A Reddit “Red Piller” has come up with yet another reason why women should feel obligated to have sex with men they don’t want to have sex with: because if they don’t, the men will be driven to betray their “tribe.”
“When men are unable to get a wife, ultimately they will resort to betraying their tribe, this is how Ephialtes betrayed spartans, it is because he couldnt get laid,” declares HardTruthssss in the Purple Pill Debate subreddit.
A single man sees he is unable to continue his family genetic continuity, he will know whatever he do he wont be able to continue its genetic legacy in the tribe, so he will be lured to betray his tribe, either the enemy offers him to integrate into their tribe and he gets a wife to continue his genetic legacy or he is bribed by rewards, he doesnt care anymore, his genetic legacy doesnt live in the tribe anymore so he gives a damn what happens to the tribe.
No one cares this much about their “genetic legacy”–not even those who like to talk about preserving their “genetic legacy” when what they’re really complaining about is their inability to get laid.
History is full of these examples where lonely men at betraying their nations, enemies tend to offer wives and gf in order to earn his loyalty …
Spy agencies do indeed try to lure men into espionage work with “honey traps.” This has about as much relevance to the ordinary incel as does deodorant.
this is why in Europe, deals between the nations was done by marriages, they married princes with princesses from different nations in order to seal their alliances, since a paper is just a paper and it needs a stronger bond that is why marriages were made.
You can see in all history, in all cultures, civilizations, etc alliances and alike between nations was done by marriing different groups in order to seal those alliances.
Yeah, the royalty did this. Commoners didn’t, though they often used marriage to cement loyalties between families of the same “tribe.” Also, we’re not ruled by royalty any more.
Now 1/3 of male population is single, they can be bribed by the chinese in order to betray their nations, chinese can tell the communist chinese women that in order to secure geopolitical objectives they should become the waifu of lonely single western men.
I promise you that Chinese women aren’t out there luring incels into secret lives as enemy agents.
Governments know this, this is why a requeriment to be a diplomat is marrying a woman of his same nationality, they dont allow diplomats to marry foreign women.
As far as I can tell from a little Googling, this isn’t true, though potential foreign spouses will have to undergo some sort of security clearance process.
In a followup comment, HardTruthssss insists that
the west are having their best men, more productive turn into traitors. They are not weeding the bad, they are weeding the good.
This is not happening. And even if it were, incels are hardly our “best men” by any standards.
But you have to give HardTruthssss some points for creativity for this one; it’s an argument I haven’t seen before and believe me, I’ve seen plenty.
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The US diplomatic service put meeting a potential spouse as one of the perks of the job.
That was my first thought. How many incels are actually in a position to interest Chinese spies?
Ephialtes betrayed Sparta for money, and because he thought Persia would win. He wasn’t an incel. There’s no evidence he wasn’t getting laid.
What even is this?
Lol “family genetic continuity.” Your genes are meaningless, incel. Not because you’re an incel (it’s not a genetic thing), but because the earth has enough people. More than enough. We’re not trying to populate the planet, we’re not in tribes, and whether or not you (or I, or pretty much anyone else) procreate doesn’t matter at all.
Learn some empathy and get the hell away from other incels. Do things you enjoy around others who also enjoy it. Even if you don’t find a wife, you’ll make friends and find a community.
@Dave: And the way Spartans lived, he might not have been much interested in girls anyway…
Also, incel/MRAs go around betraying their country all the time, as we see with Proud Boys, etc.
China isn’t going to let one of its too-few women go date someone who’s still living in his mom’s basement and has no access to anything important. Plus most incels only want White women. And also “waifu” is a Japanese neologism, but I’m sure the incels think all Asians are the same. Plus a “waifu” is an imaginary character anyway. So, y’know, the only waifu these losers are ever going to have is a piece of media or merchandise.
Benny Arnold was a self-aggrandizing egotist who was also deeply in debt even after stealing funds from the Continental government. Sounds like perfect traitor material to me. In the end, the British stiffed him on the promised cash payment, and after the war was over, even they hated him.
Umm…I thought China’s one-child policy and entrenched sexism created a male surplus in the millennial-to-Zoomer age bracket? (The consequent crackpot incel theory could be that C-idol Changs are conspiring to honey-trap White Western women.)
