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The regulars on the Purple Pill Debate subreddit are playing at science fiction again. This time they’re imagining a glorious future world where men are no longer horny and women lose their “pussy privilege.”
“If men were less horny, what would happen?” asks LeagueSucksLol.
I have an interesting thought experiment. Let’s say that starting tomorrow, men lost their sexual desire. They will only have sex for procreation and instead pursue platonic friendships with other men and material pleasures such as good food, cars, etc. How would treatment of women change? I could see women facing less sexual harassment on one hand, but on the other hand there would be a lot less guys simping for women. OnlyFans would die out.
These guys really are obsessed with OnlyFans, huh? They envision a world-shattering scenario that would probably cause humanity to go extinct, and all they can think about is its effects on OnlyFans,
Anyway, yes, the part of OnlyFans that caters to male desire would collapse without male desire. No duh. But, like most of today’s Red Pill Redditors, LeagueSucksLol forgets there’s such a thing as female desire–and that women, not all of them, but a lot of them,would be quite frustrated if all men on the planet stopped putting out. They might even start paying for male nudes.
Now, some of the commenters grok that the end of male desire would probably lead to human extinction (I mean, men are necessary for procreation after all). Others think men would have no incentive to do any work without the motivating power of possible sex. “Society as we know it would collapse,” Crafty_Letter_1719 writes.”The pursuit of sex is at the heart of why most Men do anything at all.”
But a lot of the commenters are more optimistic; LeagueSucksLol’s brave new world is clearly one they’d love to live in, even if it meant losing their sex drive entirely.
Some predict that men, free of female distraction, would do wondrous things, inventing flying cars and building colonies on Mars. Thekingofthebeastie envisions
Year 32 of the sexual reduction in men The power of our sun, Sol, is beginning to be harnessed. World hunger and Malaria is nearly eradicated, and Africa is now the largest exporter of wheat. A unified Korea joins NATO. The average life expectancy is now 125, and cancer can now be cured.
But a larger number of commenters have a much more petty reason to support LeagueSucksLol’s utopian visions: they think a world free of male desire would serve all those stuck-up sex-denying ladies their comeuppance at last.
“Female influencers, a lot of actresess and singers, and of course pornstars would need to find a job,” writes self-described “Red Pill Man” MotleyCrew1989 in the top-rated comment in the thread..
Women would have to show talent and aptitude for everything,
Women would lose pussy and preety privilege, and being insufferable or an asshole would entail real consequences for them.
LeagueSucksLol replies::
That sounds a lot more fair and equitable for society. Why don’t we try to move in that direction? There should be life paths available for men that don’t involve sex or marriage. Men should stop simping.
Dude, based on your comments in this thread, I’m thinking you already follow a life path that doesn’t involve sex. Just saying. A lot of people do, by choice or otherwise,and many of them aren’t even assholes like you.
“We would treat women the same way we treat men,” asserts Asdf333aza,
and [they] would likely call that treatment abuse. All their cries of unjustice would fall on deaf ears and men essentially won’t care.
96tillinfinity_ imagines that
there would be SIGNIFICANTLY more broke women and homeless women as they would not be able to get by as much on having a pussy and good looks. The majority of women would have to put in work to find and keep a man
Dating would balance out and onlyfans models would have to suck dick for money but there would be less demand
Again with the OnlyFans.
Essentially, life would get harder for women as society would not give them as much special treatment.
A boy can dream, huh? At least if the boy is kind of a shithead.
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@ Vicky P
During the lockdown most court hearings were done by video link (on the least secure system the govt could get). So nearly a whole year of not having to wear pants. I’m only wearing jeans here because I had the clients in the room.
Early on they had to issue a practice direction for us not to stand when the judge came online because that was the last thing they wanted to see on the screen.
@Alan Robertshaw:
The detail I’m noticing is that you bear a distinct resemblance to a bald Alan Rickman.
And I’m reminded of certain candid behind-the-scenes shots from Xianxia dramas, betraying the actors’ discomfort in those stately flowing robes in the stifling summer heat. During close-in waist-up shots, this was often what lay outside camera range:
http://64.media.tumblr.com/7dab8f398d4da47bdd048cd0c0b2dd56/3158de2fa00c4671-96/s640x960/9deec179666d7c6a1e86cecb534a6800bc2ec28b.jpg
@Alan
This is why I could never be a lawyer. Like other IT folks, I enjoy wearing a t-shirt and shorts to work. Today’s t-shirt features Princess Leia.
