In the wake of a racist tirade from Dilbert creator Scott Adams, the white nationalists at Counter-Currents are urging the cartoonist and right-wing bloviator to go all the way and embrace white identity politics.
In a livestream last week, Adams declared black Americans a hate group and advised whites to “get the fuck away” from blacks by moving to all-white neighborhoods– “just get as much distance as you can.” He suggested that white people stop trying to help black people entirely and complained that
every damn day, I look on social media, and there’s some black person beating the shit out of some white person. I’m kind of over it. I’m over it, alright? So I quit.
The tirade has gotten Adams canceled, big time, with hundreds of papers dropping his no longer funny strip. He’s also lost a book deal. Naturally, he’s responded not by apologizing but by whining. He’s feeling very victimized by the whole thing.
But in the process, he’s made himself some new friends on the far right, who are urging him to lean in on the whole racism thing and become an official white nationalist. In the virtual pages of the white nationalist Counter-Currents site, Spencer J. Quinn has penned an open letter to Adams, thanking him for his video and urging him to embrace his white identity.
Quinn tells Adams that the views put forth in his video are “perfectly congruent with White Nationalism” and that he agrees with all of them, from the assertion that black Americans are a hate group to Adams’ complaint about videos featuring black people beating up on whites. “So, I agree with you,” writes Quinn.
There is no fixing this problem — at least not according to how our current society is organized. As you say, the best advice for white people is to escape blacks.
Well, guess what? That is exactly the platform of White Nationalism! If you read Counter-Currents at all, you will realize that White Nationalists want escape as much as you do. They want it so bad they push for outright secession from our modern liberal democracies, which actively encourage racial diversity and tacitly support the anti-whiteism that you so heartily deplore. Why not try to get away from these people?
Quinn complains that
the black power structure in America seeks to do two things above all: consolidate black territory in cities through an indulgent attitude towards crime, poverty, and corruption (which serves to keep non-blacks out), as well as invade white spaces … forc[ing] once-implicitly white organizations as diverse as the National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing , National Aeronautics and Space Administration, [and the] Society for Creative Anachronism … to bend the knee to black inclusion ….
Forsooth, they’re taking over the Society for Creative Anachronism! Where, my lords and ladies, will it end?
But Quinn has criticisms as well, suggesting that Adams’ explicit rejection of “white supremacy” means he’s “not being serious” because, as a rich cartoonist, he isn’t in the trenches in the race war like less-well-off whites. “Please remember,” Quinn urges,
that most whites don’t have such privilege. When blacks … invade their spaces, either at work or in their neighborhoods, there are only so many places to which these whites can escape. And the aim of the American black power structure is to one day prevent escape for them entirely. Blacks want access to whites, plain and simple.
And then he returns to the alleged scourge of anti-white violence.
Also, don’t you think that membership in some “white supremacist” (read: pro-white) group would have actually come in handy for the victims in those “beat up whitey” videos you complain about? Wouldn’t you at least lend your support to a group designed to prevent this sort of violence to begin with? You cannot possibly believe it is just desserts that these white victims have no one to whom they can turn.
Quinn concludes, trying to guilt-trip Adams into becoming a full-on white supremacist–sorry, white nationalist.
Since White Nationalism takes the needs and desires of these forsaken whites into account, it is a highly moral position to hold. You advise white people to stay away from blacks, and that’s great. But White Nationalists are the only people working on ways to actually make that a reality for all whites, especially the ones who lack the means to follow your advice. This is the difference between someone who dabbles in racial identity and people who truly take it seriously.
Quinn makes it clear that all Adams needs to do is to embrace the words “white nationalism,” at which point he will become instantly “serious” and have a whole new set of friends for life.
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He once said that when he was ready to retire, he’d say something outrageous to get himself dropped. But if he lost a book deal over this, it doesn’t sound planned.
May he sink quietly into obscurity.
Possibly the least surprising thing to happen in the history of the universe.
We accept you, one of us. Gooble-gobble, one of us!
An allusion that insults Todd Browning’s titular Freaks—the heroes of that movie, outcasts of varying flavors of queerness and disability who were extending acceptance in good faith to someone thinking only of exploiting them. (And who seduced, belittled, betrayed, and attempted to murder one of their number; the narrative is firmly on the side of the Freaks’ grotesque vengeance.)
“Our spaces”. I’m not entirely sure I want to know what white supremacists consider to be whites-only spaces. But I suspect that at minimum they would consider well-paying jobs, particularly those typically held by men, to exist within “their spaces”, and probably a lot of commercial social and cultural environments (bars, sports stadiums, and music halls immediately leap to mind as likely possibilities) as well.
I honestly thought him losing his son to Fentanyl Overdose would cause him to reassess his life choices and world views. But it’s clear he chooses to be a bitter, bigoted old man regardless of how much it has harmed his financial prospects and career.
Funny, I was under the impression he’d joined them already.
Ah, so privilege exists all of a sudden? I know these guys are insincere sneering scum that coopt whatever terminology they can mangle to sound like they have any genuine social concerns, but this still stood out to me.
Dear gods, I’d say the majority of the SCA considers nazis to be the invasive species, trying to force the rest of us to bend a knee to their psuedo-history.
I know at least two Black SCAdians—while still very much a minority within the organization, they’ve been around for decades, and definitely have more historical knowledge and skills than this Quinn guy.
Who?
Anybody who thinks black people don’t belong in the SCA needs to, at the very least, re-read The Tragedy of Othello, the Moor of Venice. (Admittedly there’s insufficient detail in the play to indicate specifically where Othello was from, but he was at least a man of darker complexion working as a military commander. ‘Moor’ was a pretty generic term.) Though I don’t expect them to have any self-awareness about Iago’s rather common and blatant use of de-humanizing terminology.
