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Even by incel standards, this one is … impressive. On the Incels.is forums, one prolific commenter explains exactly why he’s so obsessed with Asian women: he thinks they’re insects. Maybe literally.
“I think the reason I have an asian fetish is because I dont believe they are human,” 30klhlvwizard begins.
To start out, this is not racebait and I dont mean to offend any asians. I think asians are great people (insects?) because they are intelligent, non-violent, and generally far more respectful than whites.
Great people (insects?).
The big difference between whites and asians is that asians do not have basic emotions like empathy and such. To be specific im talking about the chinese. I think that japs are a bit more emotionally intelligent but they still are subhuman to a certain degree.
It’s amazing that Asian women aren’t lining up to fuck him.
I dream of having sex with an asian foid because I feel like they wont be able to judge me on my sexual performance or looks.
Ah, now this all begins to make a certain twisted sense.
I feel like I cant be embarrassed in front of them because they lack any emotions that could project onto me. Almost like having sex with a sex doll.
So buy yourself a sex doll. The inflatable ones are pretty cheap.
What really drove this in was when I went to an asian massage parlor and got a handjob recently (my first and only one). To be completely honest it felt like I was having sex with an insect.
Well, if you’re into that, why not go stick your dick in a beehive?
Sex is a very intimate and emotional thing so I dont think having sex with an asian would be nearly as pleasurable as a white foid because they generally just lay there, emotionally disconnected. I still find asians attractive and would hope to fall in love with one if its even possible.
Is it actually possible to fall in love with an asian and have them love you back, or would it be like being in love with a stuffed animal? (a WMAF couple)
I’m pretty sure it would be like being in love with someone who hates your guts. Not that this is a new thing for incels.
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I wouldn’t wish this incel on a beehive. Bees have far better things to do in their short lives than die stinging this dick.
In the long contested competition for “Most Appalling Logic– Or The Lack Of It– By An Incel”, we may finally have a winner.
Seriously. This one surpasses pills of any color, and might be the most novel attempt at self-esteem I have ever seen from the incel crowd. Usually, they’re griping that “No one wants to fuck me because I’m almost subhuman”, or very similar complaints. But this genius has an answer to that– “I’m almost subhuman, but these chicks are nonhuman, and they’re also hot“.
This is pretty much the most impressive thing I’ve ever seen from the incel quarter. It’s not even misogynistic, technically, if you’re claiming that the target isn’t “real” women.
I can’t help but be impressed. Seriously. This is brilliant in it’s stupidity.
The predominant philosophical system in China is Confucianism. Empathy (or Ren) is literally at its core.
(I’m more Taoist myself; but I do love some eastern philosophy. So more here on Confucius)
https://www.interesjournals.org/articles/being-empathetic-the-way-of-confucius.pdf
Two sharp bricks.
There are a surprising number of men who call themselves “Ricecels” (or is it “Ricels”?) and “Currycels” which is short for Asian Incels and Indian Incels respectively. Surprisingly the Incel community is racially diverse, but clearly these men have internalized the racist stereotype of Asian men as undesirable.
So I would presume this guy got quite a few angry responses even from other Incels.
Hoping this guy ends up like Gregor Samsa.
Tell me you don’t really know any Asian women without telling me you don’t really know any Asian women…
And a handjob by an apparently disinterested Asian woman doing a job (it’s in the name there, bud) is hardly indicative of her ability to have empathy.
That’s ignoring the fact that she could have been doing said job under duress. She would understandably be less than enthusiastic about selling the experience in such a case
@Alan Robertshaw:
We keep running into each other.
So based on what you said here:
Quick question-is The Analects a good place to start? I’ve had a copy for a while.
All else I really have on Eastern thought is Alan Watts & Joseph Campbell, which in terms of source veracity is not great. One you’re getting everything secondhand & two, I’ve developed a bit of dissatisfaction with the Monomyth. I understand the idea it’s just that I think that application of it removes culturally unique nuances & is generally one of several factors creating a superficial planetary culture. As explored & critiqued by writers like Greg Palast & even as early as John Steinbeck’s “Travels with Charley,” albeit with that one focusing solely on the U.S.
