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Researchers analyze 3.7 million comments by incels, then let out a deep sigh and lie down for a bit

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A new paper published in the journal New Media & Society by a team of Canadian researchers examines some 3.7 million posts and comments from the regulars on the Incels.is forums, and it turns out that these dudes are really, really, really racist and misogynistic. I know, it’s a real shocker.

Obviously, one doesn’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing when it comes to incels; all you have to do is spend half an hour poking around on Incels.is (or read a few posts by me on the subject). But it’s good to have research like this to document just how intense and pervasive this sort of hatred is in the incel subculture.

And the numbers are impressive. The researchers, led by Michael A. Halpin, an assistant professor of sociology at Dalhousie University, went through

every comment (N = 3,686,110) produced over 42 months on [Incels.is] and found that nearly all active participants use misogynistic terms. Participants used misogynistic terms nearly one million times and at a rate 2.4 times greater than their use of neutral terms for women.

Patterns in the numbers help to illuminate a good deal about how incels think and feel.

First, incels use the word “foid” more than any other misogynistic term, which labels women as uncaring machines, contrary to the qualities of empathy, compassion, and caring that are central to emphasized femininity … as incels label women as cold and heartless for denying them access to heterosexual sex. Second, incels’ use of “female” dehumanizes women by using an adjective as a noun … Third, while incels appear to rank order women, no group of women is valued. Incels might view “Stacys” better than “noodlewhores” or “landwhales,” but they are nonetheless described as “entitled whores.”

The researchers note that most of the participants in Incels.is discussions don’t seem to have learned their misogyny on the site; they bring their preexisting misogyny with them. As the researchers put it, “the majority of participants’ use of misogynistic terms does not increase or decrease with post frequency, suggesting that members arrive (rather than become) misogynistic.”

That said, it’s not clear to me that there is no radicalization going on; new commenters on the site may exaggerate their misogyny somewhat so as to fit in better with the crowd already there, and internalize this intense misogyny as they continue to read and comment on the site.

This may also be the case with their racism. The researchers note that

Incels’ misogyny is fused to racism, such that, while they situate all femininities [as] pariah femininities … Women of Color are doubly denigrated in relation to race and gender.

What may be a little harder to understand is why incels of color–and they make up a significant portion of the incel subculture–participate with such enthusiasm in this racialized misogyny, with Asian incels, for example, denigrating Asian women as “noodlewhores” and worse. The researchers

suggest that Men of Color in the incel community participate in racialized misogyny because it allows them to uphold unequal gender relations and participate in the denigration of all women. In this sense, such men prioritize unequal gender relations over other forms of domination.

And while incels see themselves as subordinate to other men, they use their supposed victimization as an excuse for their misogyny.

Drawing on Halpin’s (2022) conceptualization of weaponized subordination, wherein men strategically position themselves as “failed men,” betamales, or victims to justify their misogyny, we argue that incels do perform hybrid masculinity … Here, incels’ perceived subordination operates as a resource, allowing them to disguise their subjugation of women as retaliatory. We argue that such practices evidence how male supremacy is flexible and persistent, as incels and similar communities (e.g. Men Go Their Own Way) situate themselves as victims to endorse, advance, and excuse unequal gender relations.

Given the toxicity of incel racism and misogyny, the researchers agree that de-platforming incels may be an appropriate strategy–but they’re not confident it’s always effective, as “these men might simply migrate to other sites.”

They also put some hope in the prospect of “deradicalizing” those on Incels.is. Given that the overwhelming majority of commenters arrive at the site already deeply misogynistic, the researchers argue, “specific responses are necessary to disrupt such misogyny.” The approach they recommend is abbreviated ARCC, short for Agreeing, Refuting, Correcting, Challenging, and it’s worth examining in some detail.

Our first step is Agreeing with accurate knowledge claims. For instance, incels situate themselves as being exclusively aware of lookism as a form of social prejudice, when the impacts of lookism have been studied for decades … While agreeing with any incel claims might seem counterintuitive, we suggest that Agreeing establishes a frame for dialogue, disrupts incels’ claims of private knowledge, and dismantles rhetoric that frames incels as victims of censorship …. Second, we suggest explicitly Refuting incels’ justifications of their misogyny. While being unable to have a relationship is difficult, such difficulties do not legitimate incels’ misogyny, and many individuals encounter similar hardships without targeting others …

Third, we suggest Correcting claims that are based on accurate knowledge but that are interpreted incorrectly. For instance, incels are correct that an increasing number of men report being single, but they are incorrect that this is an exclusively male problem or that it can be blamed on women’s preferences for physically attractive partners. Fourth, we suggest Challenging incels’ incorrect claims. For instance, the incels.is wiki references many academic papers to advance misogynistic arguments. While appearing scientific, incels frequently cite single studies, ignore counter claims, or cherry pick examples, such as citing a study produced by Vagisil to body shame women … We suggest that all four strategies buttress each other and should be employed simultaneously to undermine incel misogyny.

