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Incels have something of a love-hate relationship with porn. They love it, because they think it’s the closest they’ll ever get to having sex. And they hate it … because they think it’s the closest they’ll ever get to having sex.
So naturally, they have theories about porn. Some think it’s all a plot to “cuck” porn-watchers, to turn them into spectators watching Chads have sex with the Stacies they’ll never have sex with themselves. Others think it’s a plot to turn porn fans into degenerates by exposing them to weird fetishes.
And still others think that porn–straight porn, featuring men having sex with women–is part of a Jewish plot to turn men gay, or at least bisexual, by exposing them to a lot of dicks.
“To me regular ‘straight’ [p]orn is bisexual porn,” said one prolific Incels.is commenter called Waco in a recent thread. “i might be going schizo on this but i think this is a plot by (((them))) to turn millions of men gay.”
In a more recent Incels.is thread, a commenter called Mortis offered what he saw as scientific proof that porn turns straight men into bisexuals. His primary evidence? A four-year-old survey undertaken by porn site xHamster that found “a direct correlation between the amount of time a person spends watching porn, and whether or not they identified as bisexual.” Indeed, as Alex Hawkins of xHamster noted in a blog post introducing the survey results, “Porn fans who watched multiple times a day were more than twice as likely to identify as bisexual as porn fans who watched only once a week (27% vs 13%).”
Of course, as Hawkins himself pointed out, correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation. But Mortis ignored this caveat, arguing that
two things usually happen to the person who watches porn regularly
1) That person experiences pleasant feelings: The chemicals released while watching porn usually results in pleasant feelings. See how harmful is Porn addiction
2) That person sees naked images of both sexes: The person who watches porn usually comes across naked images of both sexes
And if you’re regularly feeling pleasant while looking at guys with huge porn dicks fucking women, maybe you’ll get to the point where you don’t need any women involved to feel pleasant. Hey presto! You’re at least bi.
Some of the commenters explained that this could never happen to them because they refuse to watch porn with dicks in it.
“Watching porn with dicks “héterosexual” porn is kinda gay since your vision is exposed to seeing dicks of other men,” wrote Med Amine, “maybe watching lesbian porn is way better or just girls jerking them selves off.”
“Never cared for man on woman porn,” agreed WiZardThEgRaY. “Only preferred solo softcore J-girl nude posing videos, no dicks, no tats, no bitchy scowling western faces etc.”
But this wasn’t enough for some incels, including someone called Robb97, who asserted that
watching women alone will make you into a submissive little cuck …
If you do that, then your brain has an unhealthy obsession with female pleasure. Something that should come as a by product of sex. But if someone watches a lot of female solo or lesbian porn, their brain makes his own sexual pleasure dependent on that of the woman. Which is very cucked if you think about it.
Yeah, thinking about a woman’s pleasure, what a total turnoff. No wonder these guys are incels.
@Surplus
A gentle question, asked out of curiosity – how do you know this is the case? A person down the hall may be far more affected by a water/power outage if they, for example, had a newborn they needed to keep warm/cool, or fed with properly sanitised equipment.
@ Surplus
The existence of the perpetrator is kind of an assumption too, though, considering that it’s nigh impossible to point to any existing entity known to be capable of carrying out such a campaign.
And straight men seem to LOVE penises, always taking pictures of them and sending them to everyone. esp to people who don’t want to see them.
See, that’s totally straight male behavior. If he’d sent those dick pics to people who DID want to see them, that’d be totally gay! (If it was men at least…)
Really don’t think we should be fueling surplus delusion by engaging with it. Logic kind of goes away and surplus doesn’t want to listen to it.
@Jazzlet
I was on call with my pharmacy for 3 hours trying to get a refill for my prescription. Yet somehow I don’t think I’m being targeted because of this.
@Elaine
Individual milage will naturally vary so we are all free to disengage if we want, but given we do not armchair diagnose here, I don’t think its fair to suggest people shouldn’t challenge conspiratorial thinking on this blog – or indeed that doing so is some kind of delusion-fuelling wrong. For all you know, the opposite could be true.
Elaine the Witch
But, but, but . . . no I don’t suppose you were being targeted, nevertheless very frustrating. I had a fun phoning round session after needing a couple of emergency prescriptions when I forgot to take couple of mine when I went down to my brother’s funeral, the GP practice had sent the prescription to the usual pharmacy, which wasn’t much use to me what with it being in Stockport (near Manchester) and me being in Plymouth at the time.No malice necessary, just overworked staff doing their best under difficult circumstances.
OK, you want targeted, how about this?
Until three years ago, road construction in this town was like road construction generally is: a randomish TV-static overlaid on the map, with construction in a few different essentially random locations at any given time and moving to new sites every couple of weeks.
