So Men’s Rights Redditors are pitching another fit about the alleged evils of OnlyFans, and a fellow called SportsNutJob has some deep thoughts on the matter.
OnlyFans is going ot be the thing that completely ruins society.
Do go on.
Sex and relationship rates have dropped rapidly since OF came out, women now openly want to be paid for everything.
It’s true that people collectively aren’t having sex as often as they used to. But that started happening long before OnlyFans was a thing. I don’t know how much Mr. NutJob knows about history, but generally speaking things that cause other things have to have happened before, not after, the things they’re said to be causing.
I don’t think women understand, if they don’t have a good personality, which many don’t seem to care to have anymore, and they make sex a transaction, men no longer have any reason to be kind to those women, they just become literal objects of sex with a lack of a quality personality.
WTF is a “quality personality?” And why do you think you’re in a position to judge anyone’s personality given that yours is shitty enough to get you posted on this website.
But this is human history with women, sad truth is women historically have a very bad habit of abusing the absolute fuck out of privilege and advantages and don’t really use it in moderation.
What “advantages” do women have that aren’t tied to disadvantages that the patriarchy lays down?
For example, say 20% of women now go to sex work for the easy money,
You are vastly overestimating the extent of sex work and how “easy” this money is. In the US only about one million or one percent of women go into prostitution. The number of women worldwide with OnllyFans pages is about 1.5 million, out of a population of 8 billion, and most of them barely make any money off it. (The vast majority of money made on the platform goes to the top 10 percent.) If 20 percent of American women took up sex work they would end up scrambling for pennies because that’s how supply and demand works.
Do these guys never fact check their rants? I fact check my fucking jokes.
there will be a ton of men who say fuck it, I’ll bang a hooker, why bother dealing with all this other nonsense when I can skip dinner and just drop 100 on sex? Saves time, cheaper, less stressful, no waiting, no selfish conversations, no expectation to put in a ton of work after, no drama etc.
He’s lowballing both the cost and the hassle of hiring a sex worker, at least if he wants a “high-end” escort. I’m going to take a wild guess and say this guy has never taken this “cheaper, less stressful” route.
Women will fuck themselves over if they keep abusing sex work and OF if they don’t have a really desirable personality.
Again, dude, YOU don’t have a desirable personality, so why do you care?
Elsewhere in the thread someone called, uh, PM_ME_BLOODY_FETUSES thinks that OnlyFans will ruin women most of all.
Onlyfans, along with the modern feminist movement, has created an environment for society that enables women closer to the norm to sell their body sexually as a career. It is exacerbated by social media as it attempts to advertise the idea that you can be exceptionally well-off based on this income while completely ignoring the consequences.
Again, we’re talking about a small percentage of women going on OnlyFans and a much smaller percentage making enough money to make it worthwhile.
To add, COVID encouraged a large number of young women to “try it out” and start the ball rolling.
Therefore it is harder to find a woman that doesn’t have a past of selling herself in some way, as society has taught them that selling their body is empowering.
We pretty much all sell ourselves (and the bodies in which our selves live in) to The Man for a salary at some point in our lives if not most of the time. That’s capitalism for you.
Yet, biology never fails to come into their life like a wrecking ball, past age 30 a vast majority of women attempt to secure a man despite their dissent and dismissal of the entire gender for they realize they absolutely must carry out their most critical biological purpose in life, but they spent every last penny of that value in their 20s becoming unsuitable. Because of feminism.
That’s right. The sponsor of the infamous “cock carousel” is Big Feminism.
Weird that men are never considered “ruined” by sex, even though they’re the ones on the other side of these sex transactions. I would draw a graph here to illustrate how this works but I never got that far in sexyconomics.
Anyway, a guy who can casually refer to women as having “spent every last penny of that value in their 20s becoming unsuitable” really doesn’t deserve sex with anyone but their own hand.
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Ever get the feeling these whingers believe pornography only started with the invention of the camera?
@victorious
I have a carving of a worker fucking Cleopatra in a handstand position that would really disagree with them
Camera?
Nope, sorry, the pornograph was invented before the wheel. At least 12,000 years ago, based on certain cave paintings. It’s probably way older still, and quite possibly was invented by a Neandertal.
We probably should also not assume that it was invented by a cishet man …
And of course these men were once extremely kind. Princes, really. But that’s all over now. Once again, women have ruined everything.
@Elaine
I think I need more of a description of this carving. Whose in a handstand and how does this work?
@Kat: “And of course these men were once extremely kind.”
Yeah. The sheer oblivious arrogance of the assumption that women aren’t human beings deserving ordinary levels of human kindness just because they exist.
Nope, it’s taken for granted that women are just objects who won’t be granted the “kindness” of being treated like a human being unless they are actively trying to win men’s approval by providing free sex.
dang i need to start an onlyfans to accelerate this ruination of society
@bumblebug
The woman has one foot on the ground and hand on a step stool looking thing. her other foot is pointed out towards the wall, and she turned to try and face the man behind her, who is standing and sliding a comically large penis into her while she basically does the splits while standing. He is painted in a dark caramel color of someone at that time working out in the hot sun most days, she is in lavish head dress and makeup, her skin is painted a pale color. showing she is royalty, and her skin is lighter because she doesn’t have to go out in the sun. She has large breast and a rounded hip. it was found on the wall of what is barracks sleeping quarters for workers.
