NOTE: This page is in desperate need of revision and expansion. In the meantime, I suggest you use Rationalwiki’s Manosphere Glossary.
For newcomers to this blog, here’s a handy guide to some of the strange acronyms and lingo you’ll encounter here and in the “manosphere” in general. (For a definition of that term, see below.) I will update this entry periodically as needed.
First, the acronyms you’ll see most often here:
MRA: Men’s Rights Activist
MRM: Men’s Rights Movement
MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way MGHOW: Man Going His Own Way.
Ok, so what do those terms mean?
MRM: The Men’s Rights Movement: A loosely defined, but largely retrograde, collection of activists and internet talkers who fight for what they see as “men’s rights.” Unlike the original Men’s Movement, which was inspired by and heavily influenced by feminism, the self-described Men’s Rights Movement is largely a reactionary movement; with few exceptions, Men’s Rights Activists (or MRAs) are pretty rabidly antifeminist, and many are frankly and sometimes proudly misogynistic. Those who oppose the MRM are generally not against men’s rights per se; they are opposed to those who’ve turned those two words into a synonym for some pretty backwards notions.
MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way: As the name suggests, MGTOW is a lot like lesbian separatism, but for straight dudes. MGTOW often talk vaguely about seeking “independence” from western and/or consumer culture, and a few MGTOW try to live that sort of zen existence. But most of those who embrace the term have a deep hostility towards and/or profound distrust of feminists and women in general. Many MGTOW refuse to date “western women” and some try to avoid women altogether. I think the Man Going His Own Way acronym MGHOW adds another layer of confusion to an already awkward acronym, so I use MGTOWer instead.
Some other terms and acronyms you’ll run across here:
Anglosphere: Countries in which English is the primary language, or, more narrowly, those countries that used to be British colonies. They are full of evil Western Women (see below).
Incel: Involuntarily Celibate. A term, and identity, adopted by some dateless guys (as well as some women, but it’s the men we’ll focus on here). While there is nothing shameful about being dateless, or a virgin, or having a really long dry spell sexually — most of us have been there at some point — the term “involuntarily celibate” seems to suggest that the world owes incels sex, and that women who turn down incel men for dates or sex are somehow oppressing them. For those (male, straight) incels who are genuinely socially awkward or phobic, this can be a self-defeating stance that can lead to bitterness towards women. And often does.
Mangina: Derogatory term used by MRAs, MGTOW, etc. to describe guys who disagree with them — e.g., me. You can figure out the various connotations of this term yourself.
The Manosphere: The loose collection of blogs, message boards, and other sites run by and/or read by MRAs, MGTOW, and assorted friendly Pick-up Artists. The primary source of material for this blog.
NAWALT: Not All Women Are Like That. Dudes in the manosphere make so many ridiculous and untrue generalizations about women that they’ve come up with their own little acronym to describe the most common reaction to their nonsense: “not all women are like that.” Remarkably, many seem to think that making a reference to NAWALT is actually some sort of clever rebuttal of their critics.
PUA: Pick-up Artist. PUAs are obsessed with mastering what they see as the ultimate set of techniques and attitudes — known as “Game” — that will enable them to quickly seduce almost any woman they want. There is a vast literature on “game” online, though PUA (insofar as it is not complete bullshit) is at its essence simply a male version of the age-old ploy of “playing hard to get.”
Western Women: Also known as WW. Evil harpies, at least according to many in the manosphere. Contrasted with “foreign women,” a term that (in the manosphere, at least) sometimes refers to all women outside the Anglosphere, but often refers to a subset of these women from poor and/or Eastern countries, mostly Asian, who are regarded as more pliable and thus more desirable to haters of “Ameriskanks” and other WW.
Here we have another exampled of “Greater Good” piping up right after a visit from Good. I know it’s in a different thread but still . . .
You’re assuming that we haven’t visited AVFM. We have. And it’s bigoted and full of shit.
“On second thought, let’s not go to Manboobz. Tis a silly place.”
Auggziliary, I think you have to denounce feminism somewhere in your question in order for it to count as a “sensible” question.
