We Hunted the Mammoth: The FAQ-ening
Q) A mammoth, huh? What’s this blog about?
A) Misogyny, not mammoths.
Specifically, this blog focuses on what I call the “New Misogyny,” an angry antifeminist backlash that has emerged like a boil on the ass of the internet over the last decade or so. These aren’t your traditional misogynists – the social conservatives and religious fundamentalists who make up much of the far right.
These are guys, mostly, who range in age from their teens to their fifties, who have embraced misogyny as an ideology, as a sort of symbolic solution to the frustrations in their lives – whether financial, social, or sexual.
Some of them identify as Men’s Rights Activists, trying to cast their peculiar struggle against what they see as the excess of feminism and the advantages of women as a civil rights issue of sorts. Alongside those who explicitly label themselves MRAs we find a great number of antifeminist and antiwomen activists we might call Men’s Rights-adjacent – like those in the Skeptic and Atheist subcultures who still haven’t gotten over an offhand remark Skepchick founder Rebecca Watson made about a dude in an elevator a couple of years ago.
Others proclaim themselves Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW), declaring a sort of independence from women – while spending much of their time on message boards talking endlessly about them.
Still others see themselves as Pickup Artists (PUA), or masters of “Game,” espousing elaborate “scientific” theories of male superiority while trading tips on how best to pressure or manipulate drunk women into bed. This misogynistic wing of the PUA subculture has a considerable overlap with a subset of traditionalist and far-right blogs. Many of those in what has come to be called “the manosphere” — hey, don’t blame me, I didn’t come up with that name — don’t simply embrace misogyny; they also proudly embrace “scientific” racism and other bigotries.
Still, while some of the New Misogynists see themselves as conservatives, even “neo-reactionaries,” many identify themselves as libertarians or even as liberals. Theirs is a backlash that frames itself as a step forward.
That said, there are numerous posts here that don’t have anything to do with MRAs or MGTOWers or PUAs or any of their ilk. Sometimes I like to post cat pics.
Q) Ok, but you still haven’t explained the mammoth thing.
A) This is a reference to a quote I once posted from a dude who felt women weren’t sufficiently appreciative of what men had supposedly done for them over the ages. Here’s the quote, in all of its weird glory:
We men built a nice safe world for you all the the coal-mines of death, roads, railroads, bridges and tall office buildings. Its $1,000,000 spent per death of a man on a large dangerous project on average now you can just 9-5 it and call it a day in air-conditioned and heated safety. Forget about the wars we died in and the sacrifices made just ignore history or is it now hersorty? You are accruing the benefits without ever having to pay the price you still don’t have to sign up for the draft and who will protect you? The Sex and the City girls will fight off the North Koreans with their Manolo Blahniks?
Men gave you this modern world now you take it for granted we hunted the mammoth to feed you we died in burning buildings and were gassed in the trenches but that was just for fun right?
How quick and conveniently you forget who made this possible.
We gave you Leonardo da Vinci, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy not to mention countless others, Jonas Salk saved half the world from death and you just piss on it all.
This quote is such an amazing clusterfuck of misogyny, entitlement and unwarranted self-importance – not to mention historical ignorance – that the bit about mammoths became a catchphrase around here, neatly conveying pretty much everything this blog is against. And so I decided to make it the name of the blog.
Q) And who exactly are you?
A) David Futrelle. I’m a freelance writer and blogger living in Evanston, IL, and the guy behind the Confused Cats Against Feminism blog. For more on my illustrious career, see the David Futrelle FAQ.
Q) You’re against the Men’s Rights movement. Are you against men having rights?
A) Of course not. As hundreds of posts on this site show pretty clearly, the so-called Men’s Rights Movement is a hateful, reactionary movement driven largely by misogyny and hatred of feminism. It doesn’t help men. It encourages them to scapegoat women and stew in their own bitterness.
Q) Are you secretly funded by the international feminist conspiracy?
A) No. I’m not funded by any organization. Some readers have very kindly given me donations. You can too, if you wish.
Q) What’s with all the cat pictures?
A) I like cats.
Via the consumption of large quantities of LSD? I can see how a lady riding a chicken might be a thing that a sexist weirdo would see under the influence of mind-altering chemicals.
Which is why you’ve come here, again, to violate our clearly stated boundaries for the millionth time so that you can make sure we don’t think something you don’t want us to think.
MR AL, LEAVE FOREVER. Don’t just leave until we suspect somebody is you. Don’t just leave until you’ve decided you’re well enough to come back. Don’t just leave until you become really upset and want to defend yourself from something. You do not get to decide when you get to come back here. The decision has been made for you already. It is never. Never is the time you get to come back.
Well then, this time it’s Mr. Al and he admits to it!
B — instant Godwin, congrats
mjb — sure you have. Women who turned you down I’m guessing?
Instead of telling us you’re not posting here, you could just not post here. You lose again, kid.
I don’t know the count of men psyco-murdered by feminism around the world. Don’t know if they reach 6 mil. or not. In Europe we have some thousands divorced fathers suicide each year. In Spain Zapatero caused about 1 mil. innocent men persecuted in nine years. In Italy victims at the work place are almost 100% men. Nobody knows how many male children die by circumcision side effects or other sex-related habits in the world. Nobody knows the true numbers of male genocide, because hiding its evidence is part of genocide propaganda. The comparison with jews is wrong and right at the same time, depending on how you consider open war versus soft war.
