NOTE: This page is in desperate need of revision and expansion. In the meantime, I suggest you use Rationalwiki’s Manosphere Glossary.
For newcomers to this blog, here’s a handy guide to some of the strange acronyms and lingo you’ll encounter here and in the “manosphere” in general. (For a definition of that term, see below.) I will update this entry periodically as needed.
First, the acronyms you’ll see most often here:
MRA: Men’s Rights Activist
MRM: Men’s Rights Movement
MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way MGHOW: Man Going His Own Way.
Ok, so what do those terms mean?
MRM: The Men’s Rights Movement: A loosely defined, but largely retrograde, collection of activists and internet talkers who fight for what they see as “men’s rights.” Unlike the original Men’s Movement, which was inspired by and heavily influenced by feminism, the self-described Men’s Rights Movement is largely a reactionary movement; with few exceptions, Men’s Rights Activists (or MRAs) are pretty rabidly antifeminist, and many are frankly and sometimes proudly misogynistic. Those who oppose the MRM are generally not against men’s rights per se; they are opposed to those who’ve turned those two words into a synonym for some pretty backwards notions.
MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way: As the name suggests, MGTOW is a lot like lesbian separatism, but for straight dudes. MGTOW often talk vaguely about seeking “independence” from western and/or consumer culture, and a few MGTOW try to live that sort of zen existence. But most of those who embrace the term have a deep hostility towards and/or profound distrust of feminists and women in general. Many MGTOW refuse to date “western women” and some try to avoid women altogether. I think the Man Going His Own Way acronym MGHOW adds another layer of confusion to an already awkward acronym, so I use MGTOWer instead.
Some other terms and acronyms you’ll run across here:
Anglosphere: Countries in which English is the primary language, or, more narrowly, those countries that used to be British colonies. They are full of evil Western Women (see below).
Incel: Involuntarily Celibate. A term, and identity, adopted by some dateless guys (as well as some women, but it’s the men we’ll focus on here). While there is nothing shameful about being dateless, or a virgin, or having a really long dry spell sexually — most of us have been there at some point — the term “involuntarily celibate” seems to suggest that the world owes incels sex, and that women who turn down incel men for dates or sex are somehow oppressing them. For those (male, straight) incels who are genuinely socially awkward or phobic, this can be a self-defeating stance that can lead to bitterness towards women. And often does.
Mangina: Derogatory term used by MRAs, MGTOW, etc. to describe guys who disagree with them — e.g., me. You can figure out the various connotations of this term yourself.
The Manosphere: The loose collection of blogs, message boards, and other sites run by and/or read by MRAs, MGTOW, and assorted friendly Pick-up Artists. The primary source of material for this blog.
NAWALT: Not All Women Are Like That. Dudes in the manosphere make so many ridiculous and untrue generalizations about women that they’ve come up with their own little acronym to describe the most common reaction to their nonsense: “not all women are like that.” Remarkably, many seem to think that making a reference to NAWALT is actually some sort of clever rebuttal of their critics.
PUA: Pick-up Artist. PUAs are obsessed with mastering what they see as the ultimate set of techniques and attitudes — known as “Game” — that will enable them to quickly seduce almost any woman they want. There is a vast literature on “game” online, though PUA (insofar as it is not complete bullshit) is at its essence simply a male version of the age-old ploy of “playing hard to get.”
Western Women: Also known as WW. Evil harpies, at least according to many in the manosphere. Contrasted with “foreign women,” a term that (in the manosphere, at least) sometimes refers to all women outside the Anglosphere, but often refers to a subset of these women from poor and/or Eastern countries, mostly Asian, who are regarded as more pliable and thus more desirable to haters of “Ameriskanks” and other WW.
c’mon everybody he’s just consuuuuuuuuuuuurnd
Is it “No U” appreciation day for the trolls or something?
No, nitwit. Those folks are a lost cause to be mocked. Kinda like YOU.
@Precum – I do not care about MGTOW, i barely even looked into it before I was directed to this site by commenters at an MGTOW site when I posed a comment looking for objectivity, they told me to come here and look for objectivity on the other side of the fence. the Manosphere is using sites like this (and tbh feminists in general) to strengthen their ideology. as they know how you react to uneducated people who even for a moment questions feminism or people who touch the periphery of the Manosphere.
“No, nitwit. Those folks are a lost cause to be mocked. Kinda like YOU” – that validates pretty much everything I’ve said nicely, thanks.
me being here is fueling the fire of you people, you are fueling the fire of misogynists, I am indirectly fueling the fire that indirectly fuels the fire of misogyny…fire
Flump, you come in here being an asshole, insulting the commentariat, mansplaining your ridiculous notions, and being a homophobic tool, and you complain about “objectivity”? Zark off, you fool.
Flump, I am disappoint: you were supposed to keep the insults to a level higher than Middle School.†
I do not care about MGTOW, i barely even looked into it before I was directed to this site by commenters at an MGTOW site when I posed a comment looking for objectivity, they told me to come here and look for objectivity on the other side of the fence. the Manosphere is using sites like this (and tbh feminists in general) to strengthen their ideology. as they know how you react to uneducated people who even for a moment questions feminism or people who touch the periphery of the Manosphere.
So… because we aren’t being nice enough to the MGTOWs (and why were you there?) they are upset, and telling people how bad we are? So we ought to stop telling people how bad they are, so they won’t be upset.
Gee… you know if we don’t tell racists that being racist is unacceptable, the we won’t have crap like Mel Gibson’s epic meltdown about Jews (and women, don’t forget he abused a cop for being in uniform while owning tits).
Because ignoring a problem always makes it go away, right?
