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Men’s Rights Redditors declare themselves too short to date women

Dude brutally height-mogging his parents

The incel-ification of the Men’s Rights movement continues apace. The regulars on the Men’s Rights subreddit, much like the incels I follow, are whining that it’s literally impossible for most men to meet the allegedly quite stringent height standards for women.

In a thread on the subreddit posted yesterday, a fellow called NoCommunication5976 declares that “Men’s appearance standards are basically impossible to meet up to.”

He continues, making clear that what he’s really talking about is height.

I’m not talking about how you have to be ripped and use steroids to meet standards, I’m talking about how it is statistically impossible to meet up to height standards. The average man is around 5’6” keep in mind, lots of men are shorter, and lots are taller, but not significantly taller.

Actually, the average height of American men is 5′ 9,” as I learned from literally seconds worth of Googling.

6’2” is around the 99th percentile, meaning that 1 in 100 men meet appearance standards.

You really think that women will refuse to date anyone less than 6’2″?

The thing is, height cannot be improved through any means, no matter what.

Uh, you can wear shoes with big heels that will increase your height an inch or two.

This makes height standards impossible to meet. It would be like if everyone had to pay a billion dollars in taxes just like elon musk.

Really? I would be stunned to hear that Elon Musk actually pays any taxes.

Now, we all can see with our own eyes that there are plenty of short (or at least less than 6″2″) guys in the world with girlfriends or wives (or both). There are certainly some women who say they won’t date men who aren’t, say, 6 foot or over. But they’re clearly a minority — because most men shorter than that are able to find partners for themselves.

So how important are women’s height preferences anyway, according to SCIENCE? It depends on what study you’re looking at and how the issue is framed. But the short answer is: not that important.

One recent study found that height does in fact matter more to women than it does to men. But that doesn’t mean that it matters a lot. While only 13% of men said they preferred to date women shorter than them, roughly half of dating-age women wanted someone taller than them.

“Someone taller than them” doesn’t mean 6 feet or higher. It just means taller than the woman filling out the survey. The average height of American women is 5’4,” which is a full five inches shorter than the average American man. That means most men meet the height standards of the roughly 50 percent of women who express a preference in height. That means it’s a bit harder for men less than 5’4″ to find dates, but not impossible, as half the women out there don’t care.

Another survey I found asked rather different questions but came to a similar conclusion: women don’t care all that much about height. Indeed, nearly 70 percent of women said they found short men attractive. And more than 80 percent said they would date men the same height as they are.

Meanwhile, 60 percent said that the ideal height for a man is 5’8″ — that’s an inch shorter than the average American man.

Which might suggest that women actually prefer slightly shorter guys?

Though NoCommunication5976’s thread got more than 200 upvotes, there were a few in the comments who pointed out that his claims were pretty much bullshit.

“You spend too much time on the internet,” wrote marks1995.

You’re confusing a preference with a standard.

As you said, 99% of men aren’t 6′. That doesn’t mean 99% of men are single.

There are women that would love a 6′ tall guy. But the vast majority of them would gladly trade a few inches in height for someone with goals, confidence, grooming, good at sex, etc. All things you can control.

Exactly.

Like the incels they increasingly resemble, Men’s Rights activists spend a great deal of their time and energy fighting battles against imaginary oppression.

I wonder if it ever occurs to these guys that women don’t want to date them, not because they’re short, but because they’re Men’s Rights activists?

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Dave
Dave
2 years ago

The internet says Paul Newman was 5′ 9″, so exactly average I guess.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 years ago

Daniel Radcliffe and Elijah Wood are both 5’5”.

@Jumpin’ Little Guy

Feliks, is that you?

It’s hilarious BTW that you complain about female gaze being unmoored from reality, because male gaze is… a lot more unmoored. Like, a lot. Especially when porn enters the equation. Y’all’s obsession with perfectly round boobs and butts, hairless labia, washboard flat bellies etc. are super unrealistic and also killing and injuring women. (See: silicone implant complications, skin infections from genital waxing, anorexia…)

You lot will shame literal female athletes for having a normal about of belly fat, not big enough tits, etc. and meanwhile straight women are settling for vaguely pleasant smiles and not causing them pain during sex, if even that. Sit down, pal.

bumblebug
bumblebug
2 years ago

My first boyfriend was 5’6. My husband is 5’10. I prefer the husband, not for his height, but because he makes me happier and he’s a bigger nerd. He’s also kinder, goofier, and we have more in common. His height doesn’t change anything except that he can reach things that are too high for me and I have to readjust the mirrors in the car every time I swap with him.

Dave
Dave
2 years ago

Yeah, if someone is a real jerk and a bore, then absolutely they better be incredibly hot and 6′ tall. But if someone is kind and considerate and charming, there are plenty of people who will still date you if you are short.

