Watch out, straight dudes! You may find yourself pining for a girlfriend, but find that there aren’t any on offer, because the lesbians have taken them all.
At least according to some dingbat on the Men’s Rights subreddit.
“[I]t’s clear more women are identifying as not straight or being into other women [rather] than men,” writes TheNamelessComposer in a recent post.
There are various reasons for this. Some feminists blame men, as usual, and there’s also the fact there’s less social stigma against women being with women.
It’s true that more people are describing themselves as gay or bi these days. But there’s also a vicious anti-gay backlash that’s building on the right.
I’m not homophobic
Oh no, I’m sure you don’t have any weird opinions about lesbians or anything.
or against any consenting adults doing what they want, but I do wonder about the social implications, and some of the social causes.
There aren’t really “social causes” behind sexuality; as Lady Gaga has noted, people are born that way. They may feel more or less comfortable sharing their sexual identity to the world because of social factors. but that’s not the same thing.
But I was thinking, it’s already hard for many men to find a woman, what will happen if more women identify as bisexual or lesbian and choose long term female partners rather than male ones?
Damn those lesbians, luring away the women who should rightfully be ours.
Or a polyamorous relationship with a man and another woman.
A man in a poly relationship with two women, what a terrible fate for him.
I’m not encouraging phobia, but it’s weird how many straight men encourage lesbianism when it can work against them in the long run.
How do they “encourage” it? Are straight men out there with t-shirts and signs spelling out their love of lesbians? I guess maybe they could be.
I mean even a lot of supposedly straight women say they’re attracted to women, prefer the female body or lesbian porn. I do wonder how much of this was created by male dominated media.
Wait, lesbian porn made by straight men is turning women into lesbians? Because most women I know, straight or gay or bi, think that commercial “lesbian” porn looks fake as hell.
TheNamelessComposer gets a mixed reaction from his colleagues on the Men’s Rights subreddit. Some agree that women are adopting lesbianism or bisexuality because of “social causes.”
Oceansarevast reports that
One acquaintance of mine that was born gay and was in the scene like forever, said there are one or two lesbians, the rest of the women are there for the show.
Ggleblanc2 thinks it’s all just a phase:
Back in the 1970s and 1980s, a lot of us referred to this phenomenon as “recreational lesbianism”. In other words, women would have sex with other women, but not necessarily relationships. Later on, in the 90s and 2000s, women in college seemed to experiment with lesbianism as a result of gender studies indoctrination.
One commenter thinks that polyamory was going to win out over traditional lesbianism. ArdentBlegh writes
I think lesbianism/bisexuality will be a drop in the ocean compared to polyamory. The data clearly shows that in modern dating, women would rather share a guy in the top ~20% than to settle for anyone lower. There seems to be zero stigma against it. If anything, it seems like popular culture and society at large is patting women on the back for it. So my money is on polyamory.
This “top 20 percent” thing that Red Pillers are always going on about is completely made up; it has no basis in fact. Most American men end up getting married to women; most men don’t spend their lives sitting on the shelf.
LouisdeRouvroy thinks the real problem is that too many women today are stuck-up.
It’s not like they would have had a male partner anyway since those are just not good enough for these women’s standards who think very highly of themselves.
The rise in “bisexuality” is very often a result of lack of males. When it is self-inflected, well who cares? Those women were already removed from the dating pool for men, so who cares what they do?
One commenter says that he doesn’t mind more lesbians because porn. AspirationsOfFreedom explains:
Some speculate that female sexuality could be more of a fluid spectrum than male sexuality, ether due to society or biology. Ether way, i don’t mind more lesbians/bisexuals. They are my favorite search criteria on naughty sites.
Pazz, taking a different tack than most of his peers, doesn’t blame women for anything.
There is also a rise in men openly admitting to themselves and the world that they are gay or bi. As society becomes less hostile to those ways of expressing love people who always felt that way are free to openly be that way.
This isn’t a case of women rejecting men. It’s people accepting love in all it’s forms. This should universally be celebrated.
