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Incels erupt in anger after one of their own gets laid; one suggests his alleged girlfriend is a Fed plant

Incels are not taking the news well

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BREAKING NEWS: An incel has allegedly made it with an actual adult, living, human female, making him an incel no more. Needless to say, his now-former colleagues in the incel community are taking the news of his “ascension” hard, as he was a rather high-status male in that extremely low-status subculture and a mod of the disturbingly popular Incels.is forums.

Naturally, he announced his successful mating endeavor publicly on Incels.is and on Twitter.

But not all of these connections and friends were happy to see him begin his Wet Dick Years.

Gosh, I wonder how it is that Picnic Boy here is still single. Ladies, form a line!

Now, no one so deeply entrenched in the incel world as to be an Incels.is moderator could be expected to get laid without there being something deeply creepy about the whole thing. It emerged that Komesarj was 33 years old, and his alleged new girlfriend was all of 19.

Back on Incels.is, meanwhile, the regulars weren’t just jealous and mad; some of them were quite suspicious about Komesarj’s claims of non-virginity. One imaginative commenter went so far as to suggest that any woman who would agree to have sex with Komesarj would have to be some sort of plant, sent on this distinctly unglamorous mission by the Feds or perhaps the folks in the Incel Tears subreddit. (As if.)

“Komesarj met this girl on the Incels.is discord verification server called ‘Acheron,’” noted conspiracy theorist My Name Jeff.

This means this girl knew full well who he was and his role within incels.is.

Komesarj stated this girl is a virgin, with no friends, and appears to be a 7/10 (as per the TrueRateMe scale). …

So, a young high tier becky who says she has no friends and is a virgin mysteriously approaches an old unattractive ethnic incel and wants to start a relationship via. discord? And not only that, after just a few months of talking online they meet up irl and start a sexual relationship? …

If we believe everything Komesarj has said, which for the purpose of this post I am, this leads me to believe this was some sort of plant sent in to shake up the moderation team of .is or is a large troll by Komesarj just to get one final laugh out of this forum.

While the “plant” theory didn’t exactly catch on with the assembled commenters, there were more than a few who thought the whole thing was made up. “It’s not like a story about a 33 year old bald ethnic manlet getting with a 19 year old hapa virgin stacylite that he met on fucking DISCORD is fucking absurd or anything,” wrote one.

But Komesarj had an explanation for his critics, writing in his announcement thread that “many young girls will see [an incel] as being some kind of bad boy. They hover around members of the community like flies to shit.”

The skeptics may be on to something. Miles Klee of Rolling Stone actually talked to Komesarj and wasn’t altogether convinced by his story. Moreover, Klee noted in his piece on the contretemps,

as yet, there is no confirmation his alleged girlfriend exists. Komesarj has indicated that @user9263372017 is [a Twitter] account belonging to her, which does not lend much credence to the idea that she is a real person: the profile only appeared a day after Komesarj declared that he was no longer an incel, and its responses to people mocking him are very much in keeping with aggressive incel trolling — raising the distinct possibility that he’s using the account as a sock puppet. The account has replied to Komesarj’s haters with homophobia, casually dropped the n-word, insinuated that a woman who disparaged him is infertile, and linked to YouTube videos with titles such as “Scott Pilgrim vs. the World Ruined a Whole Generation of Women.” The account user has affirmed wholly misogynist views and tweeted that “A man should hate all women aside from his gf.”

If this isn’t somebody with a lengthy career posting on boards like Incels.is, they’re certainly doing a good impression of one.

Now, it’s not impossible that Komesarj is telling the truth or something resembling it. Fucked-up people sometimes find love or at least sex in the arms of other fucked-up people; it happens every day.

In any case, the theory that Komesarj is actually having sex seems to me at least as plausible as the theory he’s making it all up–and a lot more likely than the idea that @user9263372017 is a supersexy secret agent involved in some supersecret plot to destabilize the Incels.is forums with a little bit of sexy sex.

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Note: I found out about this story, and got the screenshots above, from an excellent Twitter thread by @lameypilled.

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Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 year ago

The troublemaker is back, and has a new bag of tricks. Now he’s messing with my water supply.