China has a woman shortage as it is, what the hell is he talking about?
I don’t get why these incels aren’t satisfied with masturbation.
David, have you been following the #passportbros drama? Basically incels and sundry American women haters going abroad to get laid by “more feminine” women.
As has already been said, some how I can’t see any incels having access to the sort of information foreign governments would be interested in, it sounds far more like a fantasy, which pretty much covers most incel rants.
Or maybe he could grow a backbone and a conscience.
In the movie The 300 Spartans (1962), Ephialtes betrays Sparta to Persia because he is spurned by a Spartan woman. He is actually from Trachis, so a Spartan woman is from a different tribe.
Also, let me be a terrible warning- I have been married to, and controlled by, a Chinese (well, Taiwanese ) woman for 35 years, and have seen many Western men come through looking for a submissive ‘docile’ Asian wife- they’re usually in for a big surprise,
Apparently this author is unaware of the East German practice of sending male “Romeo agents” to seduce single women in West Germany. I guess it was the duty of West German men to marry single West German women to stop them from betraying their “tribe.”
@GSS ex-noob: “And also ‘waifu’ is a Japanese neologism, but I’m sure the incels think all Asians are the same.”
Yeah, I was wondering how much Chinese women would like being labeled with a Japanese cultural stereotype, and I’m guessing not very much?
And it never ceases to amaze me how incels are voluntarily appropriating, on behalf of single men, more and more aspects of the “bitter old maid” stereotypes that single women are congratulating ourselves on getting rid of.
It used to be assumed that women were the ones who needed to satisfy their essential uncontrollable maternal cravings with marriage and motherhood, or else they’d turn into poisonous harridans eternally taking out their resentment on those around them. Now, apparently, it’s the man who’s helplessly in thrall to an instinctive need to “continue his genetic legacy”, and if he doesn’t get the opportunity then he’ll become an antisocial monster.
Really, guys, you need to be careful how you’re embracing all these “bitter old maid” stereotypes. It may be all passive-aggressive fun and games when you’re the ones making up these stories about yourselves to facilitate your sulking and whining and resentful threatening about your lack of romance. But it won’t be as fun once the stereotypes get embedded in popular perception and cause people automatically to despise and distrust you.
Other cultures also expect much more participation and sharing of resources than “rugged individualism” cultures. An isolated couple couple living on their own cut off from other families members and only calling once or twice a month is not going to cut it. Very often a marriage is between two families who are very much involved with the couple, often with some relatives living with the couple and financially dependent on them. These holed up in the basement rugged individualists expect to bring a foreign wife into the basement with them.
Yeah, Benedict Arnold didn’t do it for the nookie; he was long since married. Though one could make a good argument that the marriage indirectly led to his betrayal, specifically the fact that he married into a much richer family.
Partly this was him attempting to live up to the lifestle of his wife’s family, which resulted (as GSS ex-noob mentioned) him being seriously in debt. Arnold had always been a bit of a social climber.
And partly because a lot of the Southern ‘gentlemen’ absolutely loathed Arnold for having risen ‘above his station’. These were the people who were just fine with feudalism and considered it the natural order of things: they didn’t bankroll the revolution because they were interested in what they considered the passing fad of democracy, they bankrolled it because the king was refusing to grant them the landed noble titles they felt they deserved, and they figured setting up their own monarchy over here would give them that. But it also meant they saw Arnold as a jumped-up peasant who was daring to give orders to his betters (Arnold had kicked one of those ‘gentlemen’s sons out of the army for being a dumbass who assumed he would be an officer without doing anything just because of his father) and they used the opportunity when he was injured at a major battle to get Arnold bypassed in the army.
So Arnold, at least, felt his country had betrayed him before he betrayed it. Which is not to deny that he also did it for the money, but it certainly made going for the money a much easier decision for him. And yeah, he got screwed over afterward, but he didn’t do himself any favours there either. Somebody who’s a social climber obviously doesn’t do well once cut off from all his social connections, and he hadn’t thought about that result.
(One of my ancestors was apparently Arnold’s aide-de-camp, who settled in New Brunswick afterward and lived a fairly happy life not having to worry about any of that crap anymore.)
