar
“Means nothing. Even in non-agriculutral cultures, women are still the primary child-rearers, and women the fighters and leaders. That is so among the beduins, for example. The presence or absense of a “building called “house” makes no difference.”

Take a look at early hawaiian societies then,or minang or the akans of Ghana..Dumbass

San
San
5 years ago

@Dar

“Or has it been an egalitarian equal society whence you can draw inspiration? Which is it?”

It used to be former until some creatures like you come and screwed everything.Thank god the mosuo and the minang still maintained their system.It seems they haven’t followed the natural pattern yet.

San
San
5 years ago

“No surprise given that your whole accursed movement was heavily made up of lesbians.”

So you’re saying the MRAs is full of gays?
I’m confused I am feminist but I am not a lesbian and I am a mother too.Does that make me unnatural for not going against my natural inclination.Apparently if I am supposed to be a feminist,i can’t be a mother.But if I am a mother,I can’t be feminist.Which one is it? Lemur brain?

San
San
5 years ago

“Yes, so do humans,. It’s called abortion, which you feminists love.”

Abortion is not infanticide you dumbass.It involved foetus not infant,if it’s considered as an infanticide,then so should masturbation.
Thank god the bonobos don’t have any infanticide.Why is it so difficult for creatures like you to understand??

San
San
5 years ago

“If so, how dio THAT come about, if not from biological impreatives.”

So you’re saying that tibetan and the kinnauri polyandry comes from biological imperative as well?

San
San
5 years ago

@Dar
“As for the bonobos, again 100% irrelevant! I never claimed that women don’t enjoy sex, therefore that female bonobos have sex year-round means zilch.”

YUp,the bonobos female lack of interest in following natural inclination as submissive mate to their males is 100% irrelevant.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants

government programs and brainwashing

TIL that exposing daughters to choices and opportunities, and allowing them to choose a life path of their own free will, is “brainwashing”.

And stifling alternative beliefs and options so that women are more easily coerced into the role of homemaker with threats of social ostracism and junk biology is totally not brainwashing.

San
San
5 years ago

@Dar
“Ah yes, another feminist tactic, analogize your bullshit with racism.”

I’m just gonna ignore your previous attempt at anologize feminism vs MRAs with Democrats vs Republicans.

“I never said women were inferior. YOU, as a moron feminist thinkgs that being a woman doing womanly things is “inferior”. You want women doing man things.”

We want women doing whatever that suits them.

San
San
5 years ago

@Dar

“Anyone who suports abortion (as feminists do) can never truly love their children.”

Excuse me you IMBECILE!!!!
My mother and I support abortion,she had an abortion herself!!

Are you actually questioning whether or not she loves her children???
Fuck you

San
San
5 years ago

“A “non-binary trans person”? Bullshit! You’re either a transwoman or transman. Anything else and you’re some bisexual asshole.”

So I said BULLSHIT TO YOU!!

You’re either a closet misogynist or closet MRAs,don’t pretend to be some kind of neutral libertarian.We seen it through you!!

dhag85
5 years ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants

Yes, you’ve said it better than I could. 🙂 It’s been bugging me for a long long time, but it’s hard to describe exactly what I’m trying to get at. Thanks for that.

Wetherby
Wetherby
5 years ago

Anyone who suports abortion (as feminists do) can never truly love their children.

What absolute codswallop. The people I know who’ve had abortions, without exception, did so either because they didn’t feel ready to become mothers or because something had been discovered during the scan that would drastically impact on the child’s quality of life – which in some cases may be all but nonexistent.

How on earth is that compatible with the claim that they “can’t truly love their children”? Surely this suggests the exact opposite?

My wife could hardly be more pro-choice (if there’s a pro-choice rally within a couple of hundred miles of where we live, the chances are she’ll be on it), and anyone who claims with a straight face that because of this she can’t truly love our children is worth taking about as seriously as someone who claims that the world is flat and the moon is made of green cheese. Because the evidence to the contrary in all three cases is overwhelming.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Oh looky, a bog-standard right-wing troll!

Anyone who suports abortion (as feminists do) can never truly love their children.

Bullshit. My aunt had an abortion because she developed rubella during her second pregnancy and the fetus was severely deformed. She terminated that pregnancy in the second trimester not because she hated her child, but because she loved it and couldn’t bear to inflict catastrophic disabilities upon it. And because she already had one child, and couldn’t bear to deprive her existing daughter of care. A severely disabled infant would have made family life rough, if not impossible, for all her family.