Right when I started to sometimes take taxis to return from shopping trips, that changed. Now there is construction right outside my front door all summer, every summer. They dig a giant hole in May and then fart around until August, September, and in one case (last year) even November before finally filling it back in and paving it over. Meanwhile the road isn’t narrowed to one lane there (as is standard practice everywhere else in this town and others), but blocked outright, necessitating lengthy detours that reliably add $5 or more to any taxi fare I pay during the summer.
Explain this happening at all. Explain the timing of this change being exactly when doing this would start to cost me money. Explain why they would think one single spot needs repaving annually now, instead of much less often. Explain why it takes them four to six months to repave a 30-meter length of bog-standard two-lane road if it’s in front of my house, but only a week or two if it’s in front of anyone else’s.
The world immediately outside my door doesn’t seem to be the world depicted in popular media, or the world most people apparently live in. It seems more like a video game level with a sadistic designer who has programmed obstacles to appear at specific locations and under specific conditions precisely to make the game harder. Products (e.g. fresh bread) get harder to find over time, with no plausible real-world explanation but it certainly makes sense for level 7 of a video game to have scarcer resources than level 6. Same for level 7 to have reduced max stamina and for taking a taxi enough times to make new obstacles spring up like mushrooms to limit how much you can do it without running out of coins.
The simple fact of the matter is that the “road construction” site presently less than 200 meters from where I am sitting as I write this behaves much less like typical real-world road construction than like a plot device. Anyone arguing against the thesis that things have in some way been rigged against me will need to explain this, and many other, data points.
(And to anyone about to point out “other people live on your block, too!”, it’s quite likely that exactly one person living on this block started to sometimes take taxis right before this started happening. It might be inconveniencing the rest too, but I’m the one it’s costing actual money and the timing strongly suggests that that, rather than fixing some frost heave, is its purpose.)
@surplus
Alright you caught me. I’m the one responsible for all your problems. You are experiment 8. I am the one in charge of making your specific life hell. I could stop it any time I want but I won’t.
@ Surplus
Just out of interest, did you actually look into where road construction was going on before three years ago? I don’t know anything about such work, so I’d assume it’s not randomised but more likely to occur in locations with heavy traffic or with some important cables underneath or something.
Also, work in the exact same spot every year does sound strange. Do you know if there is an office or something that you could call or email to ask about it? I’m under the impression that here in Finland I could call the municipality to ask about things like that.
(My mother used to work in something adjacent and dreaded the summer months when someone who usually took citizens’ calls was on holiday and the calls were transferred to other people, apparently including my mother.)
Is it? How many people live there? How much attention do you pay to people getting in and out of taxis? How likely is it that three years ago someone else living there started to, I don’t know, use a wheelchair daily and this road work is there to impede their transport?
I agree with with all of this and I seriously do not understand why David allows their pointless, paranoid rants to keep being posted.
>more than twice as likely
I guess that if they were exactly twice as likely, that would be down to bisexuals’ liking twice as many pornographic scenarios.
(The above is a joke, I realise that it wouldn’t be exactly twice as many possible…just my updating an old joke about being bisexual’s doubling your chance to go out, which is also not technically correct—the best kind of ‘correct’.)
I repeat: All Real Men find women suspiciously effeminate.
Dan Savage did print a letter claiming to be from a woman whose boyfriend had, after watching a lot of women portrayed as enormously enjoying performing fellatio, wanted to try doing so himself.
Ignoring for the moment whether the ostensible author of the letter existed or, rather, were the man in question, Savage had the decent sense to point-out that 0.) pornography, at least for (my editorial comment) more decent sort of heterosexual man tends to portray women as enjoying what they’re doing and exaggerate their enjoyment—problematic, but much less so i.m.a.o. than the sort of depiction that encourages doing things partners don’t like, and 1.) he might feel differently about having to actually deal with an actual human man on the other end of the penis, that is to say he’s dealing with highly simplified and/or objectified depictions all around.
I’d rather not shill for any firm, but as a palliative for power-outages: both EcoFlow and Bluetti are reputable makers of ‘portable power stations’—such is a big battery with an ‘inverter’ to get out AC current—with almost reasonable prices of their reconditioned (returned and tested, that usually means) units on eBay. There are various sizes that will deliver various amounts of power for vrious time-periods; the best batteries are lithium-iron-phosphate (LiFePO4), but older versions are cheaper.
I’ve just bought such so that if the power should go out for a few days we could still get heat—our old furnace just uses a _bit_ of 24VAC power to run, and I’d hate for our pipes to freeze for lack of so little….
I don’t see this as a reason to become incel, but rather for me, a reason to not watch porn altogether (even though I do), lest sex becomes a mission to just please her and forget about my own pleasure (which it kinda has). Call me selfish, but I miss the days when I wanted to have sex because it felt good. Sex that made ME feel good, which in turn made HER feel good too. Now I just wanna “bust a nut”, if you will, as soon as possible. Maybe I’m just old and have lost that lust for life.