Back when I worked on-site, I usually wore dresses (or nice trousers), pantyhose, and the socially accepted level of cosmetics. I rebelled by wearing interesting necklaces or brooches.
ETA: And yes, on occasion I’ve “come to work” in a nightshirt or nightgown, usually because of a client wanting something done at a ridiculously early time for me. Or because I was working late. I’ve stopped doing that as a rule – last time I was working crazy hours like that, I ended up in the ICU and scaring Mr. Parasol for a couple of months. (He had reason. The survival rate for what caused him to rush me to the ER is 25% to 30%. This was a couple weeks before our anniversary, no less.)
@ FMO
I loved Alan Rickman; so thank you!
As for comfy, whenever his jackboots didn’t need to be in shot, Peter Cushing shot all his Star Wars scenes in his slippers.
And speaking of Peter Cushing…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deTGYinacYg
ETA: Ohh, Vicky P ninja’d me with a Leia reference. Spooky.
@Alan
Never underestimate the power of Carrie Fisher, who died in moonlight, strangled by her own bra.
@ Vicky P
Court dress is a pretty weird topic. One difference in the south west is that nobody robes. When I did my first hearing here I put on all the wig and gown. But the usher said “We don’t really bother with that.” So back into the suit. I asked the senior judge why that was. He said that if the barristers robed then the judges would have to robe and they didn’t want to. That’s the most lucid bit of judicial reasoning I’ve heard.
But we’re not supposed to wear any sorts of adornments. As seen here
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/judge-blasts-defence-lawyer-dressing-4126822
But I wear a particular badge. A judge asked me what it was (this was in the pub, not court). I explained that it identifies me as someone barristers can approach if they are being bullied or harassed by other barristers, or judges.
https://www.allrisethebar.co.uk/about
I said I’d wear it in court and this could all get very meta. But she said she thought it was an excellent scheme.
When our local news went with all the news/weather/sports people in their homes for quite a while, they were all wearing at most shorts under their visible suitcoats and ties or nice blouses. Now they’re back in the studio and pants are required.
@Vicky P: Bittersweet memories of Carrie. I’m sure you’ve read “The Princess Diarist”?
I first dressed up in the office (college IT nerds) in pantsuits Hillary would have rocked, but the guys were all in T’s and jeans, with sweatshirts or sweaters in winter. Except for the one guy who was in T’s, shorts, and sandals all year round. As the job went on, I too ended up in T’s. The only time suits were worn was when VIPs were there, or someone had a job interview. Most of the grad students were still wearing their high school graduation suits, and the shortest one ‘fessed up he was in his bar mitzvah suit! Our boss did wear a dress shirt and tie every day, because he had to deal with the stuffy types. Never a suit, though. And even he went less formal on volleyball game days, because we all were in clothes you could play in. For reasons of haste, I’d actually interviewed for the job in a cartoon t-shirt and jeans with a few holes; I’d come in with my friend who was in business attire and actually interviewing after we’d had lunch. She got the part-time job, but a few weeks later she got a full-time one and recommended me to them. With a deadline and having met me, they agreed. I swotted up on the necessary software over the weekend at home and printed cheat sheets.
When my husband’s IT company was bought out by one that introduced a dress code requiring non-jean trousers and shirts with collars, some of the guys actually quit. We bought a lot of polo shirts and khakis/dark cotton trousers, which is maximum-business-casual here in Silicon Valley. They used to have people from the East Coast come in for a week’s training who’d show up fast-talking, loud, doing busywork and wearing suits. Such an alien culture and they got stared at as the aliens they were. “Dude. Chill.” By the end of the week, most of them realized they didn’t have to yell and run around to get the work done and that not wearing ties and jackets is much nicer. The younger ones went native in polos. And then they all sent dolorous emails when they went back home and had to go back into suits and be needlessly hyperactive.
@Alan: I’m seeing a bit of Rickman as well. Your accent’s not like his though!
One does have to be careful. I saw a shoot where the actor did the shoe/slipper thing, and unfortunately he was running a bit straight away from camera and at the very end of the shot his feet were visible. With the wrong footwear. You could only see it if you paused and knew it was there, so it didn’t matter.
Many loud thumps on the front porch. Amazon’s here…
YMMV, but I’m usually more comfortable in skirts and the best part of an office job is having an excuse to wear them. My current office job, however, has a pretty relaxed dress code (I think they only look askance at actual shorts), with most people in jeans and t-shirts and several of the younger women in leggings. So I occasionally wear leggings and t-shirts now (I dislike jeans even more than regular trousers). I’m beginning to amass a small collection of t-shirts with graphics.