You naturalistic fallacy spouters really need to get an education. You know nothing about life OR love.

Bina
Bina
5 years ago

Again that feminist propaganda word “submissive”.

There is NO need to enforce these, because most women want that role naturally. Which is why YOU feminist need to engage in such massive brain-washing and propaganda and government-programs to get them to do otherwise.

Actually, dipshit, I have NEVER “naturally” wanted to submit. And I don’t gravitate “naturally” to your set-in-stone gender roles. So you can just fuck right off, Durrrrrr.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@Dan Urdangarin

I’m late to the party, Dan (you posted on August 6), but I did click through on your link. I see that you promise “Gorilla Like Sex Drive” and “Raw Masculine Power.”

Hmm. Wouldn’t my own sex drive do?

And this raw masculine power you speak of–I prefer my own raw feminine power. But thanks for the offer. I understand that the information is free, and all I need to do is provide you with my email address. No chance that you’d be sending me all kinds of unwanted spam if I give you my email address, right?

Here’s your argument in your post (I’ve added my thoughts in all caps):

If a man is all sweet and caring and gives and provides everything to his lady, chances are she’s gonna go and [WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. YOU’RE ABOUT TO STEP INTO THE SWAMP OF ILLOGIC.]fuck the first guy who treats her like shit and she’ll love him for that. That is a little more complicated,[OK, YOU IGNORED MY WARNING. “COMPLICATED’ HARDLY BEGINS TO DESCRIBE THE MUCK YOU’RE IN.] but think at it like this … [OK, LET’S SEE IF YOU CAN PULL YOURSELF OUT OF THIS SWAMP OF TOXIC SELF-INDULGENT THOUGHT PROCESSES.]if you get a chubby[WHAT’S CHUBBY GOT TO DO WITH IT?] girl to give you a candy everyday after class or work, and she hangs around you and tells you how much she has thought of you and loves you …[SHE SOUNDS REALLY NICE.] you would avoid her like a yeast infection.[NO, I WOULDN’T. SHE SOUNDS NICE.] Yes you would.[AGAIN, NO, I WOULDN’T.]

So, Dan, you’re saying, To get sex, be mean. Don’t be sweet. Don’t be caring. Don’t give and provide everything to your lady.

Citation needed.

Probably you’re saying to yourself, Well, of course she’d say that. She’s a woman. My product is for men! (Men who’d like to treat women badly and just need the textbook to tell them how.)

Dude, you’re on a website read by lots of women and a few men.

sunnysombrera
5 years ago

Dude, you’re on a website read by lots of women and a few men.

More than a few, I think. It seems like a good dozen of the regulars/semi-regulars are fellas.

katz
katz
5 years ago

There is NO need to enforce these, because most women want that role naturally. Which is why YOU feminist need to engage in such massive brain-washing and propaganda and government-programs to get them to do otherwise.

Which is why you’ve been spending days adamantly defending those roles.

How did all this societal degeneration you’re so worried about come to be if everyone naturally gravitates to their “correct” roles?
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If your position is actually “a tiny minority of the population overtook the government and orchestrated a massive brainwashing campaign that successfully overrode the natural instincts of the vast majority and no one was able to stop them,” then you might as well admit that we have the more successful evolutionary strategy and that your kind is on the rocks, O biological determinist.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@sunnysombrera

Dude, you’re on a website read by lots of women and a few men.

More than a few, I think. It seems like a good dozen of the regulars/semi-regulars are fellas.

You’re right. My wording was imprecise. I think that I’ve fixed more than one problem with my revsion.

Rewording:
Probably you’re saying to yourself, Well, of course she’d say that. She’s a woman. My product is for men! (Men who’d like to treat women badly and just need the textbook to tell them how.)

Dude, you’re on a website–read by people of various genders and sexual orientations–that mocks a person who would treat others like objects to be used for that person’s gratification.

Kat
Kat
5 years ago

@katz

If your position is actually “a tiny minority of the population overtook the government and orchestrated a massive brainwashing campaign that successfully overrode the natural instincts of the vast majority and no one was able to stop them,” then you might as well admit that we have the more successful evolutionary strategy and that your kind is on the rocks, O biological determinist.

Yes! We iz teh WINNERZ!

katz
katz
5 years ago

Yes! We iz teh WINNERZ!

Homo superior.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

I was gonna snark, but apparently just some bisexual asshole. I’ll see myself out then!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Thank you Scented Fucking Hard Chairs, Paradoxical Intention, San!

