A chilling new story in Vice reports that Andrew Tate, currently occupying a jail cell in Romania, “was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault and physical abuse in 2015 while he and his brother were running a webcam sex business out of the UK, VICE World News can reveal.”
Unfortunately, UK police dragged out the investigation for four years before handing the case over to the Crown Prosecution Service, which declined to prosecute. Now two women who were the alleged victims in the case are talking to Vice News, telling the news outlet that
they were violently abused – one raped, the other repeatedly strangled – by Andrew Tate, and that UK police and the Crown Prosecution Service mishandled their case, leaving him free to rise to global fame on the back of his unchecked misogyny.
Tate denies the charges.
Had Tate been convicted of these alleged crimes, the world would have been spared the spectacle of Andrew Tate, role model to teenage boys and poster child of toxic masculinity–and his alleged human trafficking in Romania would never have taken place.
According to the two women, Tate’s modus operandi for manipulating women into doing webcam pornography was the same in both the UK and Romania: he would convince the women that they were his girlfriends and then move to put them on camera through what Romanian officials say was “physical violence and mental coercion.” Vice notes that Tate essentially bragged about doing something akin to this (minus the bits about violence and coercion) on now-deleted pages of his own website.
“My job was to meet a girl, go on a few dates, sleep with her, test if she’s quality. Get her to fall in love with me to where she’d do anything I say, and then get her on webcam so we could become rich together,” the website said.
One of the IK accusers told Vice News that Tate was often violent with his “employees.”
Tate repeatedly assaulted the women who worked for him, said Sally, choking her on at least five occasions, while she witnessed him do the same to her co-workers at least 10 times. The attacks were in keeping with the dominant, controlling “pimp” persona he cultivated …
The alleged abuse took other forms as well. “I saw him smack girls with a belt. I witnessed him doing it to one of the girls I was staying with, because she wanted a lie-in….”
On another occasion, she said she witnessed Tate rape her friend Helen.
The two women left Tate’s webcam business shortly after the alleged rape and went to the Hertfordshire police–only to see the investigation stalled and their case ignominiously dropped by the Crown Prosecution Service.
The Vice News story has many more details and is well worth reading in its entirety. Vice is also preparing a documentary on Tate which will include interviews with both women.
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I lived there in Hertfordshire in this time frame. Just wow. The UK police seem to have an issue with women reporting assault. Sarah Everard wasn’t a fluke.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/03/uk/everard-uk-police-gbr-cmd-intl/index.html
And it’s going to get worse. We have a government that plays up the ‘tough on crime’ rhetoric; yet is refusing to fund an already broken criminal justice system. The party of ‘law & order’ cut police numbers by 20,000. And that doesn’t include things like not replacing retired officers.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/justice-system-crisis-uk-prosecutions-cps-shortage-police-funding-spending-a9195866.html
And it’s just as bad when it gets to court. The CPS is chronically underfunded and understaffed. And self employed barristers (who prosecute the bulk of serious cases) are just leaving the criminal Bar altogether. Nobody is going to take on the work involved in a serious case for £6.25 an hour.
https://www.barcouncil.org.uk/resource/government-paying-junior-barristers-less-than-national-minimum-wage.html
It’s not ‘will break down’ though; it has broken down. Every day my criminal Bar friends tell me of turning up for trial, but no courtroom or judge available. At a court I used to regularly frequent, only 1 of 8 courtrooms was in operation today.
https://www.barcouncil.org.uk/uploads/assets/88a28ac3-5866-4d73-99ecb9b05c03c815/Bar-Council-Access-denied-November-2022.pdf
But for the right there’s no votes in paying lawyers to defend criminals, and for the left there’s no votes in funding the police and prosecutors. So criminal justice is a Cinderella service.
ETA: As for rape cases specifically, the govt told the CPS to drop everything expect sure fire winners so they can claim high conviction rates.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/sep/24/prosecutors-rape-cases-cps-crown-prosecution-service-conviction-rates
In a touch of synchronicity this just popped up on Twitter (or it’s the algorithm spying on us)
https://www.cityam.com/lack-of-prosecutors-threatens-to-worsen-uks-court-backlogs-criminal-bar-association-warns/
@Alan Robertshaw
And I thought that the criminal justice system couldn’t be any more of a farce. Guess we all have to live and learn.
David,
Thanks for your hard work in reporting these nasty men!
I couldn’t believe it myself but some of these mysoginists hate women so much that they now advise each other to visit transgender women in SE Asia!
https://blog.aaronsleazy.com/index.php/2023/01/05/guest-post-the-case-for-lady-boys-by-p-ray/
“I witnessed him doing it to one of the girls I was staying with, because she wanted a lie-in…”
What is a lie-in?