Of course, there were far more ‘Moors’ in Europe prior to that time period anyway, including running most of what are now Spain and Portugal for a few centuries.
Isn’t the whole point of SCA that it’s not historically accurate? I don’t know much about it but I’m just picking up on the creative and anachronism bits. So it should be anything goes.
Of course one issue is that a lot of what people think about history isn’t correct anyway. There were black Vikings for example.
So I imagine the bigger problem is coming up with something that is actually anachronistic.
@Alan:
True.
I was mostly pointing out that even if you accepted ‘it isn’t realistic’ as a valid reason to complain (which is not exactly a non-contentious issue within the SCA) it’s still wrong. A ‘steelman’ argument. My understanding that ‘even if we accept all the plaintiff’s claims as fact they still have no case so there’s no point in actually arguing about the facts’ is a not unknown legal tactic.
There have been complaints that female warrior characters in D&D are ‘unrealistic’, after all. Never discount the ability of misogynists to completely disregard both actual history and the fact that we weren’t talking about actual history anyway, while simultaneously trying to complain that something ‘isn’t realistic’.
“[and the] Society for Creative Anachronism … to bend the knee to black inclusion”
This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I used to hang around the SCA people in college (though I never joined up) and I know for sure and from personal experience that the SCA had Black members going back more than forty years ago, which has got to be longer than this numbskull has been alive. He needs to do some research. Fool.
@ jenora
Indeed. It’s very common, because of the costs savings, in both criminal (“no case to answer”) and civil proceedings (summary judgment/strike out).
The basic test is ‘taken at its highest’; so for the purpose of the application the court assumes that every aspect of the respondent’s case is correct and true. The applicant then says ‘even if it is, they still would lose’.
But on the main topic, I’m a bit of a history geek (for certain periods anyway). And I am a big fan of those counter intuitive aspects that people aren’t necessarily familiar with*. I’m surprisingly unpunched for someone who uses “Actually…” as much as I do in pub discussions.
So when I see people arguing against the presence of certain individuals in historical works it annoys me less as an SJW and more as a pedant.
(* I’m sure people here are more than used to my ‘everything you think you know about the Titanic is wrong…’ thing)
Like bekabot, I never joined the SCA but I’ve hung out with plenty of SCA members in my time, including a very nice couple who were the local baron and baroness a few years back. Since the SCA folk I hung out with were fighters (I was fencing at the time), most of our conversations were about weapons and armor, and also how if you’re up at Pennsic or other major gathering, you don’t stare at anybody if you’re in the communal shower/bathing area.
Pobody’s nerfect, of course, but the SCA folk I’ve known are in general pretty respectful and conscious of both physical and emotional safety. Good crowd.
Why are you concentrating on SCA? There have been Black race car drivers since there were cars, and yet this bigot is saying that it’s unfair that NASCAR is no longer allowed to be “implicitly” white, as it once was. Yes, very implicitly. Kind of like how baseball was implicitly white, because blacks were strongly encouraged to join the Negro Leagues.
@Dave
Probably because there’s more SCA adjacent people here than NASCAR fans.
Also Black bootleggers, directly relevant to NASCAR in that NASCAR started with bootleggers racing each other in the souped-up cars they used to outrun the cops.
Been away for a while, but the latest dilbert-drama reminded me to archive-dive, so there may be some retro-commenting. Had to share this though:
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I suppose it’s peripherally related, what with the Dukes of Hazzard being bootleggers; but the General Lee was originally going to be Confederate grey.
That didn’t stand out enough on screen though, so they added the scene about having to paint it for a race. It became orange as that was the only paint they had on set at the time.
But luckily that avoided any controversy about the car’s paint scheme…oh.
Wait, what? Is this chud posting from Wakanda? Is Wakanda real?! That would be awesome!
Magic that actually works is okay, actual dragons that breathe actual fire are okay, but women warriors are a bridge too far?
Meanwhile,
https://www.science.org/content/article/archaeologists-unearth-graves-ancient-warrior-women-russia
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/tomb-containing-three-generations-amazon-warrior-women-unearthed-russia-180973877/
https://www.outlookindia.com/outlooktraveller/travelnews/story/71282/archaeologists-uncover-the-graves-of-four-syncthian-women-warriors
…
Seems like female warriors were everywhere in the ancient world, from Scandinavia to Russia and Greece and beyond.
@surplus:
You’re forgetting that they lack historical verisimilitude.
@Surplus
It’s always wild to me how bigots pretend a world full of functional magic wouldn’t have different gender dynamics. Like oh, men have more upper body strength? In DnD there is a spell that gives someone the literal strength of a bull for several minutes. A lot of fantasy worlds shoehorn in “magic resistance” as a way to disempower women (since women tend to be spellcasters), but even then it’s dodgy, and winds up looking like the stupid character shield it usually is.
@Surplus
those guys would probably love the failed RPG known as Fatal. from what I understand the rule actually forbid woman player character and most female NPCs are just sex slaves.
@Surplus to Requirements, Crip Dyke:
Yes, Vox Day’s little rant was one of the things I had been thinking of when I commented on the ‘unrealistic’ bit about D&D. That and some of the pretty explicit racism in the ‘nuTSR’ thing going on where one of Gygax’ sons got involved with a group that’s trying to brand itself as the ‘true’ heir to the original TSR and (mostly unsuccessfully) sell themselves as a game company.
Sadly, yes, there are multiple examples of people for whom magic and elves are just fine but women acting as warriors are ‘unrealistic’, despite the fact that more recent analysis showed things like ‘oh, those viking skeletons that we thought were just a bit on the short side? Turn out that a lot of them were almost certainly women.’
The history that some of these guys try to claim is at least as anachronistic as a good chunk of what the SCA does.