So what probably happened is a craftsman carved and painted his sexual fantasy on his bed area wall to give a visual age to self-pleasure.
This is the most well preserved one, but there are several other carvings and wall paintings depicting men and women in different sexual position through ancient Egypt.
There are also many paintings or carvings done of just women in the nude. they are normally smaller and done in seductive possess. craftsman either did these of their wives or girlfriends, or noble men had them made of their wives or girlfriends. or noble women had them made for their husbands and or boyfriends. the ancient way of sending nudes.
The skip dinner thing always bemuses me, I mean are they really saying they’re not gonna eat? Or that spending time with, you know the person you are hoping to fuck is so arduous?
Ezekiel 16:17, even if interpreted metaphorically, strongly implies that women were known to create (and get off on) porn:
Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them.
I feel like his hand might reject him.
Serious though, he’s angry about sex being treated as a transactional commodity yet he clearly views women as a commodity (speaks of their value in monetary terms).
I wonder if he’s never seen all those “fertility goddess” figures, who are all boobs and vulva and no facial features — just like this guy would love because she couldn’t speak or see. She apparently doesn’t even need to be taken to dinner!
He doesn’t deserve sex with anything, even his own hand.
It’s darkly amusing how some of these people are basically alien archaeologists who interpret modern sports as religious fertility rituals because they lack any meaningful context. Except the objects of their study are extant and context exists, they’re just ignoring that. At least until a few of them crash the games and attempt to enforce comically terrible misinterpretations of the rules, because I understand them better than you, the actual players and referees. Then when everyone gets mad they take the ball and go home. It’s not their ball. I think this metaphor got away from me.
It’s cute how the OP suddenly pretends that MRAs care about women’s personalities, as if they hadn’t spent years making it perfectly clear that they view us as nothing more than vaguely human-shaped dick receptacles.
Stripped of all the tortured logic, this is just another iteration of “Waaah! All the b!tches who won’t have sex with me will be sorry when they’re old and ugly! And by old and ugly I mean over 30!”
The explanation for many “fertility statues” like the Venus of Willendorf that I find compelling is that a lot of them were a sort of self-portraiture by pregnant women rather than religious icons.
@Allandrel
They must have taken a fair degree of artistic license, given the inhuman proportions of said statues. And why would those women not include their own faces in said self-portraits?
@ anonymous
In an age where reflective surfaces were rare, how would they know what they looked like?
Although I subscribe to the usual archaeology cop-out that they are ‘ritual’.
@Alan: Presumably the other women could have told them what they looked like? And they did know they possessed eyes, a nose, and a mouth.
But since every medium ever invented ends up being for porn, certainly clay sculpture could.
Regardless of OnlyFans or not, people have been making porn for 50K years or more.
@Alan, Anonymous, Allandrel
They’re self-portraits. If a pregnant person looks down at their own torso, that’s what it looks like. They don’t include faces, cos without a mirror how do you know what your own face looks like?
In principle, you could use some other artist’s help to add their perception of your face – but that’d be beside the point of a self-portrait. Even sculpting some generic human face as a placeholder could easily be seen as irrelevant in this context. If you lived your whole live with no mirrors or photos and scarcely any portraits painted of you, and this was also the experience of everyone else in your society, how’d your culture perceive the importance of depicting face in self-portraiture?
Misogyny on multiple levels. Doesn’t want women to be “too” sexual OR “too” intependent. Thinks their only worth is their looks or whatever else would please him.
About Venus of Willendorf and similar figurines, I don’t think we can know for sure who made them or why (maybe different ones were for different reasons), but I’m a bit skeptical of the claim people didn’t know what their own faces looked like. They could see their reflections in water. Now, it wouldn’t be as detailed as in mirrors or glass surfaces, but still. Of course, that doesn’t mean someone couldn’t decide to make a sculpture without a face. Or perhaps there were facial features etched in but not in deep enough relief, and they got eroded away over time.
@ epitome of incomprehensibility
Perhaps somewhat like Roman statues, the facial features were painted on?
Vampires don’t show up in mirrors because of their aversion to silver, and originally mirrors were silver backed. Same with photos; because film contains silver*. But presumably they show up on digital cameras?
(* A pub quiz question used to be ‘which company uses most of the world’s supply of silver’ and it used to be Kodak)
@Alan
In one of Fred Saberhagen’s Dracula novels, the titular count eventually got himself a video mirror – once you flipped the switch, you could see yourself on screen. There was a rather disquieting scene when a couple of other vampires broke into Dracula’s apartment and discovered the video mirror, reacting with a nice mix of wonder and resentment.
@.45 – that would make sense too!
@Alan –
Ah, I didn’t know that part of the mythology. Presumably they don’t need silverware either, if they just drink blood. 🙂 (DO they eat? I read the original Dracula more than 10 years ago, and I don’t remember a lot of details.)