RJ Dragon
RJ Dragon
2 years ago

I’m 5’9.5″, or 177cm, for those using metric. I checked the average height for the UK. Male: five foot ten inches. Female: five foot four point seven inches. So I’m tall for a woman or average for a man. Since I’m neither, it’s really irrelevant. In fact, height is irrelevant when it comes to attractions for me. I currently fancy someone who’s six two, and skinny, and someone else who’s five four and curvy. I’m attracted to their personalities and the essence of who they are, physical features aren’t particularly important. I don’t know if that’s just me.

Rusalka (with a capital R)
Rusalka (with a capital R)
2 years ago

Every man I’ve ever been with, including my husband, was shorter than me. (Mind you, I’m 5’11, so I guess that’s kind of inevitable.). This has never bothered either me or them.

Jazzlet
Jazzlet
2 years ago

I went out with guys a range of heights from a little shorter than me to a lot taller, until I settled with Mr J, who is seven and one quarter inch taller than me. As with the Victorious Parasols the being taller than me is helpful on occasion, we call it being “usefully tall” as in “I need someone to be usefully tall”. As with the Dormousing-its MrJ had to learn not to fix things I need to access in his absence too high. And as with both of them his height was not any of the reasons I have been with him for thirty something years.

My BFF is one quarter of an inch taller than me, he did want to go out with someone shorter than him, which did limit his options, but he found various women of a suitable height, and though she is not Toyah Wilcox (his ideal waay back then) he has been very happy with the woman he is married to for a couple of decades. Again it wasn’t her height that makes them so good together, more her love of raves and gaming and the politiccal similarities.

Jazzlet
Jazzlet
2 years ago

@ R J Dragon

I’m attracted to their personalities and the essence of who they are, physical features aren’t particularly important. I don’t know if that’s just me.

Yes, this is what really does it, such a lovely way of putting it!

Tom
Tom
2 years ago

Vietnam kicked America rear end and the majority of Viet soldiers were shorter than well fed Americans. Short Vietnam men beat America in the jungle that unfortunately, America just sprayed the place with dangerous chemicals. Also height discrimination is real in America.

milotha
milotha
2 years ago

I like shorter guys because I am short. I think many of these shorter guys aka average height, can’t get laid due to their horrendous personality of being on forums like incels.is. Three minutes on there is enough for me to need eye bleach.

C.A. Collins
C.A. Collins
2 years ago

Bloody hell, at 5’10” I’m too short to date women!!!1!
Celibacy it is, then.

Elaine the witch
Elaine the witch
2 years ago

My husband is now 5″6. He was 5″8 when we met but his spine got really compressed while in the Marines. If it didn’t cause him pain it would be nice. It’s a lot easier to kiss him but he’s in pain.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

@ elaine

Has your blokey ever read any of the Jack Ryan books? He might identify. The reason Jack ends up in CIA (as a desk jockey) is that we was in the Marines but they buggered his back up.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
2 years ago

@Diego

You know, you’re not wrong.

But that’s part of discrimination in politics and business, which involves, in America, being, in order, white, male, and thin, before height. A bunch of other things too, involving wealth and class and good skin and symmetry of face even before height.

I just don’t have the bandwidth to care about height discrimination. When height is the thing people primarily discriminate on, I will fucking celebrate, and then ask them why the fuck they didn’t learn anything from getting rid of all the other discriminations.

Lollypop
Lollypop
2 years ago

Just because he’s been mentioned…

https://twitter.com/pelicinema/status/1564978749501759489?t=4m8NpFdl38xER0nAJW6QjA&s=19

Concerning the post:

As has been thoroughly explored, men of varying heights are attractive and get dates all the time!! BUT what pisses me off about these complaints is the fact that MRAs are SO OUTRAGED that external factors impact your dating prospects – and mean you might not have bikini models throwing themselves at you for the honour of being your sexual plaything.

OF COURSE external factors have an effect. I got much less attention from men in my youth than my best mate because she is considered by all conventional standards to be better looking than me (and much less odd in conversation). That’s just life! Rest assured there will be people out there who happen to prefer your flavour of human! You can’t spend your whole bloody life bitter and twisted because handsome men with a Viking stature, fun personalities and natural charm have more people interested in them.

Humans find all sorts of ways to connect on all sorts of levels. I’ve known plenty of people who are successful daters due to gregariousness or sense of humour or that weird “can’t define it but they are compelling” feeling. Looks aren’t the only factor. BUT they are a factor to a greater or lesser extent and being a complete dick about that by blaming all womankind (by which I mean the women they want to fuck, because who cares about the ugly ones) is NOT going to improve your prospects.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
2 years ago

Rest assured there will be people out there who happen to prefer your flavour of human!

That isn’t the problem. The problem is that there are only six of them, each on a different continent, six needles in billion-person haystacks, and nobody can afford much of a travel budget any more what with this #&@! inflation … 🙂