Life is tough for nice guys in our cold, hard world. Consider this poor fellow I found posting on Incels.is.
Clearly, women reject this guy just because he’s so nice. Not because he calls them “toilets.” Not because he’s a raging homophobe and antisemite. Not because he seethes with jealousy and violent rage and wants to murder them with a hammer. No, it couldn’t be any of that. It’s gotta be the niceness.
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Let’s just admit the internet has been a giant failure. That group polarization has resulted in radicalization of these narcissistic, entitled, insecure, sheltered misogynistic man-children. They cannot exist in this world and no one wants them. The mental health system has been gutted and cannot deal with them and covid has exacerbated their isolation. We need a new Australia to send them all too. Maybe Musk could colonize Mars with all his incel followers.
I’m reposting the comment below here (you can delete it from the other thread), since I just read on Reddit that this guy (Ivan Throne) is alleged to have egged on a spree shooter. Please check out his site. It seems like some sort of paramilitary operation, though the language is vague enough to keep one wondering if it’s for real or some sort of joke. Although on Linkdin he has company hires.
@David Futrelle
Remember the 21 Convention? Recently Anthony “Dream” Johnson banned Ivan Throne from all future events. Ivan has been speaking at 21 Convention for many years. Appearantly he gave a speech at the last one that freaked the attendees and other speakers out. He also sold his latest book there which Anthony warned everyone not to read. A partial transcript of his speech is on Reddit and although hokey (like everything in the Manosphere) reads like nothing more than typical bloviation. HOWEVER, I googled the guy and came across this creepy, vaguely worded website about “The Company” that he owns with an office in the World Trade Center. It has wording like…
“Throne Dynamics trains strong, capable leaders to deliver global eternal legacy. The Company delivers full spectrum dominance consulting for world class outcomes in noncooperative arenas.”
Global eternal legacy? Noncooperative arenas? WTF?
It gets weirder as you click through the various categories on the site.
All of the wording is vague enough so you can’t pinpoint exactly what this “company” is doing, but ominous enough so you no it’s nothing good.
https://www.thronedynamics.com/
He & I have very different definitions of “nice”.
Toilets hate me too. Or at least it seems that way. That’s what it’s like when you have irritable bowel syndrome.
I, too, hate toilets, but that’s because some doofus engineered them all like everyone has extremely long legs (or at least the calf part) so I feel like a child sitting on the grown-up potties. My secret (no longer) thought is that many women find public toilets too tall and that they are probably installed at the same uniform height as male bathrooms, but I never compared or did a survey of women’s opinions.
This guy, though, reminds me of an ex-friend I had who couldn’t understand why one little “joke” that he could easily rape me, which he refused to apologize for, would wipe out three years of friendship.
I didn’t see the anti-semitism in this quote. I mean, none of it was redeemable or even remotely nice, but could someone fill me in on what was antisemitic? Because I feel like I may have some holes in my knowledge there.
Edit: Never mind. It wasn’t in the screed itself. That’s what I get for generally skipping past the name and self-assigned titles of these jerks.
He’s pissed off when inanimate objects don’t love him back?
Yet another poor soul who doesn’t seem to have thought things through.
Not a rare condition: their name is legion.
this guy sounds so nice. an absolute gentleman. there’s no chance that he, himself, would engage in any type of abusive behavior because he values
womentoiletsThe avatar is a big clue too. I don’t suppose this chud ever stopped to consider what the movement he’s fanboying over would have done to any Pakistanis who fell into their clutches?
It doesn’t surprise me that toilets hate this guy. They have to deal with his crap every day.
@ Big Titty Demon
Tables are too high too. We need to bring back one 19th-century practice: making furniture specifically for women. They weren’t wrong about everything back then. It used to be that furniture was made for men, women, and children, but today it’s only made for adults and children, with men, of course, being the ‘adults’. The result is that grown-up women are stuck using furniture which doesn’t fit them (us), which stinks.
@Surplus to Requirements –
When I was younger I joked – probably ill-advisedly – that the windmill logo of a nearby town looked like a swastika. Wasn’t about to turn it into a Nazi-flag-inspired profile pic, though! It sucks that this guy experienced racism, but it doesn’t give him a pass to be racist himself. And the shift from “oh, I have a nice personality” to death threats in two sentences almost seems like a parody. Almost.
Every time I see complaints from this sort of Nice Guy ™, I’m reminded of the men who would approach me online, promising all sorts of whatever, but as soon as I said, “No thanks, I’m married” or otherwise indicated a lack of interest, they went nuclear. You’d’ve thought I’d threatened them with bodily harm or public embarrassment, because I got called every name in the book.
Others, thankfully, were more gracious and didn’t assume I owed them something that I’d reneged on. As Mr. Parasol is fond of saying, I hadn’t signed a social contract with them.
Maybe Allah does exist and he just doesn’t want to do all that hateful stuff? Especially when asked by someone who has nothing better to do than 300+ posts in less than 2 months?