First, as a preamble, it’s been raining nonstop for a week so I’m getting fairly low on supplies. My only chance to get more before running out is going to be tomorrow, as the forecast is for mainly sunny and 16, but there’s no further opportunity until Monday. (The weekend shows clear weather, but the stores would be closed before I could get to them.)

So what does the asshole do? Yesterday something bizarre happened to my water supply: it was contaminated with something that turned it a quite dark brownish. On advice, I ran it for the better part of an hour until it was running clear and there didn’t seem to be any trace of the contaminant anymore. I thought that might be some one-off, but today I woke up to the water just plain not working at all. I called the city operations department, they took my number, and then nothing. I tested it at intervals and eventually it started working again, not until after 6 this evening though — and it was contaminated again, with the same stuff as yesterday from the look. It was nearly 7 by the time I had it running clear again and thought it might be safe.

The obvious continuation of this pattern is that the water will be non-working or unusable again when I get up tomorrow, preventing me from being able to shower and dress and make myself presentable in public until late enough in the evening that it will be too late for me to get to the grocery store before it closes. Thus locking me into having no supply top-up until Monday, by which time I’ll be out of pretty much everything and starting to starve.

What I need to know, urgently, is: how do I prevent this continuation of the pattern? How do I regain control over my water supply from this fucking usurper?

And, longer term, how do I put a permanent stop to this harassment? I cannot have some unaccountable jerkass being able to hold my access to food hostage for weeks whenever the fucking whim strikes him. This has to stop and it has to stop now!

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
1 year ago

@Surplus: As a friend, I say–

You’re leaning a bit paranoia-esque again.

Quit whining and blaming Them . Are we here on WHTM Them? Should we need to listen to this? Can we directly help you? I think not.

Get up earlier (have a nap later), slap something pleasant-smelling on yourself and just go get the food and water. I’m sure the other people in the building are having the same problems, and maybe even the whole town. If it’s only your building, then everyone should call the manager. You’re not important enough for people to mess with — nobody reading these words is.

(Maybe David, but incels/MRAs aren’t able to control his water supply and make his income precarious. And stop demanding he produce more content here. He does this in his spare time, the donations aren’t up to snuff because we’re all broke, and so he’s got to make a living elsewhere. I’m just glad he’s here at all. I would like to ignore my own advice immediately and ask if David can put up his feline companion(s) some time in the future. No research needed.)

What I do for similar situations (after a hearty “MOTHERFUCKER!” in private):

I went out and got a water filter for my kitchen faucet (my water is hard and gross), and when the whole system gets icky, I just — don’t shower. I’ve got cloths that people use on invalids (baby wipes are what the troops in the desert used), and rubbing alcohol for other bits. I had my water entirely shut off for several days when the main line plumbing needed big fixing. I managed thanks to my friends letting me borrow their shower once; if not, I’d have cleaned pits and bits and muddled through.

This is with several chronic conditions since the early 80s that greatly reduce my mobility, energy, and ability to sleep, plus being on a fixed income because of same, and I have to pay for my insurance and lots of meds every month. Doing anything means I have to get up too early, especially if I need to contact someone in other states, who tend to close by the time I’m at full throttle. Today’s past due bill? The tax refund came in, so I can pay it, but by the time my mail got here, they were closed. I don’t go into a rant about how time zones are personally oppressing me

Capitalism sucks, but we can’t fix things by being paranoid and sorry for ourselves. And wasting our time and energy on conspiracy theories is bad, as we see with MAGAts and the rest of the deplorables. There are no trans people invading bathrooms for evil; there’s nobody who’s personally messing with a random poor dude in Canada.

There is someone who’s definitely out to get me some days, This is not paranoia, because it’s my cat, and anyone who’s ever lived with cats will agree.

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
1 year ago

Today I finally got around to watching the Tina Turner documentary from several years ago. Lord, that woman was physically/mentally abused and gaslighted every day for decades. And Ike always said “Because you made me do it.” That’s how they work.
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As for little tuckie, everything that Fox leaks daily shows what sensible people already knew: he’s a sad, pathetic, rude, crude, racist misogynist whose mind is unencumbered by facts. A wimpy trust-fund baby. Fox will eventually find the next whiny white man to spout the same lies in his timeslot, and the circus will roll on. TV Dinner Tuckie can live off his giant inheritance and blather somewhere else. Like Russia.

