We Hunted the Mammoth: The FAQ-ening
Q) A mammoth, huh? What’s this blog about?
A) Misogyny, not mammoths.
Specifically, this blog focuses on what I call the “New Misogyny,” an angry antifeminist backlash that has emerged like a boil on the ass of the internet over the last decade or so. These aren’t your traditional misogynists – the social conservatives and religious fundamentalists who make up much of the far right.
These are guys, mostly, who range in age from their teens to their fifties, who have embraced misogyny as an ideology, as a sort of symbolic solution to the frustrations in their lives – whether financial, social, or sexual.
Some of them identify as Men’s Rights Activists, trying to cast their peculiar struggle against what they see as the excess of feminism and the advantages of women as a civil rights issue of sorts. Alongside those who explicitly label themselves MRAs we find a great number of antifeminist and antiwomen activists we might call Men’s Rights-adjacent – like those in the Skeptic and Atheist subcultures who still haven’t gotten over an offhand remark Skepchick founder Rebecca Watson made about a dude in an elevator a couple of years ago.
Others proclaim themselves Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW), declaring a sort of independence from women – while spending much of their time on message boards talking endlessly about them.
Still others see themselves as Pickup Artists (PUA), or masters of “Game,” espousing elaborate “scientific” theories of male superiority while trading tips on how best to pressure or manipulate drunk women into bed. This misogynistic wing of the PUA subculture has a considerable overlap with a subset of traditionalist and far-right blogs. Many of those in what has come to be called “the manosphere” — hey, don’t blame me, I didn’t come up with that name — don’t simply embrace misogyny; they also proudly embrace “scientific” racism and other bigotries.
Still, while some of the New Misogynists see themselves as conservatives, even “neo-reactionaries,” many identify themselves as libertarians or even as liberals. Theirs is a backlash that frames itself as a step forward.
That said, there are numerous posts here that don’t have anything to do with MRAs or MGTOWers or PUAs or any of their ilk. Sometimes I like to post cat pics.
Q) Ok, but you still haven’t explained the mammoth thing.
A) This is a reference to a quote I once posted from a dude who felt women weren’t sufficiently appreciative of what men had supposedly done for them over the ages. Here’s the quote, in all of its weird glory:
We men built a nice safe world for you all the the coal-mines of death, roads, railroads, bridges and tall office buildings. Its $1,000,000 spent per death of a man on a large dangerous project on average now you can just 9-5 it and call it a day in air-conditioned and heated safety. Forget about the wars we died in and the sacrifices made just ignore history or is it now hersorty? You are accruing the benefits without ever having to pay the price you still don’t have to sign up for the draft and who will protect you? The Sex and the City girls will fight off the North Koreans with their Manolo Blahniks?
Men gave you this modern world now you take it for granted we hunted the mammoth to feed you we died in burning buildings and were gassed in the trenches but that was just for fun right?
How quick and conveniently you forget who made this possible.
We gave you Leonardo da Vinci, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy not to mention countless others, Jonas Salk saved half the world from death and you just piss on it all.
This quote is such an amazing clusterfuck of misogyny, entitlement and unwarranted self-importance – not to mention historical ignorance – that the bit about mammoths became a catchphrase around here, neatly conveying pretty much everything this blog is against. And so I decided to make it the name of the blog.
Q) And who exactly are you?
A) David Futrelle. I’m a freelance writer and blogger living in Evanston, IL, and the guy behind the Confused Cats Against Feminism blog. For more on my illustrious career, see the David Futrelle FAQ.
Q) You’re against the Men’s Rights movement. Are you against men having rights?
A) Of course not. As hundreds of posts on this site show pretty clearly, the so-called Men’s Rights Movement is a hateful, reactionary movement driven largely by misogyny and hatred of feminism. It doesn’t help men. It encourages them to scapegoat women and stew in their own bitterness.
Q) Are you secretly funded by the international feminist conspiracy?
A) No. I’m not funded by any organization. Some readers have very kindly given me donations. You can too, if you wish.
Q) What’s with all the cat pictures?
A) I like cats.
People who employ a phrase such as “pussy power tantrum” and declare to me when feminism should have ended are definitely my go-to source for determining who is fringe and extremist and who is not.
What do all those words even mean? What’s the “necessary advertisement” for getting into university? What about women’s access to private sector work and to elected office?
Oops, I kind of messed up my cut and paste at the end of that. At least I got the block quote right.
Maybe I didn’t have the necessary advertisement at university.
“Feminism should have ended when (…) were able to get into university on merit with equal chance of scholarship and the necessary advertisement, as well as access to non-elected government work again based on merit.”
When did that happen?
Tarnished, if you’re still reading:
Have you noticed how often people (misogynists particularly) will refer to men, boys, and … females? It’s dehumanising and if people who aren’t misogynists use it, they’re just playing into the notion of women as less than human.
Male and female should be left as adjectives, not nouns.