Well said.
As weird as it is to find myself applying these words to a comment in the Men’s Rights subreddit, he’s right.
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How long until Pazz gets banned for not being a misogynistic a-hole, do you think?
How do these men with their bullshit suppositions about human behavior get to be so loud and so wrong!
Its one thing to be loud. It’s one thing to be wrong. But to be both loud and wrong is a work of art, because it’s soooo easy to remedy their questions by simply asking the people you have questions about. But I guess wild guessing is a lot easier than asking lesbians why they decided to come out.
it’s just that I come from a class of people who simply ask questions rather make wild fkn guesses about why other people are doing something I find puzzling. I find trump supporters deeply puzzling but I do actually listen to their reasons for why they do it. (Well, I at least listen to their responses to people who can spend more than five minutes in their orbit without tearing their hair out.)
What show, though? Is it any good? Can bi women watch it, or is it exclusively for lesbians??
Okay, seriously,
a) why take someone’s (perhaps unserious) speculations at face value
and
b) why assume that this guy’s community or “scene” is a microcosm of all queer people everywhere?
I don’t remember the name of the film, but I saw a Western years ago, where a rather memorable line came up, that seems oddly relevant – to the effect of:
Guy 1 “Tell me I’m wrong!”
Guy 2 “you’re not only wrong, but you’re wrong at the top of your lungs.”
The people who frequent the incel boards, it would seem, are not only wrong at the top of their lungs, but thanks to their echo chamber, are not even just in stereo, they’ve got friggin Surround Sound.
They got so many things about lesbians wrong, because they cant comprehend sexuality or anything that are not involving or built to cater to them. Many things are came from their assumptions are based on male incorrect fetishization about lesbian in numerous media especially in porn.
When things arent really look like what they expected they start to make things up like this, ignorant people like them just never understand while they claim they already figured out everything. Well… they can just said anything that can make them sleep comfortably tonight, might as well as spit out some fevered fantasy and share it to their like-minded circle.
I still dont understand why people like them still like lesbians (even the reasons for liking them is questionable at best) while they find gay men unacceptable or repulsive because they are part of LGBTQ members. If they really care about mens rights, they should support gay men as well.
@ White Rose:
“Lesbians are HAWT, but gay men want to rape us!!!!!” is pretty much their thinking, though they might try to disguise the ‘rape us’ part with “Think of the young boys!!” :/
@White Rose “I still dont understand why people like them still like lesbians (even the reasons for liking them is questionable at best) while they find gay men unacceptable or repulsive”
To put it bluntly, their reaction to gay men boils down to these guys being afraid someone might treat THEM the same way they treat anyone they find attractive.
Testing … is this thing on?
Another fucking mass shooting. This time in Chicago. Someone brought an AR to a Fourth of July parade … symbolic, no? “Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to get the hell out of Dodge. This republic well self-destruct in 5 years or so.”
Meanwhile, scary developments in Canada: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/07/02/oqqt-j02.html
Will anywhere be safe for me for much longer? Or will they come for me at some point and impress me into some Amazon sweatshop, or slap a gun in my hand and send me off to some forlorn battlefield, or have me “disappeared” for associating with the left, or simply turn me into a puff of vapor in one huge flash of light, or just pull away the only supports I have left and leave me to starve or freeze?
I’m worried my best case scenario 10 to 20 years from now might be to have died quickly and early, and my second-best is to be in some small enclave that ekes out a living by subsistence farming and by hoping that when the Hell’s Angels or Holnists or Trump Mafia or whoever comes around again they won’t demand too much tribute. I’m well past being able to do any farming myself, so if I found a niche there it would have to be as a storyteller, or doing some types of equipment repairs, or something. What happens in that world to someone who’s useless and not related to anyone important? What happens to someone who’s AMAB but not particularly masculine? To say nothing of: what happens to women in that world? Their worst-case scenario is probably a lot worse than mine.