As for letting the religious façade slide, this is the exact moment:

“I say men are generally taller than women, I don’t need a God-damned citation, it is YOU who challenge such an assetion who needs a citation.”

Not only has our new friend turned as swear happy as I am, but he took the lords name in vain. (Yes, I’m serious. My mother lets me drop f bombs left and right, that one gets that glare that only parents can give.)

Katz — 1) I love that biologically incorrect raptor, even if it lacks feathers, 2) I think that actually is the correct Latin, because Latin is weird. Mostly I love the raptor though (inb4 “see! Queers love animals!”)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Yeah, of course I remember wtf I was forgetting as soon as I hit send >.<

Somebody up there used the nice general singular "they" for me and I wanted to note that I use ze/zir (they is fine, just a footnote to my last post!)

Zeb Berryman
Zeb Berryman
5 years ago

Dar: Since Katz sand many others have already eloquently deconstructed the Biological determinism argument lets talk about the exceptions that proves the rule. Firstly that’s a lot of exceptions to the rule. I only brought up three examples but there are many more.

Secondly Your the one who brought up older societies views being superior in the first place. By your own logic we could easily say that homosexuality is the natural state of humanity and its only because of years of mass brainwashing that people are now opposed to it. Now obviously I don’t believe all people are bisexual, but you certainly haven’t given any proof that heterosexuality is some kind of natural state. Evan your counterexample is a natural state. You admit that it can happen in nature therefore it is natural.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

I’m just honestly waiting for him to come back to defend his Freudian slip.

Even in non-agriculutral cultures, women are still the primary child-rearers, and women the fighters and leaders.

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Argenti Aertheri | September 27, 2015 at 7:44 pm
Somebody up there used the nice general singular “they” for me and I wanted to note that I use ze/zir (they is fine, just a footnote to my last post!)

That was me, I think.

Thanks for the correction! It might take me a while to internalize it, but I’ll do my best to remember, and feel free to call me out again if I mess up! :3

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

Aw, no worries, they is always a good fallback!

katz
katz
5 years ago

Also, ARGENTI’S BACK!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

*glomps Katz* hi Katz!

So I was honestly for realz gonna read that link our ever so wise visitor deigned to share with us on transphobia in feminism. And then I saw everyone’s favorite asshole — Brennan. So now I have to read it, because fuck her. But if he thinks anything siding with her represents all of feminism… well, pull the other one, it has bells on it.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
5 years ago

So that was actually an interesting read. Kinda 101/201 stuff, but hey, a radfem saying TERfs are hurting their own cause? Always refreshing.

In other words, Dar didn’t read his link. Cuz he wouldn’t have tried to claim I didn’t know about feminism’s transphobia by linking an article ending with:

Transphobia comes from a minority of women in the feminist community but unfortunately it’s a rather noisy minority. Their hatred does not have any place in our struggle.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

So, I know being a feeble woman I’m not very good with science. But all the same, I enjoyed the super lunar eclipse tonight. Maybe it’s just because red is pretty and pleases my artistic lady brain. Did anyone else check it out?

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

@WWTH
My father told me about it, but the rain didn’t let us see it here 🙁

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@WWTH

I would have loved I too IF THERE WEREN’T FUCKING CLOUDS

FUCKING CLOUDS

IN THE SKY

FUCK YOU TOO SKY
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FUCK ALL OF YOU

RosaDeLava
RosaDeLava
5 years ago

@Pandapool
You have sumrised my feelings perfectly.

katz
katz
5 years ago

Lots of people, tonight.
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Catalpa
Catalpa
5 years ago

@Dar

You know what I meant, and so does every damned human o this planet. You might as well bitch about how unscientific the phrase”rock hard” is.

Ah, so you are indeed operating only on the faulty logic of things that “everyone” knows and ignoring the actual facts that have been determined by people who actually know what the fuck they are talking about. Just like you are with male and female roles in society. I suspected as such, but thank you for confirming.

I’m bored now, this troll only has two talking points.

weirwoodtreehugger
5 years ago

For days and days it was all rain all the time in the Twin Cities, but somehow the skies were cloud free all day and night today. I’m sorry it was all cloudy so many other places tonight 🙁

Paradoxical Intention
5 years ago

Eh, it was clear here, but I think I missed it because I wasn’t sure what time it was supposed to be. ; n ;

EJ (The Other One)
EJ (The Other One)
5 years ago

@WWTH:

For days and days it was all rain all the time in the Twin Cities, but somehow the skies were cloud free all day and night today.