Ol’ Rupe has always said that no on air personality is bigger than the channel, and many people have thought otherwise, to their downfall. He’s simply the latest.

I’ve seen men of many ethnicities fight, and let’s face it — the insecure angry White men are exactly the sort who team up 4 on one. I punched a couple boys in my school years, and in all cases, it was because they were either harassing by following around the playground, or once when someone was making fun of my BFF for her disabilites. And I always warned them first. “If you don’t stop I’m gonna punch you in the nose.” They didn’t believe me till the blood flowed. I’m not strong but I have very pointy knuckles. My debutante Southern Belle mother approved in private and my older brother and all his friends approved openly.

@Vicky P: Ooh, deep cut! I LOL. WHTM can nerd out on any subject. (Today I was listening to the radio in the car and the DJ said, “Okay, I’m only gonna say this once: May the 4th be with you. There.”

@Yutolia: I am also sorry for that 20 year old girl and her upcoming baby. I hope she wises up quickly and gets them both out of there, but she’s 20 and her brain’s still growing. If she stays, I hope she’s good with diapers, because he sure isn’t going to change them, and she’s liable to be changing his when she’s 40.

@Jenora: Good article. All true.

As for this douchebag, I hope the girl gets away from him soon as well. Or if he’s trolling, I like the way he’s sent the incels into hysterics. Either way, he’s having fun.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
1 year ago

Victorious Parasol:

Maybe it’s work stress, but I see “Fed plant” as a label for a woman, and I’m thinking “Blodeuwedd”?

I was thinking “egg plant”.

Mediocrites, Longtime Lurker
Mediocrites, Longtime Lurker
1 year ago

@Lumipuna
When I see the phrases “Fed plant” and “woman”, in the same sentence, I think of Audrey II.

Edited to clarify.

Last edited 1 year ago by Mediocrites, Longtime Lurker
Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 year ago

@GSS:

Get up earlier

Doesn’t work in my case. Any time I’ve tried I’ve been extremely groggy and unfunctional for far too long, and generally ended up no more on-time than I would have been otherwise.

(have a nap later)

Also doesn’t work for me. I don’t know how napping is even a thing, given it takes 20 minutes or more to nod off in the first place, and then, well, see above about being super-groggy. If I sleep for less than a minimum of six hours at a time, and preferably closer to nine, I’m worse off for a while after it than I was before.

Furthermore, none of these appears to proof me against an adversary who can deny me personal hygiene on a whim with the push of some button somewhere. What were you figuring, if I got up early enough I might catch him unawares and get showered before he realized I was up and hit the shutoff switch? Why wouldn’t he just shut it off pretty much as soon as I’ve gone to bed and leave it off clear until after the stores have closed? Given his demonstrated capabilities and goals that would be his logical move and you have not offered anything that would work as a counter to that move.

And don’t even think of arguing that this is just some glitch. Nothing remotely like it had happened in years, and then it happens twice in as many days? And instead of being randomly timed, it’s right before I’ll have a very tiny few-hours-long window to get food after a full week of being unable to go and with the next such window not for another 48 hours afterward? The timing was precisely such as to make this a clear saber-rattle in my general direction. Or perhaps a weapons test. If it was really just a random occurrence it would have happened the day after I got some supplies, or in the middle of a mid-week stretch of clear weather, or something instead of precisely when it did.

Don’t forget also that the last time this jerk planned something big, he telegraphed it a couple of days in advance. It’s intentional psychological warfare, terrorizing me by letting me know what he has planned, knowing I don’t have the means to stop him, and then letting me live in fear for days. And, as we saw the last time, if whatever he’s manipulating to attack me fails to cooperate with him, he’ll just move the goalposts or do a bad dungeon-master “rocks fall, everybody dies”. So I’ve got to expect that if I do manage to get showered tomorrow he’ll somehow make it rain all evening, or arrange for a car to splash mud all over me 5 minutes after I’ve set off, or some such bullshit way of forcing his desired outcome anyway.

