SEE UPDATE AT END OF POST
Here’s what happens when a guy internalizes the incel mindset: he chases a woman down the street in his car because he “just wanted to play a song for her to give her her own choice if she wanted to be with me.”
“I pulled up next to her in my car and she pulled away from ne,” he explains to the cops. “And so I chased her a little bit. It waasn’t that crazy. I feel like she, like, wanted me to chase her.”
He thinks this behavior is ok because women have rape fantasies and secretly like being terrified. Getting chased, he says, “that’s, like, fun to women. Women like that, a little bit of excitement.”
After the cops tell him to leave, and to leave her alone, he walks off feeling like he’s the one who’s been terribly wronged.
In the second video he tries to explain to another cop that women mean yes when they say no, using “Baby, it’s cold outside” as his proof.
Unbelievably creepy. This is why I don’t listen to people who excuse incels because “they’re just trolling.” They’re not.
UPDATE: Dude made a lot of threats online and got himself arrested. See the second tweet below.
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Jesus H. Christ
I just got done watching the rest of his “auditor of first ammendment” videos and his 21 hour old manifesto. Dude is dangerous and disgusting. Also, the song was worse than the sound of my Boston Terrier wet farting.
The 27 far old woman he’s stalking is a lesbian, by the way. There are people that know her ln the comments. He does bring up a great point about certain 80s movies with John Cusack (the boombox scene).
If he hasn’t already, this man is going to hurt someone. At least he’s already put himself on the radar with local law enforcement.
For a moment I thought he said “I’m older than her father”… but I guess not.
He’s only nearly that creepy.
Robert Haynie, he says he is,
then that he feels “older than her father”, because he is apparently a traditional man and her father has “fallen for that woke bullshit”, and supports his daughter in “that LGBT shit”…
Which, dear Goddess, means he knows she is a lesbian. He thinks he can make her straight…
And if she persists in not agreeing, clearly that means she hasn’t been given a big enough sample to be convinced, and he obviously needs to give her another chance to choose him…
Men like this tend to believe in the efficacy of corrective rape.
I just watched the two videos and what the hell??? I think the one cop had the right of it when he said “There’s something twisted about how you think.”
(I got the feeling that was about the point said cop was really starting to lose his patience. Too bad this guy backed down, the video could have gone a far different way.)
According to the news, he was just arrested and charged with aggravated stalking, which seems justified. I’m not sure what you mean by “too bad he backed down”.
sheesh. I’m hardly a fan of police, but you can tell those cops wanted to beat the snot out of that guy towards the end. I can’t get over how he sounds like he’s on the verge of tears when he gets back in his vehicle. Truly staggering how this man genuinely believes he’s been wronged.
Yay this giving me glimpses of when I got rage induced flashbacks thanks to ex incel friend.
The cop told this guy to leave. But no, he had to keep talking. It may very well have been at that moment that the cop decided he would speak to the woman in question. Bad things ensued for this particular incel. But it might have been worse if her dad had taken things into his own hands. Incels never seem to consider that a woman might have family and friends and maybe the law who will stand up for her.
Good sheepdogs! That’s the kind of job you’re supposed to do!
This guy’s Twitter has been found and it is, as expected, a shitshow. Particularly horrifying are these two tweets:
https://twitter.com/JacobYerkes2/status/1589254887698636800
https://twitter.com/JacobYerkes2/status/1589255504312029184
That is dangerously unstable. Is a restraining order an option?
@ mvario
One the second video the officer says “That’s for the judge to decide”; and he’s holding a bunch of papers. So it may be that he was serving the application for a restraining order.
I hope so; this does need official intervention. ROs are risky; that’s so often when the aggravation escalates and it’s a really dangerous time for the victim. I don’t see she has much choice though. The judge may well ‘set him up to fail’. That is to say, there’ll be some fairly innocuous prohibitions on there. Maybe not to refer to her on social media or something; that he will inevitably not be able to comply with. But that sets up a breach so the court can impose a sentence. Without the victim having to be put at too much risk; say where the condition is not to approach.
Also, for the nth time: The song “Baby, It’s Cold Outside” (at least in the original version) is not about a woman saying no and “meaning yes”, ffs. It’s about a woman wanting to be with a man but resisting the temptation because of what other people will think about it.
The male character in the song is not forcing or assaulting her, he’s trying to tempt and persuade her. Unlike the scary asshole in this incident, he’s not chasing her down the street after she walks away from him.
That kind of emotional nuance is apparently absolutely incomprehensible to modern misogynist assholes. In their view, the mere possibility of any ambiguity or conflicting feelings automatically entitles them to harass and assault any woman as much as they want, because any form of “no” must mean “yes”.
Ehh. That’s very arguable. Perhaps that was the intentions behind the song, and maybe it was the way it was understood in 1944, but in the song as written, the woman never once even says she likes the guy, let alone wants to stay the night with him. “This evening has been… so very nice.” Stirring endorsement, that. The exact thing you would say now when trying to end an awkward confrontation and run for the hills. It’s a small wonder the song has become known as the “date rape anthem”. It needs to die in a fire.
Also, in every performance of the song, the guy does lay a hand on the woman and physically prevents her from leaving. Again, maybe that was playful and innocent in the 1940s, and he wasn’t actually trying to commit assault. But doing that now sure seems like assault.
It’s sad when you’re actually proud of the police. But this time they did the right thing. Actually protecting a woman, and a lesbian at that! They have protected and served.
If only he’d been told at some point “don’t argue with cops”, it would have gone much better. You wouldn’t see a Black guy do that, but white privilege and entitlement are a toxic combo.
@Kimstu: At one point in the song, the woman does ask “what’s in this drink?” so she’s a tad suspicious.
@Dave: “Perhaps that was the intentions behind the song, and maybe it was the way it was understood in 1944″
Fair enough, there are definitely possible alternative interpretations of the song that strike one as a lot creepier, especially nowadays.
@GSS ex-noob: “At one point in the song, the woman does ask “what’s in this drink?” so she’s a tad suspicious.”
Yeah, another phrase that has acquired different connotations over time. It used to come across as more of a light-hearted way of suggesting “I feel really euphoric/giddy/reckless/etc. because of my attraction to you and I’m going to blame it on the alcohol”. Nowadays, any suggested suspicion about the contents of a drink understandably implies something thoroughly sinister.
And given how assholes like the one in this story have chosen to embrace those more sinister interpretations and even to hold them up as behavior worth imitating, I’m willing to concur that “Baby, It’s Cold Outside” may be past its use-by date and should maybe just be discarded.
@Kimstu: I believe the phrase “got slipped a mickey” was in common parlance in 1944, so it was a plausible interpretation at the time.
It definitely needs to be retired.
“If he hasn’t already, this man is going to hurt someone. At least he’s already put himself on the radar with local law enforcement.”
Yeah, and if/when he does, someone will find a way to blame the Democrats for letting people out of prison. Or something…
Once had a guy try to force me into his car while I was waiting for the bus. He drove off and then came back. I was never happier to see the damned bus pull up, which of course was late.