Because I can tell you, the only time the Manosphere will stop “using feminists” is if either Feminism, or the Manosphere is gone. And if you expect me to believe an MGTOW forum told you to come here for the other side of the story… pull the other one, it’s got bells on it.
Because this, you disingenuous lackwit, isn’t about, “the undeducated”. The consistent target of our ire is the people writing the posts. The flagbearers of the MRM. Inconsequential dolts like you get a ration of shit too, but not because we hate you; because you waltz in and ask for it; posing as someone who is down on everything (that whole thing about, “it’s called misanthropy”: the mask has slipped a bit from that; as I said, Poser) and then only cares that we aren’t being fair to the poor beleaguered menz.
Cry me a river.
† Precum? really? You couldn’t be arsed to be half-assed clever. Precum means someone (ideally two people) are having a good time. It’s weaksauce. Are you feeling put upon? Is that why you’re acting out?
Flump: Are you in favor of misogyny?
From all the available evidence, I must say you are.
me being here is fueling the fire of you people, you are fueling the fire of misogynists, I am indirectly fueling the fire that indirectly fuels the fire of misogyny…fire
If you really think our mockery of your stupidity is fueling the fires of misogyny, and you persist in coming here to be mocked, the only, reasonable, conclusion is your concern that we are “doing it wrong” is a sham, and a lie.
It’s ok (we won’t think any less of you) but it’s not the first time we’ve had such people here; heck, we have one on the, “might white” thread even now.
I missed all the fun!! He called pecunium “frothing and angry”. And no, just no. Only angry I’ve ever seen pecunium is righteous indignation, and oh boy does the likes of flump not ever register as worthy of that (PRISM? This BS about having to specifically invoke the 5th amendment to have a right to silence? Yep. An annoying little troll? You’re less important than a mosquito.)
And I don’t want to see pecunium frothing angry. I suspect that’d be terrifying. (Anyone remember when I lost my shit at Joe? I suspect he’d be worse, and still just as witty.)
In other words, oh pesky lump on a log, you have no idea wtf you’re talking about.
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Pecunium — talacaris seems to have given up trolling and has been acting like he has useful shit to say and, amazingly, had some actually funny comments. He’s a shitty troll, but has been stepping up his game at being a decent commenter. So yeah, flump doesn’t even manage to compare to him.
And “precum”…your presence probably means people are having a good time? Yep, it’s a fitting, albeit crass, nickname. I like Sir Pecunium better though. (Flump, you do not want to be on the receiving end of how he got knighted. But no worries, you aren’t worthy of it anyways.)
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What in the name of all things holy, silly, and absurd is with the glossary trolls?!
And why are people yelling and slamming doors at 7:30 in the fucking morning? On a Saturday no less!
Pectoralis: See that you are talking about ME again. How nice. I won’t give out any secret notes.
BTW, has the theory that P. Elam & D. Futrelle are the same person been conclusively rejected?
Oh Talacaris: Still with the attempts to violate my boundaries. You really want to be compared to Flumpy?
BTW, has the theory that you lick cane toads when you can’t get LSD been conclusively disproven?
Talacaris! Really? I’d just said you’d been acting like a decent person lately!
The theory in more specifics is that D. Futrelle is an SPACE ALIEN GREY ILLUMINATI LIZARD who has installed himself in copious TERRAN CLONES (human & feline most probably) as part of a MULTIPLAYER MULTIDIMENSIONAL HYPERREAL CHESS GAME with among others E. Presley and J. Morrison (was called the lizard king.. see how it all connects).
Sorry Argenti Aertheri. I hadn’t read your comment before I wrote.
See Talacaris, that whole lizard bit could’ve been funny-ish, if you hadn’t just tried taking a potshot at pecunium. You aren’t an unredeemable MRA, you just choose to be an asshole for shits and giggles. More lizard jokes, less asshole!
Sorry Argenti Aertheri. I hadn’t read your comment before I wrote.
This is your problem in a nutshell. You are implying that you need someone else praising you, or you will be a turd in the punchbowl.
pecunium:
No, that saying that you are something or think like sometthing will often lead to behaving just like that. So when seeing a description of amateurish lulz-trolling creates an impulse to do just that.
No, that saying that you are something or think like sometthing will often lead to behaving just like that.
Gee… when someone points out something I’m doing which is stupid, counterproductive, or contrary to what I want to be/how I want to be seen; my reaction isn’t to prove them right, but to show how that’s not the way I am.
If you hadn’t made sure we knew you were a self-declared troll, I’d not have you to use as an example.
Question, why/how did you choose to read this thread, of all the threads going: esp. since it had been hours (and hundreds of comments on other threads), since this was said? It wasn’t on the “recent comments” list.
Easy, saw in the afternoon that there was some commenting going on in the glossary. didn’t have time to read until night.
Does anyone else see talacaris as the Little Troll That Couldn’t, But E For Effort?
Pretty Much. He’s been moving into commenter, but slips.
Women, pathetic and shameless as they are. Women have resolved to make “themselves” worthless to any man. Now I’m sure a male child and co-dependent sex obsessed male will strive forward. Lower species usually do. However, a Man who is truly confident in himself has ZERO need for todays woman. As usual this will amount to a bunch of meaningless and childish name calling, however, if you wish to actually use your mind and debate this, go ahead. Make my day.
I’m pretty sure women have no use for men who think that way either.
So if they leave the women alone everyone wins! Hurray!
I need to know: Why the quote marks around “themselves”? Do women not really have selves?
@Praetorian —– Nothing like a huge dollop of generalisation there. I’m not worthless, never have been and I never will be. My partner and I have been together 9 years and are very happy together so don’t include me in your rather silly, one sided comment. If men want to go their own way I say good on them. Don’t look back. Get on with it.