@Moon Custafer:
YMMV, but I’m usually more comfortable in skirts and the best part of an office job is having an excuse to wear them.
And thank you for a cue to unburden myself of a Surplusesque I-feel-personally-conspired-against grumble:
It’s looking as though if I want skirts of modest (calf-to-slightly-above-ankle) length, made of durable fabric that isn’t expletive deleted polyester, not from suppliers whose culture I’d risk appropriating or who regard a King James interpretation of Leviticus as a to-do list, with hemlines that people won’t be pointing and laughing at in five years as “The early 20’s called; they want their wardrobe back!”, whose target market isn’t Fairy Princess Kawaiiko-chan (an aesthetic I am neither equipped nor prepared to pull off), that I can afford (quality materials and craftsmanship by humanely treated workers cost) …I’m going to have to make them myself.
@Full Metal Ox:
Slightly A-line wrap skirts might be the way to go, in that case—that way you can at least avoid having to insert zippers.
@Moon Custafer:
Slightly A-line wrap skirts might be the way to go, in that case—that way you can at least avoid having to insert zippers.
Oh, I have a pretty good idea what my plans of attack are going to be:
(1) The Home Ec 101 skirt, consisting of a rectangle of fabric (or two stitched together, if the print runs warpwise) gathered at the waist with elastic and/or a drawstring.
(2) The sarong, big sister to the bandana and original Infinity Garment: hem a remnant and presto! (This is still something I prefer to make myself, since I’m talking a proper opaque everyday garment as distinct from the transparent vestigial butt-flap with pink seahorses that came with the swimsuit. The indigenous batik, waxprint, and ikat versions I’ve seen for sale tend to run about 60”-66”; I need about 78”-96”.)
@FM Ox: I made a wrap-around skirt in junior high home ec (out of cotton) and wore that sucker till I finally grew enough I couldn’t let it out any further. One piece of fabric with a waistband/ties out of the same material. I personally prefer dresses that hit a couple inches below the knee, because one of my knees has a big scar on it. Flowing 60s hippie skirts (not too long or full) also appeal to me when for some weird reason I need a dress.
Nowadays I’m very big on elastic or drawstrings, so your #1 is definitely my suggestion. Becoming fonder of drawstrings since elastic does have a limited life before it gets crunchy and non-stretchy. It’s some years, though. In my housecleaning, I’ve come across clothes and wondered “Is this still good?”, pull the waist out, hear the crunch and NOPE. Can’t even take it to Goodwill.
All the working women in California I know were super-happy in the 90s when it became illegal for employers to demand that women wear panty hose (except in a few narrow circumstances, like acting, dancing, and working in a casino). It’s HOT in the summer, you don’t want to encase your legs in non-breathing nylon that runs easily and costs a bit and always goes sideways at some point.
Admittedly, I’ve spent most of the past 3 years in bathrobes and drawstring/elastic pants or shorts with T’s and long-sleeved shirts or sweaters as the weather demands (My house doesn’t have AC because summers were much cooler when it was built). I wear jeans when I have to leave the Compound to forage in the Outside Lands.
Kitty likes the sweat pants best, which is what I’ve got on now and I’m covered in sleeping cat. Putting out his sleepy vibes… yawn… how do they DO that?
@GSS ex-noob:
Nowadays I’m very big on elastic or drawstrings, so your #1 is definitely my suggestion. Becoming fonder of drawstrings since elastic does have a limited life before it gets crunchy and non-stretchy. It’s some years, though. In my housecleaning, I’ve come across clothes and wondered “Is this still good?”, pull the waist out, hear the crunch and NOPE. Can’t even take it to Goodwill.
Ah, but that’s why I leave an access gap (usually buttonhole-stitched for stability) in the waistbands of garments I sew—the better to replace the used elastic and prolong the life of the garment without having to rip out any seams. (I pull out a length of the old elastic, find the point where the ends are joined, cut it, baste it to one end of the new elastic, and circle it around until the new elastic emerges at the return point. Then I join the ends of the new elastic. My apologies for lacking the technical vocabulary that might make the description clearer.)