And of course he was far-right:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/robert-bobby-crimo-person-of-interest-in-highland-park-parade-massacre-is-rapper-with-creepy-videos
Trump flag, attended Trump rallies, associated in some way with one of Finland’s domestic neo-Nazi groups … the works. No surprise at all there’s also a little evidence of misogyny (probably the tip of an eventual iceberg there) and his dad is petit bourgeoisie. No articles about him mention a mother … probably left after one too many beatings from the dad. If you asked Stephen King to write a background for a far-right terrorist or militia member you’d probably get exactly the same stuff, down to the last detail.
Also a history of violent depictions, including of school shootings, very reminiscent of art produced by a number of other mass shooters of note, including the Columbine killers all the way back in the 90s.
https://patch.com/illinois/highlandpark/amateur-rapper-bobby-crimo-iii-wrote-i-know-what-i-have-do
A bit more info there, and we also see a disturbing picture here. Robert Sawyer’s thesis in “Quantum Night” was clearly wrong. High-RWA individuals are not p-zombies void of interiority; this Crimo guy is a self-aware high-RWA individual who knows exactly what he is and who likened himself to a “toy soldier”, void of free will but fully aware all the same. Which is even scarier. These people are in a species of hell, as well as posing a danger to others … and there are a damned lot of them. (Reading about Moldbug, the “dark enlightenment” philosopher, it became clear to me that he too was a fully self-aware high-RWA. He once described himself as a subject in search of a worthy king to be the subject of. Like Crimo, he knows exactly who, and what, he is. No doubt in my mind: no human beings, other than perhaps a handful of profoundly disabled ones, are p-zombies, whatever their RWA scores. The high-RWA ones simply have a profoundly external locus of … not just control, but identity and motivation and such.)
You are partly correct, Mr. MRA. Most guys do not meet my standards — but some do. And yeah, I do think very highly of myself.
@Surplus
No, not in Chicago. Highland Park isn’t even in the same county as Chicago. It’s about 30 miles away from Chicago and the demographics are totally different from Chicago.
If you want to say “in the Chicagoland area,” you could probably get away with it because “Chicagoland” basically means “that part of northern Illinois that includes Chicago and other towns in the tri-county area.”
Signed, an occasional Chicagoland resident in her youth.
It is amazing how much of an expert these clowns are without ever doing any actual research but instead drawing from their observations (as if they are some unbiased bastion of knowledge). These manosphere men know everything about lesbians because being a man makes them an expert on women. But what I especially find amusing is their the birth rates are falling and it is due to lesbians being dead ends. Never mind that studies have shown that around 60% of same sex couples have a child from a previous relationship and 33% of female same sex relationships have a child in the house. I’ve know many lesbians that had kids.
Mediocrites:
Their hatred of gay men has its foundation in hatred of women. They like to compare gay men to women and it’s easier to express their hatred of gay men than it is to express their out right hatred of the cisgender women they want to have sex with.
Their lust for lesbians has its foundation in their desire for women. They hate women but they desire them too, and lesbians have basically told them “I’m not available to you.”
Re: The Highland Park shooting (which wasn’t even the only mass shooting that day, just the most attention-grabbing one), conservatives have been throwing blame left and right, with drugs, video games, porn, feminism, and trans people being popular targets (the latter because the shooter wore a wig as a disguise). Tucker Carlson has a particularly… interesting take, where he claims that school counselors freely hand out psychotropic drugs. He also claimed that young men get violent because most of them have no future yet are told that they have “male privilege”.
I don’t know if you will read it, but I would like If you read datepsychology blog. It crushes all that incel rethoric with data.
If forced to choose between an MRA and a lesbian… welp, I’m gonna go sapphic.
Thankfully there are still decent men in the world for me to have the hots for.
“Lesbian” porn is, as David said, fake and cheesy and an extreme turn off for women of all or no sexual identity. And… a guy in a relationship with two women? Isn’t that the ultimate fantasy of extremely too many men?
@Mediocrates: Well-said! (And great screen name)
@ Fishy Goat Well, I definitely hope Reynhard Sinaga is an outlier, given his crimes were so numerous.