…chinese can tell the communist chinese women that in order to secure geopolitical objectives they should become the waifu of lonely single western men.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA Chinese women can serve their country’s interests far more effectively by other means. Even the most phallocratic Chinese men know that.
@LIAWN:
Because that won’t confer the status among other men that having a wife or girlfriend will.
How in the hell do they ever find the privacy for sex then? Noting that if they don’t, this arrangement, and the families’ bloodlines, will end with that generation …
@Kimstu:
Leaving aside the splash damage that will do to all the other long-term single men who don’t subscribe to incel ideology …
@Jenora Feuer:
Classism 0 – 1 Karl Marx
Apparently the british government decided to block a scottish gender reform bill. This was apparently unprecedented. Because the act supposedly undermined UK equality law. I take it Alan could say something more insightful here. ‘Cuz it looks to me like they disregard scottish independence to just be bigots, but I don’t know the ins an outs of how specific countries in the UK relate to the UK as a whole.
They manage. Cultures that live like this are the most populous. While rugged individual nuclear family cultures are not “breeding at replacements rates” at this point. That’s what the whole halabalu is about with “the great replacement” narrative amongst white supremacists.
@FM Ox: Pfff. They don’t think Changs are Manly enough to attract Stacies. Or that women have important jobs.
Meanwhile, all their buzzwords come from Russia. Or did; the troll farms are probably busy now with telling everyone how the war in Ukraine is going so well for them. Of COURSE Vlad planned for his 6 week invasion to go on for a year, da!
@galanx: I find there’s nobody scarier on public transit that the older Chinese women. Often sitting with their meek husbands. The (quite literal) Black gangstas don’t mess with them. A woman from Hong Kong accosted me in the public library and made me help her with her ESL homework. I was powerless.
@kimstu: They have the stereotypical bitter old maid complaints, but express them like whiny children.
@Battering Lamb: Looks that way to me, too. But a random sample of um, me and several of my friends, found Scotland much more congenial than England. I say all the bits should break away and leave England to its own self-inflicted misery. Wales and maybe Cornwall too. Despite whining Unionists, NI would do much better reunited with Eire, although the Irish probably don’t want to have to support them.
@ battering lamb
The starting position is that Scotland has its own Parliament. That can vote on ‘devolved’ matters. That is to say, matters that only concern Scotland.
So for example, Scotland can set its own fees for Scottish universities, but can’t order a Scottish army regiment to deploy somewhere. Matters that affect the UK as a whole are determined in Parliament.
So Scotland has both MSPs who sit in the Scottish Parliament, and MPs who sit in the UK parliament in Westminster.
The Gender Recognition Act, which sets out the law on GRCs, was a national act passed in Westminster that applies to the whole of the UK.
So the technical legal argument is that the Scottish Parliament can’t amend the GRA unilaterally. That can only be done in the full UK parliament. The theory being that things like GRCs (or marriage certificates etc) should have the same affect across the nation as a whole. Like you don’t come south of the border and suddenly your gender changes.
Of course one can speculate as to why the UK Govt chose this particular hill to die on.
Aside from the underlying moral issue, this is pretty important constitutionally. Even people disinterested in the rights of trans people might not like what they see as the ‘English’ parliament overruling local democracy.
(This also cropped up with abortion in Northern Ireland. The UK govt could have overruled the Stormont Assembly; but that raised all sorts of issues about colonialism and home rule)
Really be one for the history books though if trans people finally break up the Union. (which I think is inevitable within a generation anyway)
But all the boring law stuff here…
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/section-35-of-the-scotland-act-and-vetoing-devolved-legislation/
@Alan: Thanks for the elaboration!
@ battering lamb
I’m glad I was able to assist.
(Apparently we’re meant to say that, rather than ‘no problem’; for mental health reasons.)
@Kimstu, you make a good point about the “bitter old maid” stereotype. The difference with inches is, that stereotype was intended to motivate women to make themselves more pleasing to men, in order to avoid spinsterhood, not to demand that men start forcing themselves to sleep with unattractive women in order to keep them from becoming a threat to society. Incels, as usual, get everything ass-backwards
Adam Wagner, who is a very clever human rights barrister, has started a twitter thread on the Scotland devolution point. He usually attracts all the smartest best informed people to comment. So it might well be worth monitoring for more info.
https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1