Aiee Full Metal Ox, the times I have replaced elastic in things and it never ever occurred to me to fix the new elastic to the old elastic and pull it through!! I always did the ‘pull out the old elastic, attach a safety pin to the new elastic, painstakingly thread it through’ routine. No more! This reinforces for me the idea that there’s many ways to do lots of things, and that there’s usually also a skillful way which is more efficient.
Full Metal Ox
That is a brilliant technique! Thank you for sharing it. Although my skirt that most needs the elastic replacing has the elastic sewn onto the fabric, but it’s also a bit too long, so I’ll just chop it off and put a new peice in a casing with your button hole idea. Seriously brilliant.
@FM Ox: I was speaking of manufactured goods, which of course have no handy hole for that. It’s all stitched in or attached to the waist. My mom was a great seamstress, and all her clothing had easily-replaceable drawstrings or elastic. I learned your trick either from her or home ec, and of course buttonhole-stitched. We need more home ec in schools, dammit.
Discussing more efficient ways to change elastic is way more fun and useful than anything the red pill boys have ever said. (And I will never stop laughing that they’re locked in to terminology created by two trans women.)
@GSS ex-noob:
My middle school, back at the end of the 1970s, had classes for wood shop, etal shop, cooking, and sewing, and all four were taken by all students, boys and girls alike. (We also had typing classes, using training typewriters with blank keycaps for the letters so we had to learn how to touch-type. I’m of pretty much the last generation that learned how to type on a mechanical typewriter rather than an electronic keyboard.)
My understanding is that the school previously had been sex-segregated with shop for boys and home ec for girls, but that had been stopped years previously.
Granted, that entire school doesn’t exist anymore. It was literally at the edge of a small industrial park area, and we had to travel along a path around part of a gravel pit to get to the second playing field. Eventually the school got torn down once it broke down enough and they just built a new one elsewhere.
@ jenora
It was like that at my school. But one year some girls want to do the workshop stuff. So it was agreed that me and a couple of mates could swap with them. I made like a gilet (I did a lot of outdoor stuff so it was handy) in needlework, but in HE we just made those rice crispie chocolate things. Which I must say was a lot more appealing than getting garrotted with my tie in a lathe.
I did go back into workshop stuff in 5th form because then we had electronics and I was able to make effects pedals and stuff to rip off game cartridges.
I’m a GenXer of the age where I took home ec and boys took workshop, but my younger sisters benefited from the “all genders study everything” model – a little home ec, a little woodshop, and some other life skills stuff. Very practical, IMO.
i like to wear A-line dresses from Svaha : their products are mostly cotton and come to mid-calf or lower on me (I’m short), and I have a few in solid colors, but most of mine are geeky: rocket science equations, sentence diagrams, proofreader’s marks, etc.
They all have good pockets!!
And the necklines are a nice V on me: not plunging, but I don’t feel choked.
With those dresses plus tights from Snag, I feel like I’m in pyjamas, but it counts as work appropriate.
@Jenora: I learned to type on an IBM Selectric, which are still good machines. Typing was a required class in my high school; you couldn’t graduate without it. I took it alone in summer school so it didn’t interfere with all my other homework and I could just practice on mom’s typewriter every night. You only had to get up to 30 wpm, luckily. Mom had been the US college champion with 130 on a manual typewriter, so I continued having her type my long reports even after. I don’t think she ever forgave my older brother doing a paper on Czechoslovakia that she had to type. “You couldn’t have picked Peru?”
Needless to say, the backspace key came along just in time to save my life by keeping me from inhaling too much Liquid Paper and eraser dust. Mom in her later years typed on a computer in her volunteer work, and her speed was really blazing.
@Old School HTML:
i like to wear A-line dresses from Svaha : their products are mostly cotton and come to mid-calf or lower on me (I’m short), and I have a few in solid colors, but most of mine are geeky: rocket science equations, sentence diagrams, proofreader’s marks, etc.
Which prompted me to check out their website, whereupon I jumped to a rapid conclusion about their fashion role model—one proven correct as I scrolled down.
https://svahausa.com/blogs/svaha/seat-belts-everyone-a-look-at-our-role-models
@Full Metal Ox
I have to think of Captain Picard… but I’m, uh, a bit disadvantaged with face recognition, so yeah xD
@KMB:
I have to think of Captain Picard… but I’m, uh, a bit disadvantaged with face recognition, so yeah xD
Alan, you mean? I can see Sir Patrick Stewart, too.
We are both from Yorkshire.
“Appen we should mek it so.”
ETA: Sir P’s real accent.