Uh, divorce rates aren’t “skyrocketing.” They skyrocketed in the 70s, and have fallen considerably since then. Here’s a chart.
http://thesocietypages.org/graphicsociology/files/2009/12/divorce_rate_zoom_out.jpg
Funny, it sounds to me like you’re talking about A Voice For Men. This place, on the other hand, is a hoot. I’m sorry you’re so humorless; it must be terrible to be you.
And when, exactly, did all this word soup you just puked up happen? Point me to a clear date and a demarcating event so I can mark it on my calendar and celebrate! Oh, wait: you can’t? Quel surprise! Feminism hasn’t ended because sexism hasn’t ended, and MRAs are nothing but sexism-enforcers. I’m sorry you think it’s just a “pussy power tantrum”, but do you really think throwing a dick-waving tantrum is some kind of necessary corrective? Because I can assure you that things have NOT gone too far; they haven’t even gone far enough.
And if that’s an “extremist pov” to you, too fucking bad. The facts have a feminist bias. DEAL WITH IT.
I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with using “male” and “female” as nouns, but only in the right context, like that of a formal research paper. In informal contexts the usage is dehumanizing in that it connotes some bizarre kind of bio-centrism. And bio-centrism is used to reinforce structures that oppress women.
Re: the word ‘female’
Generally, the main reason I’ve seen for dislike for this word on this site is that it isn’t used with male (as would be appropriate), but with ‘man’ or ‘boy’. The connotation is that ‘men’ are people but ‘females’ are biological entities (not people).
Secondly, gender and/or sex mish-mashing (or, conversely, steeply dividing the two) has a lot of semi-triggering effects on people, which can lead to a lot of flamage. Unless you’re planning on discussing that, pick one set (man/woman/people, etc) and stick with it. It may seem boring to you as the writer, but it saves confusion for the reader.
(Thinks)
Maybe he thinks that universities should place ads in the paper, or on craigslist, to let women know that they accept female students, and that’s what the “necessary advertisement” is?
Or he could just be a complete dumbass. I’m thinking that may be a more likely explanation.
Pussy Power Tantrum – radio friendly punk
“word soup you just puked up” is my new favourite quote/phrase ever.
$10 says he’s opposed to the gubmint stopping private business owners from discriminating.
Do we have a clever name for MRA Libertarians yet?
Yeah, but now you can’t stone your wife for doing it. Misandry!
“Do we have a clever name for MRA Libertarians yet? ”
Meh, they’re the same thing to me. “Everything to me, and nothing for thee!”, and the rationalizations thereof.
Hello, not manboobz! I suspect this section is not the best place to post my random question (and I’m sorry for the impracticalness of it all), but I thought it would have been worse to comment on one of your articles with something completely unrelated to it. Landed here by chance, I laughed over the Alpha-male tips for lovers and your lovely funny interpolations, and now think you are the right person to go to with this. I was wondering if you’ve heard and what you think of “permutationofninjas”: http://permutationofninjas.org/
(I’m especially troubled by their take on the evolution of patriarchy and all the pseudo-scientific, historic stuff they pile upon it. Here: http://permutationofninjas.org/post/21543251030/on-patriarchy-and-why-i-dont-believe-in-it
And here: http://permutationofninjas.org/post/30120518447/on-the-evolution-of-patriarchy-and-why-men-didnt-do
LOL “we hunted the mammoth to feed you ” is hilarious!
Ok Deni, so if you personally can hunt a mammoth to feed me then I think I might just be impressed enough to agree with you.
@Eurgh, shit-testing is misandry 😉
I have been reading this site for a couple months now and totally love it! I was going to donate to your funds drive but it seems it’s gone now…can i still donate if I don’t have a paypal account? Say with a Visa card? I can’t stand the thought of kittens going hungry…
Gizmo’s Mom, yeah, there’s still a donate button in the sidebar; if you can’t access it on mobile, you can also scroll down to the older entries on the main page and they still have donate buttons. You can donate with a credit card through paypal without signing up for a paypal account.
And thanks!
I especially love the bit where he grieves over all the men who have fought and died in war — neglecting to mention that historically, it is men who start wars.
Dear David,
I’m writing an article on the “Men’s Rights” Movement and the Manosphere for a college newspaper. I remembered finding this site sometime back. While I imagine you are fairly busy, I would be interested in doing a skype interview with you about the topic if you were as well. I will understand if you would prefer not to, but as one who exposes these sites I would be interested in what you have to say.
Sorry to do this publicly…I couldn’t find a “contact me” function, I imagine because you probably get flame mail from MRAs.
Nick Browne, you can contact David at futrelle[at]well[dot]com (replace [at] with @ and [dot] with . ).
Ah, thank you.
Hi David. I like your idea of mocking the “manosphere” as it definitely needs to be mocked. However I wanna ask you why you don’t pick up some stuff from “Return of Kings”. It’s a site full of misgony and general hate against humanity and it’s full of disgusting pricks and evil minds. In my opinion it is alot worse than most of the stuff you blog about from the Reddit red pill sphere.
In response to Steph:
…and historically excluded women from joining the armed forces to share in defending their nations.
Hi Just Someone!
He actually has covered a lot of return of kings junk. Check out the tag in the archive!