Sometimes the best laid plans (for getting laid) go astray.
When one of the commenters — this was posted on Incels.is but you probably guessed that already — helpfully suggests that “[m]aybe you need to pay extra because you’re a n***er?” our boy replies:
I’m white and It works in porn so I don’t see why it wouldn’t work in real life. a girl would have to be a dumb bitch to turn down 300 dollars for a quick fuck and a lot of guys in porn are subhumans with big dicks and ugly fucking faces and bellies.
Uh, dude, porn is not real life. Those videos where someone goes up to a woman on the street and offers her cash for sex and she agrees? Those are set up in advance. And she’s likely getting a lot more than $300.
When someone else suggests that our boy “just go to a hooker,” he complains that
Hookers feel disgusting tbh I cant imagine someone cummed inside of her just a few minutes before me. I know other girls aren’t that better but still
I can’t imagine a sex worker would be any more thrilled about the prospect of having sex with you for $300 than you claim to be with her. You’re the kind of guy who gets screened out because you don’t seem safe.
In another comment he whines that
Thanks to online dating and dating apps, pussy has gone up dramatically in value. even some loose stinky pussy from a fat sub-4.
Gosh, I can’t imagine why women aren’t lined up around the block waiting to have sex with you, even without the $300 as an added bonus. I would suggest you put a bag over your head but really, you’d need to put a bag over your entire personality.
I can’t imagine anyone accepting $300 — or $3000 — just to sit alone in a room with you for ten minutes without sex. You kind of make my skin crawl.
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The old horror story “Pieces of Silver” by Brett Halliday comes unbidden to mind; I read this in an Alfred Hitchcock anthology in junior high. Such was its impact that I always make a point of asking street performers, “Are you accepting donations?” if a hat or other obvious receptacle isn’t in evidence.
(Note also that the offended party was a teenage Mestiza girl. That the asshole gringo tourist hadn’t been the one to throw the money registered on first reading as an ironic twist: he was innocent of that particular douche gesture (and wow, there’s more than one asshole gringo tourist in the world.) It was only upon a reread many years later that I realized that her white father had sneakily weaponized his in-laws’ touchy sense of honor.)
Summary here: https://www.byanyothernerd.com/2014/01/short-story-30-pieces-of-silver-by.html
I mean, I had to sit alone for ten minutes in rooms with guys like that unpaid before. I’d take $300 for it.
For some reason guys like that cannot keep their traps shut, even at professional conferences where they might not want to reveal they are guys like that, and will definitely reveal they are guys like that if you are alone in a room setting up and/or monitoring equipment.
Definitely wouldn’t have sex at any cost though.
On your homepage I accidentally clicked on a link to the original Incel post (archived), instead of the link to the rest of this post.
I was immediately confronted with a commenter’s avatar and was overwhelmed.
I don’t know how you do it, David.
I clicked through. But I minimized the page when my boyfriend came over to say goodnight. He doesn’t need to see that stuff. Sure, he’s been in a lot of locker rooms. He’s driven a cab. And he knows a lot about incels. But unlike me, he’s not researching what vile people say. So I minimized the page because he’s a decent human being.
People like that are why I carry pepper spray.
So guy is not willing to go to an actual hooker but he’s perfectly happy to treat other women as hookers and doesn’t understand why they get offended? Maybe if he started to treat them as people instead of objects, he’ll better responses. No point arguing with incels though.
Maybe it’s because “sex work” is not well percieved in society, mildly speaking.
Although this nasty troll can be right about dating apps and rest inflating dramatically cost of sex. 300 dollars (for an hour or one intercourse) sounds pretty cruel.
@Mimi Haha
Don’t pepper-spray anyone just for suggesting that you are a prostitute, this may give you trouble with police (or possibly with woke activist for lack of respect for “sex work”).
@Lard
Why? Do tell, what’s the real value of sex? Why shouldn’t a woman (or man/other, but OP was talking about a woman) make that much from one hour of sex? Why isn’t it worth as much as an hour of time of an average California lawyer or well-paid doctor? Please explain.