Was PZ Myers observed on a rooftop, cackling with laughter whilst assembling some ominous looking device? If so, that could explain it.

Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
Pandapool -- The Species that Endangers YOU (aka Banana Jackie Cake, for those who still want to call me "Banana", "Jackie" or whatever)
5 years ago

@WWTH
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Dar
Dar
5 years ago

Ah, I see how this works. You asswipes are just going to spam me to death. Instead of replying in one

full post each, you’re going to reply one-line-per-post, right?

Fuck you all, 130 replies and still nothing but feminist bullshit.

Dar
Dar
5 years ago

weirwoodtreehugger:
“Actually, traditionally medicine was women’s work.”

Bullshit. Galen was a woman? Avicenna too?

—-

“I also think it’s funny that Dar only counts work as work when men are doing that work.”

YOu think men were breast-feeding the babies while the women plowed the fields!?

—-

“So, I know being a feeble woman I’m not very good with science. But all the same, I enjoyed the super

lunar eclipse tonight. Maybe it’s just because red is pretty and pleases my artistic lady brain. Did

anyone else check it out?”

No, but it means that on average you are less interest in science than men.

Dar
Dar
5 years ago

RosaDeLava:
“@Dar
You assume all feminists are atheists; You assume most feminists are jewish (you anti-semitic

scumbag); You assume feminists think men who are attracted to non-feminist women have been

brainwashed; You assume feminists are against motherhood.”

-Yes, the real ones.
-Many of the major ones, yes. Oh, also most Jews are not semitic, so there goes that accusation.
-Never asserted such a thing. Feminists hate men, period.
-Yes, because they see motherhood as oppression and taking women aay from their “rightful job” of

being just like the men.

—-

“And yet, you’re upset when we assume you’re a MRA.”

Because I’m not. because I don’t believe in “gender equality”, so am neither feminist nor MRA. You

both do, ecept you whine about how the system/history is/was unfair to your sex only.

MRA’s are against traditional roles, and for abortion. Check out “JudgyBitch”, who is openly for

abortion even after happily admitting it’s murder.

—-

“You know nothing of history, you know nothing of science, you know nothing of anthropology, you know

nothing of reasoning, and you know nothing of consistency – and you should stop acting like you do.”

None of your vermin have yet to disprove anything I wrot,e because you can’t disprove history or what

our own eyes show.

Go ahead, disprove to me the assertion that men are generally bigger and stronger than women.

Afterall, isn’t that a “sexist” thing to write?

Ofcourse, I wouldn;t be surprised if your idea of “disproof” is some female body-builder.

Dar
Dar
5 years ago

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs:

“Can I just point out that this tiny paragraph shows us four different things:

1. A classic example of a right-wing reactionary misappropriating SJ language because they flat-out

don’t understand that these are real words with real meanings. ABRA KADABRA it ain’t, bro.”

I don’t know what you’re talking about. More circle-jerking language?

And who told you I was right-wing? Woudl a right-winger condemn war?

But to idiots like you, there can only ever be “left wing” and “right wing”, and everyone must fall

within them. Such is the limit of your world-view.

And I wish you assholes would actually writ the quote you’re replying to.

—-

“2. A fundamental misunderstanding of LGBT+ stuff. Sexual orientation and gender identity are not the

same thing. Not even close.”

A-I do know the difference, which is why this “non-binary” line is bullshit. We are male or female.

Genetic men or genetic women. Transmen or transwomen. Everything else is bullshit.

B-LGBT is a bullshit term. YOu accuse me of mixing sexual orientation and identity, yet that acronym

does exactly that, mising transpeople with those of sexual orientation identities.

—-

“4. And finally, my favourite and the reason why I decided to make this post, the accidental shedding

of the “Religious” facade. A fundamentalist Christian would have complemented #2 with an angry slur-

dripping rant about ‘NOT NATURAL. DON’T REAL.’ Dude’s just a stock-standard MRA who’s even more

ashamed to admit it than most.”

Again, more moronic limited world-view. You assume I am MRA, conservative, religious, etc…, because in your limited insane asylum brain, you can’t comprehend anyone disagreeing with you with being “MRA/conservative/right-wing/religious/etc…”.

Not my problem you’re an idiot.

Dar
Dar
5 years ago

dhag85:
“Lol. Yeah, dude, I spotted your contradiction the first time. That was the entire point of my reply.