The only other thing I’ve had that is technically Eastern is that at various points I’ve owned books by the Chinese Christian apologist Watchman Nee, though those are more of a synthesis of Eastern & Western thought
I admittedly haven’t consumed a wide variety of East Asian media (it’s limited almost entirely to Anime and South Korean horror films) but the only example I can think of involving a passive, emotionless Asian woman/girl is Rei from Evangelion… countered by the fact that she might not be entirely human and also Misato is right there and is nothing like that. (I’m not counting Asuka because she’s half German, or anyone else because they’re side characters.) I’ve seen a few which are passive but not emotionless, a few which are emotionless but not passive, and plenty which keep their emotions mostly hidden to strangers and acquaintances but are normal enough to those they know well.
I mean, there’s porn fetishes where that’s an incidental thing (sleep, dollification, and petrification fetishes that I’ve seen, probably more out there) but that’s not specific to Asian media. I’m not even sure I want to know what inspired this, but if it’s not just randomly specific dehumanization I suspect that some atypical porn or eroge (adults-only game) is responsible.
Whoo boy.
The kicker?
Dude stole this argument from a Neil Gaiman comic.
“Sandman: The Doll’s House.”
You know, this would be almost funny if he wasn’t projecting so hard. I’m very concerned about men he basically admit they have almost no emotional intelligence and empathy for anything or anybody. It usually doesn’t end well for those around them and for them.
This dude is like a microcosm on how US stereotypes on Asian people evolved from young mens’ experiences with sex workers.
@ jmc7r
I can’t pretend any expertise here. I just like learning about stuff. And when it comes to practical stuff, like how to live my life, I have a standard approach. ‘Adopt what is useful, discard what isn’t, constantly review’. I apply that to just about every aspect. So I try to learn as much as I can about alternative approaches. Then I can see if there’s anything that works for me. Like for example, I’m quite into big ‘S’ Stoicism. I find it really helps me navigate thorough life. So that’s everything from Kipling’s If to Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations. That’s probably why I find Taoism so attractive.
A lot of these things are just convergent evolution. Different ways of expressing the same underlying core.
So when it comes to Confucius I can see why people have suggested that maybe Christianity was influenced by it. Although the idea that a good guideline for life is to treat people like you’d like to be treated is probably universal. Try not to be a dick is an obvious jumping off point. I’m not especially attracted to some of the detail of Confucianism though; it all seems a bit unnecessarily deferential and small c conservative. I can see why governments and civil services like it. Although of course there are many interpretations.
Analects is the probably the best 101 primer; but then you get into issues about translation and knowing the cultural context. But, my whole vibe is you just see if there’s any ideas that work you; so the origin or authenticty doesn’t maybe matter too much. Just the concept as it comes across to you.
I do love this chap’s work on topics like this though. He’s great at explaining background. I think that can bring something to the table. Like how I initially approach art purely on what it means to me; but then on later learning a bit more about it, that can bring a whole new level of understanding and appreciation.
Why do incels exist?
Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise.
(N.B.: her ways don’t include giving hand jobs to incels.)
He doesn’t know anything about Asians in assuming they are non-violent, the Asian countries have all had periods of war, with others, internal conflict, armed gangs etc etc etc. In other words they have just as violent a history as the rest of us, and some still have a pretty violent present, just ike the rest of us. To no ones surprise he is in lust with a fantasy.
He also assumes insects do not have any emotions, when the more we study about different kinds of animals the more we find they do have emotions, emotions are very deeply rooted.
Wow. He sure wrote a lot of words, didn’t he.
@Robert Haynie
The logic is unfortunately not original. The number of genocidal racists who both dehumanized their targets and also wished to have sex with them is high. I would think it was more common than not.
Somehow more racist than just saying a slur.
The textbook definition of irony: an incel calling somebody else “subhuman”.
There are probably a few old Chinese and Koreans who remember how “non-violent” Japan was 75-80 years ago. Now the Chinese have a giant-ass army. The two Koreas are still legally at war, which is why all the lovely K-pop boys are forced to take a couple years out of their career. (Sigh. Yes, my favorite is in the Army now. Sob.) And doesn’t he know about the Mongol Horde?
@epronovost: IMAX and the ghost of Cinerama are agog at how big his projection is.
@nequam and @ooglyboggles: Yup.
@Vicky P: Yup and LOL (it was more of a nasal snerk).