The message being sent by these incidents is: “My choices are meaningless. What happens to me is foreordained, not by nature or any god worthy of that name but by some petty douchebag with outsized influence of some sort. I can do everything perfectly and I will still be forced into a state of failure at predetermined points, like a character in a badly-plotted novel by a hack author, just the same way certain others can do every single thing incompetently and will nonetheless always succeed and rise upward in power, wealth, and lifestyle comfort. Any contrivance, however improbable, will happen if it needs to to ensure these outcomes; blatant deus ex machina will be the order of the day, like that bizarre remote shutoff of my machine after that ice storm ended up missing me by hundreds of miles, because the plot said ‘Surplus’s machine gets knocked offline’ so that was assured no matter what the storm really actually ended up doing.” So, it isn’t even just my choices that are meaningless. If this guy wants a thing to happen, it happens, full stop. No force on god’s green earth will apparently prevent it. No move I might make, no act of nature, no choice anyone else makes will result in any other outcome. My machine shutting off that day was essentially carved in stone as soon as the dickwad decided that that would happen, and when the storm failed to cause it, it just spontaneously happened without any apparent cause, right on schedule. And I fear that my not being able to obtain supplies tomorrow has likewise already been written into future history as immutably as if it were the past.

If all of this is just a bad novel, I want to know how I can reach out of it and kill the damn thing’s author. Something I can think of to say or do that will cause the jerk to stare flabbergasted at the word processor window and then keel over with a massive coronary from sheer shock or something. (What happens then, though? Does this world end? Or is it freed to evolve under its own internal logic from that point forth without any more heavy-handed plot-railroading from outside of space-time? And what if the guy was writing and editing it in a non-linear way? But then, the alternative is for me and everyone here to live as, in essence, slaves. Whoever is writing immutable things into future history must go. That is a power no-one should have.)

And stop demanding [David Futrelle] produce more content here.

Where have I made such a demand? Comment permalink please.

Chris Oakley
Chris Oakley
1 year ago

I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating: every time you think incels have reached the peak of absurdity, they up the ante.

Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
1 year ago

@Cyborgette: I totally agree. He is absolutely very controlling and manipulative. And yeah she does not have experience with the world. I really hope she can get out of there. I also grew up with controlling manipulators and so I know how easily they can prey on certain people and also how hard it is to recognize it as abuse, especially if you’re 20.

I also hate the whole “women go for money bla bla bla”. My dad used to complain about how he was so great looking and such a better quality guy but women went for guys with money. I had different opinions on this that I generally kept to myself for my own safety and sanity.

@GSS: me too!

Last edited 1 year ago by Yutolia the Laissez-Fairy Pronoun Boner
Dave
Dave
1 year ago

@Cyborgette I absolutely do not think most people would tolerate an incel for all the money in the world. But it’s likely someone would. Some people would probably have no choice. But with Komesarj’s obvious serial killer vibes and nothing else on the table, I can’t see it as likely he’d manage to entrap someone.

Last edited 1 year ago by Dave
Dave
Dave
1 year ago

Jenora, I was thinking that myself. Tucker previously always left some shred of deniability that he was racist. If you called him on it, he would deny it and claim you are the racist for seeing everything as about Black people. But this is about as racist as one can get without wearing blackface. It may have ruined the illusion, and in the hands of a good lawyer on cross-examination, it definitely would ruin the illusion. Not to mention that he all but admitted that his show was making him a hateful person, and then he continued to produce the exact same show.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 year ago

So, a sort of “reverse dogwhistle”: instead of the racism being unnoticed outside the target audience, the purpose was to make it unnoticed by the target audience?

Meanwhile, the supply run went … OK. Despite the clear threats over the preceding two days, there was not a hint of any sort of weirdness with the water today. What there was, was a bunch of miscellaneous minor glitches that added delay after delay. I still got to the store in time, though, despite these.