@Big Titty Demon
I am not an economist and also I don’t live in the US, but speaking from “potential client” point of view, it seems too high price for service of unqualified, unnecessary worker doing not-lifesaving work in quite competitive market. But on the other hand, prostitution is illegal in the US, I think the only Western country with law like that, so we can’t talk about how much a prostitute should earn. Maybe costs of potential arrest and prosecution are included.
Full-service sex work is also a very dangerous line of work in the USA.
@Lard
dating apps and rest inflating dramatically cost of sex.
Are you saying dating apps caused sex workers to raise their prices? How???
Also how does rest raise the cost of sex? Is it cheaper if you’re tired?
@Rusalka
Maybe indirectly. People have less sex now, hot ladies are luxury goods, very expensive, men have to suffer in silence or pay for pussy.
@Lard
Wow, dehumanizing much? Women are not goods, luxury or otherwise, and unless you’re actually dealing with a sex worker, sex is not a commercial transaction. If people are having less sex, it’s not because “pussy” is some kind of material good and the supply has dried up.
And I only wish the incels would suffer in silence.
So men are suffering terribly from lack of sex but full-service sex workers are”unqualified, unnecessary worker[s] doing not-lifesaving work” and don’t deserve to get paid much. Hoo boy, we got a new chew-toy here.
In the US, prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada. How that works out for the safety of sex workers there compared to the rest of the country I have no idea.
Semi-related to the topic at hand (heh):
https://www.advocate.com/news/2022/9/16/sex-toys-litter-highway-after-tractor-trailer-crash
Technically NSFW given the subject matter, but funny. And no-one got hurt, thankfully, but still funny.
For reference, I was a Craigslist sex worker back in the mid-00s, before the feds swooped in and shut down the personals section. At the time I was charging $25 for anything quick and low-risk and $40 per hour (min 1 hour) for nearly anything else. I would charge somewhat higher if I were doing it today due to inflation. While fairly attractive, I was not in a position to be a high-priced call girl who could command something like $200-$500 per hour.
Even that might sound like a lot to someone with a near-minimum wage job in the US, but consider that the work was irregular and unreliable, and came with a lot of extra expenses and unpaid hours (for example, negotiating with and screening clients is more time-consuming than one might expect). It was also high risk: police, potential for dangerous clients who slip through the screening (fortunately never happened to me, but I’d heard of it happening to others), STIs, pregnancy (fortunately not an issue in my case, as I’m infertile). While I did enjoy the work more than anything else I’ve done, I got out of it as soon as I was able because of the risk primarily and the unreliable income secondarily.
It’s still possible to get a sex worker for a lot less than $300, but with potential online connections being scarce today in comparison to the ’00s due to draconian crackdowns in the ’10s, you’d probably have to do it the old-fashioned way: find out what local spots the streetwalkers hang out… but both clients and workers are taking far more risk this way. Also if you’re the sort of client who prefers ethical sex work, streetwalkers are much more likely to be effectively slaves of pimps or criminal groups.
@Lard
OIC. It’s not worth it because it seems too high to you. But if that’s what sex workers are really charging (which it seems we are only taking it on hearsay that they are, as we have direct evidence otherwise from a genuine former sex worker), isn’t that what sex is worth because that’s what the market will bear? Doesn’t that by definition mean that the invisible hand has decreed $300/hour for sex work, blah blah, capitalism, and therefore, in fact, a sex worker is in fact the equivalent of a doctor or lawyer?
Now, as to unqualified and unnecessary… what ever do you mean? How is a sex worker unqualified? Are they not having sex? Are they not working? Are they not sex working? I fail to see how a sex worker is not qualified at this, please explain. If they are not necessary, please explain how the profession continues to exist no matter if either being a sex worker or visiting sex workers is made a crime. It must be necessary to some people or they wouldn’t risk it!