In an interview with PsyPost, Halpin said that he and his fellow researchers were somewhat surprised by the intensity of the incels’ hatred of women.

Perhaps naively, we did not think that misogyny would be as common as it is. We suspected that misogyny might be the product of a vocal minority, whereas other users were not there to hate women but instead talk about the difficulties with being an incel. This was not the case in our data.

And it certainly hasn’t been the case in the various Incels.is posts I’ve read and written about over the years. This is why I’ve always argued against the notion that sites like Incels.is are somehow therapeutic for the men who populate them. They’re clearly not. If anything, they’re the opposite of self-help groups; they reinforce deep misogyny and encourage the feelings of hopelessness that cause incels to kill themselves and sometimes others. I say: shut them down–and perhaps try the strategies set out in the paper to bring some of these men and boys back from the brink.

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Regis Glass
Regis Glass
1 year ago

You know, i did want to believe some incels on the site were sincere, that they were trying to deal with being lonely. Turns out that’s not only false, but statistically false.

On another note, have you thought of branching out to see what other red pill groups believe? For example, Fit and Fresh thinks cheating is something women like.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
1 year ago

Obviously, one doesn’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing when it comes to incels

Just like you don’t need a rectal thermometer to know who the assholes are.

. . . Asian incels, for example, denigrating Asian women as “noodlewhores” and worse.

Counterpoint: Everybody loves noodles.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 year ago

Here, incels’ perceived subordination operates as a resource, allowing them to disguise their subjugation of women as retaliatory. We argue that such practices evidence how male supremacy is flexible and persistent, as incels and similar communities (e.g. Men Go Their Own Way) situate themselves as victims to endorse, advance, and excuse unequal gender relations.

Dominionists use this tactic as well, pretending that Christians didn’t stop being persecuted during the reign of Emperor Constantine roughly 1700 years ago, then using their alleged ongoing persecution to justify their homophobia, antisemitism, and other bigotries as retaliatory.

It seems this may be a fairly general pattern on the right. The rich justify their greed, anti-poor bigotry, and game-rigging by expressing fear of theft or that freeloaders will otherwise collapse the system and cost them all their “hard-earned” (ha!) perks and privileges; the whole pattern is basically the intergroup-competition version of DARVO.

milotha
milotha
1 year ago

They need to be declared a hate group and have some targeted deprogramming in schools for young men pulled into this hate and self hate.

TheKnd
TheKnd
1 year ago

I feel really bad for the researchers. David built up some degree of an resistance over the years, but people with little contact to that culture? Sheesh…

Ada Christine
Ada Christine
1 year ago

it’s annoying that as far as ISNIC is concerned nothing is actionable under icelandic law or their corporate policy to revoke their domain registration.

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
1 year ago

As Norm MacDonald used to say “Another report from the journal of DUH.”

What was the prompt for the image here? “Several loser white boys in the style of Norman Rockwell”?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

Norm was pretty insightful when it came to extremists.

“Well I for one think Hitler was a jerk; and I don’t care who knows that.”

Chris Oakley
Chris Oakley
1 year ago

Alternate headline for this post: “Researchers analyze 3.7 million comments by incels, then facepalm hard enough to register on every seismograph in the Northern Hemisphere.”

Full Metal Ox
Full Metal Ox
1 year ago

@Alan Robertshaw:

“Well I for one think Hitler was a jerk; and I don’t care who knows that.”

Mussolini
Broke his weenie,
Now it doesn’t work! (A playground jingle still in circulation among American late Boomers whose parents remembered World War II.)

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

Full Metal Ox
Full Metal Ox
1 year ago

@Alan Robertshaw:

That Romani clown—which makes Chaplin’s presumption an even more unspeakable effrontery. (Double-checking chronology, The Great Dictator was released about half a year after the Home Guard was instituted.)

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ FMO

The weird thing about Dad’s Army is that, whilst it was just a comedy show, it does have a pretty accurate chronology. Possibly because the writers were both in the HG.

But it starts out with them as LDV and as the episodes progress they get the name change and also the appropriate uniform and weapons updates.

There’s no actual date given for ‘Deadly Attachment’ (that episode), but it was the sixth series. And the events suggest it was post the “Die Glückliche Zeit”. So after April 1941. And Great Dictator was released in October 1940.

So I guess they could all have seen it.

Apparently Hitler saw it, twice.

Dave
Dave
1 year ago

I have no idea what you could possibly agree with an incel about. I would suggest maybe arithmetic, but I don’t really want to hear their opinions on 2 + 2. They probably involve counting on women you harass or something. This plan of the researches seems suspect.

Last edited 1 year ago by Dave
Fred B-C
1 year ago

How quickly is someone going to come along and try to pretend that sampling literally millions of examples of their rhetoric is still somehow unfair cherry-picking to paint them as misogynists?

numerobis
numerobis
1 year ago

Joining way late to mention that my cat is 100% a noodlewhore. When I have noodles for dinner, she comes over and makes pretty eyes at me until I share.

She particularly loves noodles with a bit of spicy tomato sauce on them.