Is the source of my woes not quite omnipotent after all? Or was this just an intentional psych-out? Whoever it is has to let me win at least occasionally, or I’ll end up dead, either by exposure, starvation, or suicide, and there goes his primary source of entertainment. Even carnies occasionally let someone win a teddy bear at their rigged games, if only so it will serve as advertising for the rest of the day that’s much cheaper than hiring some guy to wander around for hours wearing a sandwich board. That I got my groceries today doesn’t mean the game’s not rigged …

One thing absolutely is clear. I’m up against two different game-riggers. One is the usual assortment of capitalist bastards, whose sole motive is avarice. They’re the ones who’ve enclosed the commons and thrown tollbooths up everywhere, to where people without money can’t socialize much or do much of anything else.

The other has a clearly identifiable psychological profile, and it is the mentality of a ten-year-old on the schoolyard roughing up weaker students for their lunch money and pulling on little girls’ pigtails for the lulz. And they wield a level of power somewhere between “Donald Trump from 2017 through 2020” and “Loki”. :/

Perhaps my best hope is that these two different game-riggers will sometimes interfere with each other, when they try to rig the same thing in two different ways at the same time. The other source of hope lies in chaos theory. Not even the almighty can control some things with any finesse, or predict them very far in advance. This is a known fact of mathematics. Maybe the Loki-like one will fumble a weather bomb into his own pants after pulling the pin someday.

Based on these disturbing numbers, the other one already has …

.45
.45
1 year ago

Oh, for fuck’s sake

bumblebug
bumblebug
1 year ago

@Surplus
I don’t know which of the services at this link best fits your location/demographic. But please look through them. You’re making some worrying statements and I’m concerned about your state of mind.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/mental-health-services/mental-health-get-help.html

rusalka
rusalka
1 year ago

@ Dave

But with Komesarj’s obvious serial killer vibes and nothing else on the table, I can’t see it as likely he’d manage to entrap someone.

To me that’s ironically more of an argument for his gf being a real person. Hybristophilia comes to mind. It’s very unfortunate though.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 year ago

Random thoughts:

  • It pops up in TV sitcoms and dramas all the time. A guy objects to a woman having lunch with, or some similar thing, a former boyfriend or even just any other guy; she accuses him of being controlling and not trusting her; and his response is “it’s not you I don’t trust, it’s him“. Seems to me, though, that unless the guy thinks the other guy is an outright rapist, then he indeed doesn’t trust the woman … yet the women in these things never seem to point that out, and instead let the issue slide much more often than not.
  • On the topic of TV dramas, why do DC comic based ones always seem to start out as “sci-fi with a few soap-opera elements” and, if they run for long enough, within a few years transform into “soap operas with a few sci-fi elements”? I don’t recall that being a feature of the original, dead-tree source material … the few Marvel ones (the only ones I can recall existing recently were Marvel’s Agents of Shield and Agent Carter) have not shown the same tendencies, remaining closer to the drama formula established by shows like Star Trek and Stargate.
  • The vast majority of the functions of a state, from diplomacy (aka “deciding how to divide up the spoils of exploiting the proles”) to national defense to almost everything else, are ultimately guard labor, part of its role as guarantor of the property rights and privileges of the wealthy. (If you think the state is much of a guarantor of the property rights of the non-wealthy, look up things like “asset forfeiture” and “expensive to be poor”. Much of the latter comes from police and state bureaucracy levying assorted fines and fees.) An egalitarian society would probably not be anarchic, at least at larger scales, but it would likely have much less of the trappings we associate with a “state”. If forced to coexist with non-egalitarian states, it would need territorial borders and national defense, and it would still need to be the dispute resolver of last resort, the maintainer of standards documents and weights and measures, and have some sort of coordination role for interconnection and interoperability of infrastructure even where these are managed in a generally decentralized way. Someone needs to be sitting behind a “the buck stops here” desk for any decision that has to be made consistently across a continent. Most of this stuff would be boring and bureaucratic: no cloak and dagger, no real politics, just making sure stuff works, for the most part. The egalitarian government would look something like Wikipedia’s governance, or the IETF or something, and would likely be small. Perhaps a collection of Supreme Courts, acting as final arbiters of matters ranging from interpersonal disputes to what is the exact length of 1 meter, stepping in only when the lower levels had come to contradictory results. The other thing it might include would be a “disaster stockpile” and whatever was needed to manage it, in case of an event so large (say, half the west coast is wracked by forest fires) that local and regional resources aren’t enough. So, Supreme Court + FEMA + Department of Weights and Measures, more or less, plus a mini-Pentagon if there are still aggressively avaricious societies bordering it, whose ambit would be strictly limited to defending that border. One thing I wonder is: would such a society have money? I expect it would probably not have lending-at-interest, but to solve certain scaling problems it might provide some sort of “consumption allowance” to people, and fungible, transferrable tokens that could be used to contribute into common pools to engage in collective projects, Kickstarter-style. Those sound a lot like some form of money to me. If there’s money, the government will also need to manage that in some manner, whether by standardizing it or at least by resolving disputes and ensuring interoperation when local or regional currencies need to be interconverted. In the end, at a minimum there has to be some system to make sure that people doing work are producing goods and services that other people want, instead of everyone deciding to make widgets and nobody making wodgets and ending up with a widget glut and a wodget shortage as a result. That would likely require a (heavily regulated, rather than laissez-faire) market of some sort; central planning of the Soviet sort is known to scale poorly and to do a poor job of “reading the room” regarding demand — the well known Soviet-refrigerator problem. Advertising would have to be even more heavily regulated, as the ability to manufacture demand artificially can demonstrably lead to ecologically destructive and economy-warping consumption spirals. Perhaps unsolicited advertising would be outlawed: if someone researches refrigerators they can find relevant product brochures of various manufacturing co-ops, but shoving a refrigerator ad in front of them proactively, in a context where it’s irrelevant, would be verboten, and product placements in entertainment would be required to depict the product’s appearance and performance realistically, as well as not to be blatantly tangential to the plot. (So, a refrigerator of a clearly identifiable brand in the background, or someone getting their lunch fixings out of it, would be fine, but excessively lingering on it or having a character blather about it at length like a salesman rather than acting in-character would cross the line. Paid placements might not be allowed at all, but it’s likely not possible to completely avoid some sorts of quid pro quo arrangements, even if just refrigerator firms offering entertainment firms free props in the hopes of getting seen.) Basically, the early internet norms regarding what’s considered spam would likely be applied everywhere, including traditional media. Violating those norms would result in civil penalties, restraining orders, or some such, and violating civil court rulings would maybe be the only thing besides violence to be treated as criminal.
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