Citation desperately needed, Guit. Your tinfoil hat may be too tight.
Another instant godwin! What is with this thread?
You’re comparing suicide to gas chambers, please go back to “basic human decency 101”
What is it with these men comparing their sad boners to genocide? Erk.
You are free to disagree. I apologize I have not enough time to collect data for you. It’s easy sorting it out from mra sites. Facts like effect of Zapatero’s law, work place deaths or divorce related suicide are in common knowledge, and here in Italy/Europe often reported by goverment organizations.
Guit, citations or shut up.
” In Spain Zapatero caused about 1 mil. innocent men persecuted in nine years.”
1 mil.? Innocent?
Women killed by their intimate partner in Spain 2003-2013:
http://www.nodo50.org/xarxafeministapv/?Asesinadas-por-violencia-de-genero
How about you point out where we said that it’s impossible to oppress men? Because so far I have only seen people say that men are not underprivileged and oppressed because of their gender.
Nevermind, I shouldn’t even have to ask. Like many MRAs you’re just making shit up.
“Psyco-murder?” Is that a word? My Google search insists I’m looking for the shower scene in Psycho.
Guit, if you mean “suicide as a result of depression”, why do you think some men feel disinclined to look for professional help? Despite what the MRAs would have you believe, feminists are not the ones suggesting a “toughen up” approach to male depression. That’s the old patriarchal belief about men being weak (and feminine) if they have an illness related to their emotional state. Since emotions are all girly and icky and cooties.
Which makes the MRAs so much more confusing: “I AM A REAL MAN! WOMEN ARE THERE FOR ME TO EXPLOIT AND USE AS I PLEASE! Oh God, please don’t hurt my fee-fees…”
Also, Guit, two things:
1) Quit going all Godwin on us. That’s bad form. Unless there has been an incident where men have been brutally murdered by the millions purely for being men (and for that reason alone), it’s not comparable. For a slightly different take on the problem of ridiculously exaggerated hyperbole, see this:
http://artistryforfeminismandkittens.wordpress.com/2013/05/26/so-you-want-to-compare-something-to-slavery/
2) Take your issues to some of the more active threads to get answers more easily. In case you can’t see which threads are active, check the date of the last comment. Don’t revive old threads.
And in case there’s still someone reading this who doesn’t have the “Brave Sir Robin” song playing in their head…
I did some Google searches on Zapatero, and all I got that was slightly relevant was information about his domestic abuse policies, none of which seemed discriminatory towards men (in fact, they don’t even seem to focus on me).
What happened with Zapatero is that some battered women that otherwise would have been silent denounced their intimate partners. I don’t know who tells these lies about innocent men being prosecuted in Spain. That’s ludicrous. Many of these women still got murdered, even after denouncing their husbands.
And yes, some men killed themselves AFTER KILLING their spouses/girlfriends.
Here’s a source that seems to be reliable: http://www.opendemocracy.net/5050/liz-cooper/ex-president-zapatero-fate-of-new-political-man
It leads to this: http://noticias.juridicas.com/base_datos/Admin/lo1-2004.html
Excerpt from the first article:
Nothing new here, I guess.
It’s terrible, MRAs are increasing in number in Spain. A while ago a politician named Toni Cantó said that most accusations of domestic violence are false (http://www.publico.es/452787/las-cantadas-mas-sonadas-de-toni-canto). He had to apologize of course.
*This links are in Spanish, sorry…
It is misandry to point out that some men are violent. MISANDRY!
Also, making male politicians apologize when they say something unsupported by facts, MISANDRY!
Ok, I’m sorry to revive old threads, I’ll follow your suggestion and go to more specific threads. Just in case, for completeness, I know that you keep reading avfm site. There were two articles on Spain published recently, plenty of links and infos. Also, I know a spanish association has sued the Zapatero government on genocide. I remember this fact is also mentioned in avfm reports.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/government-tyranny/spanish-gender-stalinism-part-i/
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/government-tyranny/spanish-gender-stalinism-part-ii/
Usually I prefer not to link mra sites to feminist groups, for respect to them, because it may look as “propaganda”. So please consider the reports just as references.
RE: Guit
It IS propaganda, because it’s making a false equivalence to Stalinism. You know, that guy who MURDERED AND EXILED LOTS OF PEOPLE. I’m not going to use as reference something that makes such an absurd false equivalence IN THE TITLE.
In general, my approach is talking with feminists in order to make my opinion more complete, and in order to find areas were my idea is wrong. I dislike my vision of the society I live in. Denigrations worsen my state and good people with open minds improve it.
In fact, when I said to consider it as a reference, I meant: please get sources but not opinions out of there. I can agree with you: I don’t know if “stalinism” is a proper definition there.
Well, aren’t you the self-absorbed one. Not our job to make your opinion more complete. Go improve your own state somewhere else.
Hey Guit? Go read Feminism 101 sites if you want to learn what it is and not the bullshit MRAs spout. This is a mockery site; you’re in the wrong place.
If you think saying that is going to prevent us from denigrating you, you’ve got another thing coming.