Did you even read it? You claim that behavior X is “natural” for women, yet at the same time you think

they need to be coerced into acting in accordance with their natural behavior. That’s a perfect

contradiction. You’re hilarious.”

More straw-man bullshit. It IS natural, and no one needs to be forced into it. Women and men naturally gravitated towards that manner of behavious. You might as well bitch that we need to be “forced” into being attratced to the opposite sex.

You keep repeating the same line despite my refuting it, simply because it makes you feel better, AND because you’re a dishonest asshole.

Dar
Dar
5 years ago

Paradoxical Intention:
“I actually did read it, but I wasn’t trying to make the point that this was common, only that it’s

natural, as it occurs in nature, which is what your argument is hinging on. You said it’s “natural”

for women to want to be mothers and homemakers, because something something nature, so I presented to

you an example in which that’s not true.”

No, that’s irrelevant. Ants live in a manner different than us, are you going to cite them too?

It IS natural, for the bonobo, just as it is natural for us.

Hwo did the scientists olearn about the bonobo? By observing them and the pattern of social

bnehavious. Do the same with humans and you get the idea that mern and women are different and

fullfill different roles.

—-

“If I were to say “The sky is green”, it would be my job to provide a citation on that (in general, it

would be polite to do so without having to be asked). However, someone can post an opposing citation

to prove me wrong, but that’s optional.”

YES EXACTLY! And YOU ARE claiming the sky is green. Feminist is a claim that the sky is green. It is a claim that how we’ve lives and behaved for all our history was “oppression” and “patriarchy” and a grand conspiracy to keep women down, and that there is no difference bwteen men and women abnd that both were meant to do the exact same thing. Regardless of what history, science, and basic human observation and common sense, tells them.

THAT is claiming the sky is green

—-

“Wow, not only do you assume you know more about Argenti than Argenti does in terms of their gender,

you’re apparently biphobic and transphobic as well!”

“biphobic”? More made-up bullshit terms.

—-

“Oooh, moral proselytizing with nothing to back it up! Smells like Bible Thumping! Shan’t work on me though, I’m pagan and don’t give a fuck about your particular morality being shackled to your religion, and I give more of a fuck about the health and safety of already born people than I do the unborn.”

Oh, because ONLY Christian fundementalists are opposed to abortion, right worm?

—-

“I think this is my favorite bit out of all that nonsense though. Freudian slip, maybe?”

Oh I see, this is the game we’re going to play? I tell you what, you try to repsond to FIFTY messages in a row without misstyping, asshole.

What next, refute me for bad spelling?

Dar
Dar
5 years ago

San:
“@DAr

Natural instinct?!.

Boy my mom & Dad must be the freak of nature cause it was my dad who cooks most of the time while my mom went to work.P.S: they’re not atheists but buddhist”

Exceptions. most do not live that way.

Besides, hwo do you know they are doing this by choice? Better yet, you think that’s how they would have lives a 100 years ago before feminist brainwashing?

—-

“@Dar

Yet this guy claimed to be an observer of democrats and republicans similiarities but he sounds like a republicans.”

So only repuiblicans are against atheism?

And IF I was a republican, why would I group them with democrats?

Like your circle-jerking buddy above, you assume there are only democrats and republicans/ liberals and conservatives, and ALL must fall within those two camps.

—-

“@Dar
Take a look at early hawaiian societies then,or minang or the akans of Ghana..Dumbass”

I love that you can only cite a couple of so, while ignoring that remaining 99.99% of humanity.

So what, the beduins aren’t good enough for you, asshole?

—-

“Sorry dude,but you really have a jelly brain,in my society,a very primitive ones actually had both men and women fight against invaders in the past,and yes there are women rulers too and men who stayed home to tend to the children..More coy stupidity from you”

Oh really? I don’t recall 19th century Americans fighting Apache men AND women on horseback.

I don’t rceall half the Roman legions being women.

You lose, you shit-for-brain feminist idiot.

Also, no way in HELL would any sane society allow women to fight equally with men, because that is ruination for a tribe’s survival when women die in large numbers. Again, the beduins do’t. But I guess they’re not good enough for you. Not obscure enough to bullshit with, huh?

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“Well,I guess men from my earlier generations can’t considered as doing real work then because most of them had worked on the farm or home,in which case YOUR CASE more coy stupidity from you..”

Doesn’t matter, men still did the heavy work, and were called up for war, and women tended the children.