I’ve been working in Hong Kong this week. It’s been a wonderful experience and my hosts (and very much new friends) are the most lovely and generous people imaginable. I did comment though on the local obsession with ensuring you are well fed. It’s like there’s a paranoia that you might have gone an hour without a major meal and waste away.

But they explained to me that the local informal greeting, the one you use for family and friends, translates as “Have you eaten?” I love that!

They were kind enough to write it down phonetically for me. So, for next time you meet someone from Hong Kong…

Si cho fan mey (Hakka dialect)

Sik fan mei (Cantonese)

Che fan le ma (Mandarin)

Full Meta
1 year ago

@Alan Robertshaw:

But they explained to me that the local informal greeting, the one you use for family and friends, translates as “Have you eaten?” I love that!
They were kind enough to write it down phonetically for me. So, for next time you meet someone from Hong Kong…


Si cho fan mey (Hakka dialect) 


Sik fan mei (Cantonese) 


Che fan le ma (Mandarin)

Moreover! What it specifically means is, “Have you eaten rice?”—that being the default, central, and archetypal foodstuff. (Whatever else you might have at a meal is a garnish to send down the rice.

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani

Dumb question: does anyone know what incident Tucker was talking about? ASSuming the video wasn’t shot as part of a movie/YouTube/TickTock/whatever and not properly labeled when uploaded, wouldn’t there be some sort up record someplace about it? Police report, hospital report, Twitter thread/blog post saying ‘Our Guy got jumped by three of Those Guys last night; what are we going to do about it?’ Just curious if anyone tracked this incident down and saw for themselves what Tucker was emoting over.

OT: anyone remember Gonzalo Lira, the pro-Russian Red Pill dating coach who disappeared in Ukraine last year? The Ukrainians found him a few days ago.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gonzalo-lira-red-pill-dating-coach-who-is-accused-of-shilling-for-putin-is-arrested-in-ukraine