@milotha: It really has. And I like your idea of sending the techbros and incels to Mars. It would be worth the money to get rid of them. They won’t mind staying inside with other “men” all the time. Truly MGTOW. Have fun growing poop potatoes, boys!
@Kat: I have other digestive problems, and very old plumbing. Me and toilets have a mutual hatred.
@BTD: Amen. Feet dangling is not fun.
@Bekabot: I love it! The only times I’ve been fully at home in kitchens are in places remodeled for people in wheelchairs. Low sinks. No shelves up to the ceiling. It’s bad for short men, too. Maybe I’ll think about kids’ furniture.
@Surplus: Yeah, anyone as swarthy and Muslim as him wouldn’t have fared well. He’d have been in the camps too, right next to the Jews. And the alt-right today is going to hate him even though he mouths all their screeds.
I guess the Pakistani women of the world are safe, since nobody’s going to arrange a marriage for him. Violent, ugly, and (probably) poor? Nobody’s going to hand over a dowry and a daughter for that in the diaspora, inshallah.
Sure, bro. Every woman just loves to be compared to a piece of furniture you use to piss and shit into. Nothing about your character or manner at all, nor your political orientation. Also not as if women cannot detect it when you speak in a fake tone. We are totally deceived by that.
I once had a dude in the MMO I play, he was the leader of my raid static. I always imagine these people talk in the same fake, creepy tone of voice he used whenever he got, well. Creepy, intrusive, and/or acted as if I would burst into tears the second someone said a mean word to me. For the record, he never made me cry, not even in his biggest asshole moment when he kicked me from the group because I wasn’t “fun enough” (comment of my current static leader about that: “That’s a fucking lie.” Almost as if it was the misogyny and general assholery that ticked me off enough enough to be significantly less nice and sociable than usual…) right before the next tier dropped, nor the two months he stalked me afterwards. Literally one of my worst experiences in that game so far, together with the POS who isolated me from my friends there (or tried to; I’m still friends with them, while she ultimately got purged from the group after everything came out) and sent me into my worst mental health crises in years back then.
I find it interesting that people are struggling with furniture, though. I’m fairly average, actually a few centimeters below the average, and have no issues with (public) toilets or all but the tallest tables. Even just tried the office chairs of my male coworker who is taller than me; no issues, both feet firmly on the ground. I have to set the office chair to the highest possible setting to very slightly lose contact with the ground, but not fully. Is it the calves, as others indicated? They seem fairly long for me, almost as long as my thighs. Is that it? Are tables just generally lower here in Germany than in the US?
Considering the height of furniture question: I’m 177cm (five foot 9.5 inches) tall. That’s above average height for women and about average for men in the UK. Everything is too low! Disabled toilets are about the right height for me, but most public and domestic toilets are too low. Most chairs and tables are too close to the ground. I struggle to get off most settees! My belly doesn’t help, but even when I wasn’t as fat I struggled. If everything could be about 6 inches higher up that’d be great. I don’t think adult furniture fits anyone, it’s made for an ‘average person’ that doesn’t exist.
@R J Dragon
Interesting. I’m 163cm, which seems to be around where they set that theoretical average. Iirc average height for AFAB people here in Germany is 165-166cm. So I’m in the peak segment of the bell curve, but in the lower half, and it is working just fine for me or only with very minor discomfort when a table is a centimeter or two too high so it just starts to feel awkward to set my arms down. But yeah, very few people are exactly the average that was set…
@Surplus, GSS
The original flavor Nazis had a rather favorable view of Islam, the Paris Mosque took advantage of this to hide Jews and resistance fighters in the basement. They weren’t fond of most of the ethnic groups found in what’s now Pakistan, but iirc Pashtuns were classed as Aryans alongside Persians* (who didn’t need the acknowledgement, they’re the original Aryans (The name of Iran comes from Aryan), and generally haven’t any use for European appropriators of the term). Iranian ambassador Abdol Hossein Sardari took advantage of this to argue that it applied to anyone with Iranian citizenship regardless of their religion, and then handed out Iranian passports to every Jew he could find.
*also the Lakota, who were unimpressed by the “honor”
About toilets, as a kid I was frustrated that they were all too high up. Last week I was at a mall and mentally grumbled about one being too low – but then I figured, hey, it was at a height that would be generally accessible to children as well as adults. (Mind you, I’m not tall. A little under 5’3”.)
@Dalillama – Really interesting, thanks! I’d never heard of Sardari before.
What I don’t get is how widespread the “Aryan = Germanic” myth got. You can’t expect logic or historical accuracy from genocidal dictators, but many of the early historical linguists were German. I mean, there were people there who knew it was pretty damn unlikely for the original “Aryans” – from around Western or Central Asia – to be all light-haired, blue-eyed, etc.
@Dalillama:
*also the Lakota, who were unimpressed by the “honor”
I’m hazarding a guess that that was fallout from German U.S. Wild West fandom, and above all the novel Winnetou (the titular Native best bud of author Karl May’s self-insert Gary Stu?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_German_popular_culture