@Big Titty Demon:
I suspect he meant “unskilled”. Which is BS. Quite a lot of “unskilled labor” consists of things which most people can do at a minimal level of competence, but being actually good at the job requires a lot of on-the-job experience. Treating all workers at such jobs as unskilled and replaceable creates perverse incentives to get rid of your best and most experienced workers first when there are staff reductions. Either because they’re paid a bit more (and firing them would “save” money), or they’re “not social enough” because they’re busy doing their actual work.
I’m guessing he thinks that most sex work is show up, boink frantically, leave, which most people can do, at least physically. (Whether they’d be willing is another matter.) I can’t say anything about the streetwalker experience because I wasn’t one, so I don’t know if that’s common for them… but there wasn’t a whole lot of that in my experience, most of my clients wanted something more, or something unusual. It helps to be at least a little bit good at a lot of things, as well as having good people skills. And given that I was actively seeking out and negotiating with potential clients for one-time or occasional jobs, my situation was essentially part of the gig economy, not the “unskilled” labor economy, which is somewhat different.
Or I suppose he could have actually meant “untrained” or “uncertified” and that we need sex work training courses, or whatever. Provided such a thing was actually useful and unproblematic, I wouldn’t have minded that actually. That would require legalization first though.
@Snowberry
Oh I know exactly what he means, I knew from his first posts, when he wrote of “sex work” and woke activists. I just want him to lead us through his logic so that either 1) he may become a better person by realising where it leads and revamp his logic (admittedly somewhat unlikely, or at least unlikely in our presence, as it would take more courage than most have to admit that kind of bad thinking and willingness to try and turn it around, which is a quite long process) or 2) he gets frustrated and says some garbo that gets him outta here (more likely).
I agree with you exactly about unskilled labor. Like I would like to add something, but you’ve really summed it up. Short term gains at the cost of any long term benefit, when “unskilled” workers become too expensive, and then people wonder why there are no experienced workers around. Need them some unions, says I (but I always say that).
I’d be interested on your opinion of the utility of a sex workers union, if such a thing existed. I’d tend to think that for brothels it’d work really well as a “union joint” and possibly eventually to force out pimps on streets, sort of like a Sex Workers Teamsters. But would it help your average “independent contractor” gig economy sex worker as a pressure group?
Re: sex work as ‘unskilled’.
Clearly, anyone who thinks this has either never had bad sex OR only provides bad sex.
Also, I’m gobsmacked that any porn viewer thinks those “offer $ to a passing well endowed woman for sex” are real. Like, do they also think the sun disappears at night until it pops up in the east the next morning?
Lard wrote:
Are those really the only options you can think of? Seriously? It’s never occurred to you that a little self-improvement on the man’s part will raise his chances? I’m primarily defining “self-improvement” here as “realizing that women are people and not luxury goods.”
@Victorious Parasol
No, treating women as commodities is not an obstacle to sexual success. I would say it is an advantage, at least when guy is young, not handicapped, mentally sane and not very ugly.
Personal improvement big enough to get sexy ladies is too expensive and time-consumeing for most men and outcomes are usually below expected.
Lard wrote:
Oh, my dear summer-child duck. You’re demonstrating a remarkable economy when it comes to cramming “citation needed” thinking into words.
“Personal improvement” doesn’t have to be expensive or time-consuming, because for men like you, all we’re hoping for is that you start treating women like people with their own needs and desires and all that. You just have to recognize that servicing your dick doesn’t need to be the center of the universe. Of anybody’s universe.
I’m reminded of a story told by a friend about this guy who always had a crowd of women around him at a party. He wasn’t tall. He wasn’t handsome. He was happily married. But he was also very good at finding something beautiful and admirable about other people. He liked women. He thought people in general were pretty neat, and he wasn’t afraid to praise someone, with genuine class and appreciation, for their qualities. He wasn’t creeptastic. He wasn’t predatory. He wasn’t rich. He was a kind man who made other people feel good about themselves. And he didn’t see it as a superhuman effort – he saw it as how we should all treat each other.
@Lard, I have never in my entire life heard a woman say “Wow, this guy is really great! Too bad he won’t treat me like a commodity, or I’d totally bang him.” I’m willing to bet you haven’t either.
seeing women as human beings doesn’t cost a single penny.