And this is the same guy out here preaching morality and halal to the world. Why do “family values” grifters like Jedidiah Bila, Patrick Bet David and Pearl Davis worship and platform him?
Milotha, from your link;
and
Tate, his fanboys, the Manosphere, the “family values” grifters and others in that Vinn Diagram are all in the “Covid as Globalist Matrix Control” camp yet we never heard anything from them about this, now did we?
@Love
A lazy morning where you lie around in bed after you wake up instead of getting up to do things right away.
What is a lie-in?
A lie-in is just to stay in bed and rest a bit longer before getting up.
I have aunts, uncles and cousins in the UK and been there several times and never heard that expression! Amazin!
Bit like a tee-gah; but not as stripy.
Speaking of which, I love how the journalist resolved any possible ambiguity with the subheadline here.
@Alan
That’s horrifying but also somehow unsurprising. The UK criminal ‘justice’ system.
Not the lion. The lion’s cool. Well, warm. You know.
That’s awful. I wonder if the UK women can file amicus briefs in Tate’s Romanian trial.
So, should we defund, or not? Maybe there’s both too little and too much defunding?
Here’s the thing. “Family values”, to anyone who claims that phrase as part of their ideology, refers to the 97th Rule of Acquisition: “Exploitation begins at home”. Women are men’s playthings and domestic servants. Sons are vessels to be filled with daddy’s ego and become extensions of himself. Daughters are to be raised to be easily exploited, then sold to the highest bidder. That sort of thing. It’s patriarchy; it’s misogyny. Tate fits right in with that picture.
I definitely believe this. I mean he stated one of his reasons for going to Romania was around their lax laws / hanging of sexual assault claims. Nobody makes that a basis for migration unless they are engaging in that kind of behaviour.
@Love Is All We Need
That’s so funny! Yes “have a lie-in” is a very typically UK expression – we use it all the time!
Funny thing is I never imagined it as being country specific. I just imagined all English speakers use it. They also use the phrase in Oz
@Steph Tohill
Here in the US, we “sleep in.” For example, I might say, “I’m going to sleep in on Saturday.”
There’s a globally famous book—admittedly an Irishman’s creation—about a Romanian who assumed that he had a license to prey on all he surveyed. I seem to recall his being done in with extreme prejudice by an international task force.
(Dracula Daily was a 2022 Tumblr project wherein the letters in the novel were serialized in daily chronological order; a lot of first-time readers discovered that the original book portrays him as a creepy old predator and not a Magic Vampire Dream Date come to save you from your stodgy repression.)
@ Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
A lie-in covers more than just sleeping late, possibilities include anything you can do in bed. My lie-in this morning included breakfast in bed (thank you Mr J), and some reading. Unusually for me it didn’t include any dozing. When my mum was ill with metastatic cancer she would spend the morning in bed, after my dad brought her breakfast she would read, write letters, pay bills and chat to friends on the phone; if one of us was home she’d chat to us, she didn’t need more sleeep, but she didn’t have the energy to be up and doing all day
@Jazzlet
Thanks for the clarification. I’m sorry to hear about your mother.
OT: has anyone here been following the Speaker vote in the US House of Representatives? As of last night Kevin McCarthy had failed 11 times to gain enough votes to get the seat. According to my skimming of the matter, the last time it took more than one try to seat a Speaker it was back in the 1920’s.
McCarthy’s roadblock is the House Freedom Caucus, the group that counts Gaetz, Greene, and Bobart as members. Evidently they want guaranteed spots on the best committees (jumping over everyone else on the waiting lists for those seats?) or else they won’t vote for McCarthy at all.
The conservative version of ‘the perfect is the enemy of the good’, methinks.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna64361
Meanwhile the House Democrats are sitting in their seats, literally laughing, pointing, and eating popcorn.
ETA: timer messed up on me, so I couldn’t add this in to the other post. :/
Record for most attempts at seating a Speaker is 133, done a few months before the start of the US Civil War. Make of that what you will of what might be coming up in the next few months for the US.
Well, the idea behind defunding the police is to spend that money on investing in other essential social services that are currently covered by the police. It doesn’t seem like that is the idea behind these budget cuts, which are probably motivated by lowering taxes or something (if I’m too far off, please let me know.).
Here in the United States a lot of Black women absolutely do not want the police defunded. Check out our country’s black femicide rates.
@Full Metal Ox:
Kari Maaren (a Toronto-local author, filk singer, and the cartoonist of ‘West of Bathurst’) wrote a song called ‘Kids These Days’, which is basically Dracula griping in song about all the Twilight-inspired vampires and considering becoming a hunter himself just to thin the herd and bring some proper respect and fear back into being a vampire.