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“It used to be former until some creatures like you come and screwed everything.Thank god the mosuo and the minang still maintained their system.It seems they haven’t followed the natural pattern yet.”

WHO “screwed everything up”? The mythical grand “Patriarchy” conspiracy?

Please tell me wow the men from sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East, Eruope, south Asia, east Asia, Australia, and north and south America, ALL got together a long time ago and conspired to “oppress” women. Please tell me how THAT worked.

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“We want women doing whatever that suits them.”

Bullshit! Because otherwise why the mass propaganda to get women to be like men. Why “encourage girls” to go into sports and science and so on? Why not let them choose freely?

Because if allowed a free choice, they DON’T want science or sports (as much as the boys), so you want to brainwash them.

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“So you’re saying that tibetan and the kinnauri polyandry comes from biological imperative as well?”

Oh yes here ios the very core of feminism logic: minor tiny obscure examples, as compared to the COUNTLESS opposing examples.

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“Abortion is not infanticide you dumbass.It involved foetus not infant,if it’s considered as an infanticide,then so should masturbation.”

It’s you who is a vile moron that you’d equate a sperm cell with a baby inside a mother.

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“I’m confused I am feminist but I am not a lesbian and I am a mother too.Does that make me unnatural for not going against my natural inclination.Apparently if I am supposed to be a feminist,i can’t be a mother.But if I am a mother,I can’t be feminist.Which one is it? Lemur brain?”

Your movement was heavily lesbian, which explains its anti-man, anti-family, anti-marriage, pro- abortion stances.

And no, you can never be a good mother while being a feminist, vecause then you’ll always hate your children when they (gasp!) act in typical natural fashion, boys agressively with trucks and guns, and girls more quietly with dolls.

You probably force your sons to play with dolls and wear dresses, and vice-versa for the girls.

Why not? Don’t you want “equality”?

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“Excuse me you IMBECILE!!!!
My mother and I support abortion,she had an abortion herself!!

Are you actually questioning whether or not she loves her children???
Fuck you”

No, your mother can never truly love you BECAUSE had things been slightly different SHE’D HAVE ABORTED YOU, YOU MORON!

You would not exist if she for whatever stupid reason decided to end her pregnancy. YOUR life was worth shit to her.

It’s like if your mother smoked and did pot during your pregnancy. what would that tell you about how she felt about you?

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“You’re either a closet misogynist or closet MRAs,don’t pretend to be some kind of neutral libertarian.We seen it through you!!”

IF I was a misogynist, I’d SUPPORT feminism because it is destroying womehood and feminity and turning women into men.

IF I was an MRA I’d suppoert feminism because it agree with me in hating traditional roles.

And I am NOT a libertarian.

Dar
Dar
5 years ago

Buttercup Q. Skullpants:
“TIL that exposing daughters to choices and opportunities, and allowing them to choose a life path of their own free will, is ‘brainwashing’.

And stifling alternative beliefs and options so that women are more easily coerced into the role of homemaker with threats of social ostracism and junk biology is totally not brainwashing.”

No one is “stiffling” or hiding anythijng. You think somehown women didn’t know abot the outside world and jobs until feminism came along?

Ther was NO brainwashing of women to stay with the children or men to go to war, it was just the natural instincts. It is feminism that rbainwashes them to go against those instincts.

Dar
Dar
5 years ago

Wetherby:
“What absolute codswallop. The people I know who’ve had abortions, without exception, did so either because they didn’t feel ready to become mothers or because something had been discovered during the scan that would drastically impact on the child’s quality of life – which in some cases may be all but nonexistent.

How on earth is that compatible with the claim that they “can’t truly love their children”? Surely this suggests the exact opposite?

My wife could hardly be more pro-choice (if there’s a pro-choice rally within a couple of hundred miles of where we live, the chances are she’ll be on it), and anyone who claims with a straight face that because of this she can’t truly love our children is worth taking about as seriously as someone who claims that the world is flat and the moon is made of green cheese. Because the evidence to the contrary in all three cases is overwhelming.”

Weren’t ready to be mothers? So that makes it okay to kill the child?

As for your wife, yes your wife, like any pro-abortion woman, can never truly love her children BECAUSE HAD THINGS GONE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY SHE’D HAVE KILLED THEM! Then where would your “children” be?
Evbery damned time you look at your children,you should be aware that those children would not exist if your wife had just decided “Nah, I don’t feel like having a child right now”.

Here, only a very tiny minority of women have abortions for medical and other “serious” reasons, most are just as birth control or money:
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html