Yes, incel idjit, the cultures that invented samurai, katanas, throwing stars, and kung fu are very “nonviolent”. /s
An assortment of societal structural forces, mostly symptoms of capitalism approaching a Malthusian crisis, have resulted in a growing population of people with what some have called a “failure to launch”: inability to achieve many of the (culturally specific!) normal markers of adulthood, such as living independently, homeownership, and having a career-track job. The men in this group are seen as generally undesirable by women who are looking for potential partners to have achieved those milestones, which makes these men generally experience frustration and failure in dating and sex as well. A subset of them blame women, rather than capitalism or the wealthy classes, and become resentful of women, enough that women can smell it a mile away and stay away in droves, creating a vicious cycle. That’s further exacerbated by their radicalizing one another in misogynistic online groups.
That gives you your first and efficient causes; the material cause is just “a frustrated human male who’s internalized some seriously misogynistic ideas”. If there’s a final cause, it would be some right wing conspiracy to create a disaffected pool of young men to serve as a darker counterpart to their well-known “reserve army of labor” that keeps wages low. This would be a “reserve army of terror”, just waiting for Fucker Carlson or some similar figure to use stochastic terrorism to goose some portion of them into violent action against (pick any) opposition politicians, BLM activists, community organizers … anyone who poses a threat to the uber-rich’s gravy train and the ideologies that grease its tracks. If they kill the target, the Fuckers of the world and their wealthy paymasters win. If the target survives but is driven out of public life by Gamergate levels of harassment and threats, the Fuckers win. It’s like the plot in Attack of the Clones: if Fett kills Padme, the Military Creation Act goes through and the Sith plot succeeds; if Fett fails, she still goes into hiding on Naboo, the Military Creation Act goes through (thanks, Jar Jar!), and the Sith plot succeeds. Replace Padme with, say, AOC, or a prominent Extinction Rebellion spokesperson, or anyone they want to silence to keep, say, the fossil fuel gravy train from derailment, and replace Fett with an army of arm’s length deniable stochastic terror agents, and you’ve pretty much got Earth, circa 2023.
Who?
So, the idea you end up with is not necessarily the exact original idea, but more of an offspring of it and ideas from your personal and cultural background. Memes (in the pre-internet sense) having sex, recombining. Evolution in action.
Most insects appear to be capable of fear (just try swatting a fly some time and watching it zip off again and again), and bees, at the very least, some species of anger. It is more and more difficult to gauge the emotional state of something the more different it is (it’s not like exoskeletons are conducive to having a great variety of facial expressions), and perhaps the emotions a more alien critter have map more and more poorly onto ours as well, but they are likely there. Any sufficiently complex goal-seeking automaton with multiple sometimes-conflicting terminal goals (e.g. keep fed, have sex, don’t get eaten or meet with another untimely demise) will have some kind of mental states relating to each of those, whose relative strengths from moment to moment will determine the momentary priority of one goal over others. Fear overriding hunger might keep a wise mouse from being caught in a trap baited with cheese. So I’d expect all animals, and sufficiently smart machines (a threshold that may not yet have been reached), to have emotions of some sort, whether or not they correspond closely with our particular ones. The more autonomous the machine the more likely it is to have an emotional life. Roombas get hungry and start prioritizing going for a charging socket …
Because it’s consciously examined, yet not rejected, racism; racism as choice rather than as just a default, implicit bias and learned cuss-word-behaviors absorbed from the culture around him. In the latter case, he could be considered an innocent, in a particular sense, and might be corrigible; but this particular bozo cannot; he knows the alternative and has rejected it. He was given the choice, and he consciously chosen the path of evil.
proof that western women turn as whiny and spiteful as incels, when they are sexually neglected by surrounding society in asia
@Surplus to Requirements:
Gregor Samsa is the protagonist (you can’t really consider him a hero; that word implies a specific mode of life which Samsa does not embody. He’s not even a noble proletariat. He mostly just stays in bed & mopes. “Protagonist” just means main character; it’s the more accurate descriptor)
of Franz Kafka’s “The Metamorphosis.” For reasons that are never explained, he went to bed one night a man & woke up the next morning a giant beetle.
Book’s basically a tf story with no sex.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, Kafka never married, had no children, and died a bachelor, possibly even a virgin.
And if you read his stuff
1) interesting ideas
2) holy Hell that is obviously untreated mental illness.
Asians are more “non-violent” than white people? I have only one word in response to this.
Also, didn’t Sun Tzu literally write the book on military strategy?