That is legitimately terrible. Ugh x 2.
“Here we have another exampled of “Greater Good” piping up right after a visit from Good. I know it’s in a different thread but still . . .”
I share your side eye.
Also…
1) we aren’t all women
2) we sure as shit don’t need fools like you educating us
Have visited AVFM and found it very immature, frothingly outraged and overall quite repellant. If that’s them at their most grown up the “MHRA” has a serious problem.
This is a humor and mockery site. Theirs is dead serious, yet there’s often a lot more immaturity there, plus a sneering sort of humor derived from rage. Honestly, the first time I looked at that site I was absolutely shocked by how nasty and childish it all was. And I only recently checked out the MGTOW Forums…holy crap, it’s like Stormfront in there.
Loathing entire classes of people is immature almost by definition.
I sure hope this place never grows up!*
*I’m not sure if “grown up” in the context of Andi’s comment means “no silly jokes and mockery and fun” or “virulently misogynistic” but either way.
They can’t even name one who’s moderate.
The only people I’ve seen who come close to being moderate MRAs are Toy Soldier and his buddy Tamen (only because I haven’t seen them show any sexism, racism, cissexism, etc.), but those two are fucking awful as well because of their blatantly disingenuous manner of argumentation. So yeah, I’m pretty cynical.
Neither GWW or Farrell are moderate in any sense of the word.
Taking things terribly, terribly seriously is not a sign of being grown up. Take comics… I love comics, I’m not fanatical, but I like to read them often enough for it to be a descriptor of who I am. So there’s this one Batman comic where the Joker cuts his own face off, then staples it back on, and it’s all gritty, and mature, and grown up, and trying way, way too hard to take itself seriously. It’s trying to be mature with “mature content,” without bothering to include any mature themes. It’s Bambi, except you get to see Bambi’s mother get ripped to shreds by dogs, just ’cause it makes it a grown up cartoon.
The “men’s rights” movement has the maturity of a child, desperate to be taken seriously. It’s m-rated, but it’s not mature.
I remember the commenter here who said if we just read Warren Farrell we would totally become MRAs . . .
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Great poster, though, Athywren.
That is a stellar PSA against female on male rape. The sort of thing an actual men’s rights movement should be all over.
Well you know what they say? “Even a stopped, mangled, twisted and broken clock is right once a millennium.”
Ally – oh geez no, Toy Soldier’s just as misogynistic and foul as the rest of them. Nothing remotely moderate or reasonable about him.
Actually To Soldier is one of the worst, because he’s smart enough to be manipulative in a more effective way than, say, Fidelbogen or Christoper Who’s Afraid of Bodies can manage.
“Christoper Who’s Afraid of Bodies” LOL.
I really wish he’d have to sit through Python’s Medical Love Song. His tiny head would explode.
Seems to me most of you have very closed minds.
Shouting herd “truth” doesn’t make you a thinker.
All I was pointing out was that, having visited avfm, it is obviously more reasoned and there is more grown-up debate and discussion on the forum.
The avfm people say that you are scared to debate with them because you can’t, you just make a lot of noise.
Your reaction to my comment indicates that they are right.
You seem to indulge in a lot of convoluted mental gymnastics to try and give intellectual weight to a position that is actually emotional, not intellectual. As an outsider I can’t help but conclude that there is some sort of group delusion thing going on here.
If you have ever examined how cults work you will recognise this in an instant.
You are just making intellectual noise to re-affirm an emotional position that isn’t very convincing, you aren’t thinking or debating.
It isn’t about winning an argument, it’s about learning, developing and seeking human truth.
I am not a MRA or a feminist and I will take what truth I can get from either group.
Having looked for truth in both places, my conclusion is that you don’t have a lot to offer.
ps
Kudos to the manboobz guy for allowing critical comment. This is a big indicator.
Is it the shortage of oxygen on such a high intellectual plane that makes Andi babble so?
Welp, that’s it. He’s an outsider and he told us we’re a cult. Better go prepare for the ritual sacrifice.