In a Livestream yesterday, Christian hate preacher Greg Locke told his followers that pronouns like the singular “they” and “them” are “demonic.”
“Every time demons speak in the Bible, they always make an emphasis out of their pronouns,” he declared to hoots from the congregation.
It’s what demons do! [Applause] … it’s been demonic for 2000 years and y’all wanna play games with ’em? Teaching your kids all that stupid, wicked nonsense.
If you tell your kids, that go to a public school, that they oughtta respect people by using proper pronouns, you’re a sorry parent. You oughtta be whooped.
Cheers from the crowd.
“Sick of this garbage.,” he continued. “‘Us, we, they, them,’” he said with a lilt.
You born with what you born with. You a man or a woman, that’s it. Anything else is DEMONIC! It is evil, it is perverted, it is wicked, and it is a plan, and a plot, and an attack of the Enemy on our children, stop playing these stupid games.
Here’s the whole thing on video if you want to hear his lovely and not at all grating voice.
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I thought the demonic pronouns were “We” and “Many?”
Wait until he finds out that the Bible wasn’t written in English.
Greg Locke thinks it’s demonic when somebody says his shoe’s untied, LOL.
@SpecialFFrog:
Wait until he finds out that the Bible wasn’t written in English.
Let alone that “Elohim” is feminine and plural, although I’ll leave the exact ramifications of that to Mammotheers more Judaism-savvy than myself.
If you tell your kids, that go to a public school, that they oughtta respect people by using proper pronouns, you’re a sorry parent. You oughtta be whooped.
Yes, Ma’am!
@specialFFrog
Wait he realizes that God himself is referred to with singular “they” on several occasions in the OT. That would mean God is demonic which is pretty special. Then again that guy is completely crazy and even some Evangelicals have denounced him. To give you a taste, he blamed COVID cases in his congregation to a 6 witches who would infiltrated his flock and threatened to dox them if they did not stop casting curses and worshiping the Devil, clearly a very sane individual.
@Full Metal Ox
Sorry to disappoint (and to nitpick), but “Elohim” is a masculine plural in Hebrew; for example, in the phrase “Elohim adirim” (literally “great God”, but the usage is more like “dear God” or “my goodness”), you can see that the adjective “adir” gets the masculine plural suffix “-im”, rather than the feminine plural suffix “-ot”[*]. The singular is “eloha”, which might look in transliteration like it has the feminine “-a” suffix, but in actuality this is just a quirk of the Hebrew phonetic system (the word is supposed to end in a consonant, but you can’t end a syllable on a guttural consonant like H, so the vowel A is added for ease of pronunciation).
[*] In theory you could also apply that to the noun itself, but nouns have many irregular pluralisations, where a feminine noun gets an “-im” (e.g. “shanah”, year, is feminine, but in plural it’s “shanim”) or vice versa (e.g. “villon”, curtain, is masculine, but in plural it’s “villonot”). The adjectives, however, don’t follow that kind of irregularity (“great years” would be “shanim adirot”, “great curtains” would be “villonot adirim”), so it’s a better indicator in this case.
Again apologies for the nitpicking, I just like geeking out about language.
@Penny PSmith:
No disappointment, and thank you for going to the trouble of enlightening this presumptuous goy.
@David: Love the picture choices. I’m sure someone somewhere has shopped this hateful asshole’s face onto Church Lady.
I’ve never heard any human say their pronoun is “we”. Greggo seems to be mixing up his grammar, too.
@Moon Custafer: Yep, “We are Many” because demons don’t get a personal name, they’re all just outgrowths of … SATAN!
@Psmith: (great name) Thank you for the learning. Always good to learn. This bozo would just plug his ears and go “LA LA LA” if a fact came near him.
@FMOx: So he’s thinking people need to be whipped… presumably by him… on their protruding bulbous buttocks. Is his safe word “SATAN!”, or is that his whatever the opposite of safe word is?
(I loved the Church Lady. Sad she’s not satire any more.)
Well, there is the royal “we”. Was the late queen *gasp* a demon?
@Full Metal Ox:
You might be thinking of the Shekhinah — or Holy Spirit — which I think uses feminine pronouns in Hebrew but neutral pronouns in Greek and then masculine in Latin. Fun with translations.
“his lovely and not at all grating voice.”
Lying will make pimples grow on your tongue, David.
@LouCPurr: No, she was a reptoid alien. Don’t you keep up on the conspiracies? /s
I’m pretty sure she used “I” with family and friends.
Greg Locke thinks it’s demonic when someone slaps a “Kick me!” post it on his back.
I should not have watched even part of that video. My response was, politically incorrect or not, “Jesus fucking Christ. What the hell?”
“Every time demons speak in the Bible, they always make an emphasis out of their pronouns”
I suppose that is true, in that they don’t speak in the Bible.
While it’s unclear if she counts as a ‘demon’: the Whore of Babylon in Revelations doesn’t (I think?) speak per se, but she DOES come labelled with a helpful text description:
Rev 17:5 (KJV): “And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.”
So maybe this text is like a twitter bio? But we would need someone who speaks Ancient Greek to tell us if it really “emphasises” her pronouns, as Locke claims. Like maybe she made a point of specifying ‘Mother’ because she wanted to make sure that John of Patmos didn’t misgender her when he was describing her work as a sex worker mentor and activist.
@Crip Dyke:
Greg Locke thinks it’s demonic when someone slaps a “Kick me!” post it on his back.
That’s the risk you take when you say, “Get thee behind me, Satan!”
Sounds like this congregation is just one failed crop away from starting to murder people over witchcraft accusations.
@LouCPurr:
And editors.
@ moon custafer
Although many scientific journals will publish “we” submissions, even from single authors, some don’t.
I like this example of an author adopting a particular course of action, rather than retype the paper.
https://www.science.org/content/article/cat-co-authored-influential-physics-paper
Lumipuna, with the rise of Christian nationalism in the US there is a non-zero chance that witchcraft will be a capital crime there within the next 15-20 years, presuming that’s the flavour of fascism that will take over.
Now I’m just thinking about the picture I have of my priest with his nun best friend at pride.
I have really appreciated the rise in seeing pronouns listed in business e-mail signatures. It shouldn’t be a big deal, any more than calling someone by their preferred name should be.
For example, Mr. Parasol’s first name has a very common nickname, and he’s had co-workers who use it when addressing him. Except he doesn’t like that nickname, so when he introduces himself as Firstname, he’s not being formal: He’s setting expectations that he does not want to be called Firsty.
I have a reverse situation. My first name is hyphenated, and that’s how it appears on my birth certificate and other legal documents. The last time I was truly cool about being called First-Name was when Mr. Parasol was reciting his half of the wedding vows. Otherwise I wonder if I’m in trouble.
@Penny Psmith – That’s interesting! I wonder if the Persian name “Elaheh” is related; my colleague said it means “goddess.” But I don’t know if it was from a Proto-Semitic loanword into Indo-Iranian or more recent.
On topic – it’s been a long time since I was in Sunday school (raised Christian, though more agnostic by personality), but the text’s use of “we” was to show that the demon-possessed guy wasn’t speaking of his own accord; instead, (plural) demons were speaking through him. I guess one could be possessed by a single demon, but multiple demons were supposedly scarier or more difficult to deal with. And I remember the speech being translated as “We are Legion” in the older version, which sounded badass.*
*approved theological term
Anyway, it wasn’t all like, “Hello, we are demons, our pronouns are we/us.” But now I’m imagining a Halloween-themed parody (’tis the season and all)!