WTF is a MGTOW? A Glossary

On this blog, MRA does not stand for Magnetic Resonance Angiography

NOTE: This page is in desperate need of revision and expansion. In the meantime, I suggest you use Rationalwiki’s Manosphere Glossary.

For newcomers to this blog, here’s a handy guide to some of the strange acronyms and lingo you’ll encounter here and in the “manosphere” in general. (For a definition of that term, see below.) I will update this entry periodically as needed.

First, the acronyms you’ll see most often here:

MRA: Men’s Rights Activist
MRM: Men’s Rights Movement

MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way MGHOW: Man Going His Own Way.

Ok, so what do those terms mean?

MRM: The Men’s Rights Movement: A loosely defined, but largely retrograde, collection of activists and internet talkers who fight for what they see as “men’s rights.” Unlike the original Men’s Movement, which was inspired by and heavily influenced by feminism, the self-described Men’s Rights Movement is largely a reactionary movement; with few exceptions, Men’s Rights Activists (or MRAs) are pretty rabidly antifeminist, and many are frankly and sometimes proudly misogynistic. Those who oppose the MRM are generally not against men’s rights per se; they are opposed to those who’ve turned those two words into a synonym for some pretty backwards notions.

MGTOW: Men Going Their Own Way: As the name suggests, MGTOW is a lot like lesbian separatism, but for straight dudes. MGTOW often talk vaguely about seeking “independence” from western and/or consumer culture, and a few MGTOW try to live that sort of zen existence. But most of those who embrace the term have a deep hostility towards and/or profound distrust of feminists and women in general. Many MGTOW refuse to date “western women” and some try to avoid women altogether.  I think the Man Going His Own Way acronym MGHOW adds another layer of confusion to an already awkward acronym, so I use MGTOWer instead.

Some other terms and acronyms you’ll run across here:

Anglosphere: Countries in which English is the primary language, or, more narrowly, those countries that used to be British colonies. They are full of evil Western Women (see below).

Incel: Involuntarily Celibate. A term, and identity, adopted by some dateless guys (as well as some women, but it’s the men we’ll focus on here). While there is nothing shameful about being dateless, or a virgin, or having a really long dry spell sexually — most of us have been there at some point — the term “involuntarily celibate” seems to suggest that the world owes incels sex, and that women who turn down incel men for dates or sex are somehow oppressing them. For those (male, straight) incels who are genuinely socially awkward or phobic, this can be a self-defeating stance that can lead to bitterness towards women. And often does.

Mangina: Derogatory term used by MRAs, MGTOW, etc. to describe guys who disagree with them — e.g., me. You can figure out the various connotations of this term yourself.

The Manosphere: The loose collection of blogs, message boards, and other sites run by and/or read by MRAs, MGTOW, and assorted friendly Pick-up Artists. The primary source of material for this blog.

NAWALT: Not All Women Are Like That. Dudes in the manosphere make so many ridiculous and untrue generalizations about women that they’ve come up with their own little acronym to describe the most common reaction to their nonsense: “not all women are like that.” Remarkably, many seem to think that making a reference to NAWALT is actually some sort of clever rebuttal of their critics.

PUA: Pick-up Artist. PUAs are obsessed with mastering what they see as the ultimate set of techniques and attitudes — known as “Game” — that will enable them to quickly seduce almost any woman they want. There is a vast literature on “game” online, though PUA (insofar as it is not complete bullshit) is at its essence simply a male version of the age-old ploy of “playing hard to get.”

Western Women: Also known as WW. Evil harpies, at least according to many in the manosphere. Contrasted with “foreign women,” a term that (in the manosphere, at least) sometimes refers to all women outside the Anglosphere, but often refers to a subset of these women from poor and/or Eastern countries, mostly Asian, who are regarded as more pliable and thus more desirable to haters of “Ameriskanks” and other WW.

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The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

@Cassandra

I did not say everyone. In London I would guess it it about 90% but straights can be found.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Aww, my SCENTED FUCKING CANDLE burned itself out. At least it doesn’t smell like filter anymore. Lit the wrong end of a clove, dear gods did that reek.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

But did it all burn, or just 90% of it?

I’ve stopped buying candles from IKEA, by the way, because the last ones I bought smelled awful when you blew them out. Not sure why or what the cause was, but it was disgusting.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

D’you reckon useful as a hatfull of arseholes is Mr 90%?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Don’t know, don’t care!

Kittehserf
11 years ago

One troll/sock’s much like another, these days … must be crowded in hatboy’s head, with all those imaginary Geniuses Going Their Own Way in there. Funny how even moderate intelligence isn’t a characteristic of the ones ranting online.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Cassandra — well, far less than 90%, but that’s only because it’s a particularly stubborn cranky ass that refuses to burn for very long without flooding the wick. So yeah, resembles some of our other trolls — stubborn and burns out quick fits most of them!

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Ikea trolls: various ways of assembling them (no Allen key required), all end up much the same, and end up flaming out or just make a low-level pong for ages.

(Okay, totally mixed Ikea metaphor, but eh, they’re only trolls, they don’t deserve better.)

mildlymagnificent
11 years ago

I’ve stopped buying candles from IKEA, by the way, because the last ones I bought smelled awful when you blew them out.

No, you’ve got it all wrong.

This is your chance to go out shopping for a candle snuffer, preferably antique. You’ll lose your hivemind accreditation if you keep on missing shopping and spending opportunities like this.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

This is your chance to go out shopping for a candle snuffer, preferably antique. You’ll lose your hivemind accreditation if you keep on missing shopping and spending opportunities like this.

