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Election Open Thread

I’m sorry I didn’t upload this before, if there are some amongst you who want to discuss the, er, situation. I have been obsessing about this election for months now and I think that now we’re here I find I’m too anxious to watch the returns coming in as a Trump victory would be the biggest disaster for this country since, I dunno, the civil war? I took a peek at Twitter about twenty minutes ago (I refuse to use its other name) and the people I follow are all sounding very gloomy and now I’m more tense and scared than I have ever been about this election. The Russian bomb threats aren’t helping the situation. I don’t know if I’ll even check the news again tonight (who am I kidding, I will) but if you guys feel like chatting here’s a place to do it.

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Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
14 hours ago

@Snowberry

I am a very amateur weaver, but when I looked up “Wiphala,” my immediate reaction was “That’s a weaving gamp.” I like weaving gamps – they are a cool and interesting design tool I have yet to try myself.

The Wiphala isn’t as complex as a weaving gamp can be, but flags shouldn’t be that complex anyway. For examples of some truly intricate gamps, see here:

https://handwovenmagazine.com/the-draft-what-is-a-gamp/

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
10 hours ago

Take, for example, a hypothetical “male belly dancer” emoji. That exists as a real thing – mainly in Turkey – but it’s not a common thing, even in Turkey. The traditional outfits are different from the female ones. There is no neuter/genderless version. Okay? So how do you handle that? Make M/F/N versions of both outfits? Invent a hybrid N version? Exclude the N version, so that they use separate encodings rather than modifying an N base? None of those are a particularly good idea.

I don’t see why “Make M/F/N versions of both outfits” would be a problem, unless it’s dedicating six whole emojis to this thing being simply too many?

On top of that, censorship is a concern. Emojis get censored all the time. Take my older Samsung phone: It censors three emojis, the flag of Hong Kong https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/15.0.3/svg/1f1ed-1f1f0.svg, the Flag of Taiwan https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/15.0.3/svg/1f1f9-1f1fc.svg, and the Mango https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/15.0.3/svg/1f96d.svg. The first two are because China. The fruit because it’s associated with a certain obscene word in some Eastern Asian languages. So if “male belly dancer” would get used almost exclusively in Turkey, and most people in that country mostly don’t have access to it because the popular brands there censor it, because it’s also a popular brand in certain Middle Eastern Countries where the idea of it is offensive (at least to the government if not the public), then nobody’s really using it and it’s mostly just contributing to emoji bloat. And if they included a “male belly dancer wearing traditional female outfit” you know that would definitely get censored.

So, their solution to that is “let the censors win without a fight”? Fucking cowards.

The above isn’t an argument against including those emojis. It’s an argument for doing so while trustbusting the tiny oligopoly of handset makers and mandating full owner control and customizability of devices, so even if a manufacturer out of cowardice omits some emoji or even ships with a touch-keyboard program that refuses to let you use them even with copy-paste or what-have-you, you can just install a third-party keyboard program and have at it.

Alan Robertshaw
9 hours ago

I love flag related things. But, speaking of crafting, a bit of trivia.

When the US government was deciding on a flag, it was originally envisaged that civil organisation would have the stripes horizontally and military organisations would have vertical stripes.

Apparently though that’s harder to sew so it was generally abandoned.

Except for one quasi military organisation.

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