😀

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

But antiques don’t waste any new resources or damage the environment, as women are supposed to do. You gotta think wasteful – recycling is not allowed.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

But, but, Victorian goodies!

And I like ikea furniture. It’s cheap and sturdy and I have no trouble with their directions (though everyone else I know does)

Kittehserf
11 years ago

There ya go, Argenti – you could found Ikea Constructions R Us!

pecunium
11 years ago

Hate Boy: I’m not the one conflating all women. For that we have the MRM.

Why don’t you actually respond to things?

Seems to be music time.

Sitting on this barstool talking like a damn fool
Got the twelve o’clock news blues
And I’ve given up hope on the afternoon soaps
And a bottle of cold brew
Is it any wonder I’m not crazy? Is it any wonder I’m sane at all
Well I’m so tired of losing- I got nothing to do and all day to do it
I go out cruisin’ but I’ve no place to go and all night to get there
Is it any wonder I’m not a criminal?
Is it any wonder I’m not in jail?
Is it any wonder I’ve got

Too much time on my hands, it’s ticking away with my sanity
I’ve got too much time on my hands, it’s hard to believe such a calamity
I’ve got too much time on my hands and it’s ticking away from me
Too much time on my hands, too much time on my hands
Too much time on my hands

Well, I’m a jet fuel genius – I can solve the world’s problems
Without even trying
I have dozens of friends and the fun never ends
That is, as long as I’m buying
Is it any wonder I’m not the president
(He’s not the president)
Is it any wonder I’m null and void?
Is it any wonder I’ve got

Too much time on my hands, it’s ticking away at my sanity
I’ve got too much time on my hands, it’s hard to believe such a calamity
I’ve got too much time on my hands and it’s ticking away from me
Too much time on my hands, too much time on my hands
Too much time on my hands

Styx, Too Much Time on My Hands

Aaliyah
11 years ago

Yay Styx! Their 80s albums were fabulous. And I adore Tommy Shaw.

titianblue
titianblue
11 years ago

Really, Motheaten, i’d have thought you’d realise by now that I’m going to check every “factual” statement you make.

The present government in the UK is allowing parents to control or choose schools. This has resulted in a modest increase in the number of single sex schools.

That smell? it’s your pants on fire again. You just can’t help yourself can you? Just have to state as fact anything you think supports your position.

In fact, there is a trend in the opposite direction with most traditionally single-sex schools going mixed. Academics are debating whether this is a good thing, given the typically different learning styles of girls vs boys.

You, BlackFedora, are a LIAR.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

My favorite part of this particular lie was the idea that the policies of the present British government, which has only been around for 3 years, have already resulted in a measurable increase in the number of single sex schools. Damn, that education market sure is responsive! Who’d have thought you could get new schools up and running that quickly?

(And this is why I’m mostly ignoring him. What’s the point in engaging with someone who’s just making shit up for trolling purposes?)

Dvärghundspossen
11 years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebephilia According to Wiki (I don’t have the interest or energy to pursue this further, but that article has like a tons of links) there is some debate within the scientific community as to how “normal” it is to be attracted to teenagers as an adult oneself, and whether adults taking sexual of advantage of minors actually have different sexual desires from most or if they’re just morally depraved.

This is totally not my area of expertise and I’m not gonna fling around theories pulled out of my arse, but IF there were solid scientific evidence to the effect that most adults can find teenagers (even pretty young teenagers) sexually attractive ALTHOUGH most adults also realize that it’s morally wrong to take advantage of people as young as that and therefore choose not to actually DWELL on sexual thoughts regarding teenagers, whatever. For all I (the complete non-expert) knows, this could be the case. What’s so sleazy about MRA:s going on about teenage girls is how they move from “it’s natural to find them attractive” to “it’s morally right to attempt to have sex with teenage girls” and “actually adult women are repulsive”.

Bronas Salk
Bronas Salk
11 years ago

On Red Pillers: Wait, this is all about The Matrix? A Keanu Reeves movie? I use Locke, Aquinas, Kant, thinkers like that to support my positions, and they use Keanu Reeves?

On the rest: Wow. How full of crap can these misogynistic douchebags get?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Actually that would be better stated as “they use the people who also made the Speed Racer movie”. You can’t blame Reeves for the fact that The Matrix is silly, he didn’t write that crap.

Dvärghundspossen
11 years ago

I don’t know. I liked the Matrix, the first movie, as a fun and entertaining action-sci-fi-movie. Didn’t like the sequels.

I also saw a female journalist some time ago (presumably being unaware of MRA) using the red pill analogy herself for the moment she realized that society is still terribly sexist and feminism is still very much needed.

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

@ Casandra

You mean governments are not responsive. Markets are.

If you give parents the chance to choose their schools then changes will occur within a year. Governments take ten years to do anything.

cloudiah
11 years ago

In elementary school, I used to sleepover at my best friend’s house and we would fall asleep listening to Styx. Pieces of Eight, I think. On a cassette tape.

I am old.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

I remember Styx. Concept albums – so glad they’re not much of a thing any more.

Meanwhile, hat dude is trying way too hard to get me to talk to him.

The Black Fedora
The Black Fedora
11 years ago

Oh by the way. I have another site for the boobroll.

http://londonga.blogspot.co.uk/

Enjoy.

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