Well, we knew it was coming. Though that doesn’t really help much. What a fucking disaster this is.
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@Crip Dyke:
That’s because this isn’t a normal US court anymore. It is a Nazi court, like you might have found in Berlin in 1936.
The last time the US Supreme Court acted in this manner was 1857. I’m sure no one here needs reminding what happened very soon afterward.
Mental gymnastics that rely on thin technicalities is a pretty sure sign that whoever is doing it already has a desired conclusion in mind. Like you said, they are fabricating reasoning in order to justify their own whims.
@Joaquin
My fellow commenters are being very kind to “debate” your half-assed attempt at trolling, but I am not feeling kind or charitable in the least to anti-women shitbags like you right now, so I’ll just say this: Fuck off. Fuck off forever. You’re just regurgitating the same tired old arguments that anti-choicers and gun nuts have been spewing for ages now, no matter how many times they’ve been taken down by actual facts and data. You don’t have a uterus? You don’t get a fucking say in what a woman (or the rare pregnant trans man/NB) does with THEIR BODY. Period.
You don’t want to go to jail for not paying child support? Pay your goddamn child support. You don’t want to pay child support? Then keep YOUR fucking legs closed, you irresponsible prick. You can’t have it both ways. And I’m not even going to bother with your idiotic defense on firearms, everyone else is doing a good job educating you there too, which you will, of course, ignore, because you didn’t come here to have an honest debate, you just came here to be an obnoxious piece of shit, which you’ve certainly accomplished. Good job.
Now fuck off forever.
@Crip Dyke:
Originalism is just a thin pretext for rolling back all the progress made by the Warren court. It’s hard to argue jurisprudence even exists when the court uses the same 14th Amendment in opposite ways within the same week to overturn 50 year old and 100+ year old laws.
As bad as Roe v. Wade is, an even more potentially harmful ruling is coming next week: West Virginia vs. EPA. (They always save the worst for last.) The Supreme Court is likely to completely upend the government’s ability to regulate carbon emissions, all pollution and all financial crimes by rich people. No more labor, wage or safety standards, food oversight, drug safety standards, education standards, etc. Red states will become unregulated sweatshop havens.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Brown v. Topeka Board of Education is next on the list of “settled law” to be revisited. After that, slavery, and a return to the 3/5 rule for blacks and women. This isn’t a court. It’s a panel of rogue jihadists consolidating power.
@Queen of the Harpies
Well said.
I’m not in the mood for politely entertaining “but what about MEEEE?” false equivalencies from MRAs worrying about their precious wallets in front of a group of people who just had their bodily autonomy taken away. It’s morally grotesque, like going to a slave auction and whining about the cost of keeping slaves and what a burden it is.
Here in the real world, there are rarely any consequences for men who decide to walk away from a pregnancy. There are no laws regulating their bodies. No pundits and legislators telling them they’re just breeding vessels and nothing more. No mobilization of neighbors and family and health care workers being incentivized to turn them in for bounties. No threat of being jailed for murder if they have a miscarriage. No withholding of medical treatment because it’s “God’s will”. It’s never the legal personhood of white men being debated. If they simply decide not to pay child support, nobody’s going after them in any meaningful way. A lot of men arrange to get paid under the table, or otherwise hide their income. Some simply stop working, or disappear.
Any time a woman has sex, she risks her physical health, her life, being socially shamed and shunned, having her life and career interrupted for eighteen years, poverty, the stigma of being a single mother with no support in a culture that doesn’t actually care about children, except as target practice for angry white misogynists with guns. Men don’t face any of those risks.
What’s happening here is so typical. Joaquin came waltzing in and sucked all the oxygen out of the room with “what about the MEN?” Once again, women get silenced. Once again, a man’s VERY hypothetical and VERY avoidable and relatively tiny problem gets centered, minimizing the reality of women dying, being maimed, being driven out of the public sphere, losing a fundamental right. Every time there’s a serious, life-or-death issue affecting women, some guy shows up with a splinter in his finger and demands that we all drop everything and triage him first.
If this thread is going to get derailed, could we at least talk about something real and interesting, like foods we love that no one else eats? (Circus peanuts, for me.)
@ buttercup
There’s a pub I go to that has big barrels full of monkey nuts (as we call them here), and you just help yourself. You could probably do that elephant thing like in The Simpsons.
The tradition is just to throw the shells on the floor; so it’s pleasantly crunchy underfoot.
Ah, yes, that.
To be lazy I hope I’ll be forgiven for just pasting something I did previously, It was in a Twitter chat to a journalist friend; hence the format.
@Alan:
I think Circus Peanuts may be a uniquely American
travestydelicacy. They’re these things:Thanks for the great explanation on settled vs. unsettled law. I put settled law in quotes because nothing is ever truly settled, I guess. It seems odd that fundamental rights and freedoms are, apparently, alienable (despite what the Declaration of Independence says) and vary depending upon who’s on the bench and who put them there. One day you’re considered a person, and the next day you’re not; but if you wait another 100 years, you might be again.
Elaine
No, i said “if they wanted symphaty from MEN, THEN they can eat shit and die”. Not the same.
Also, you are overestimating the amount of lethal complications during a pregnancy. OR i am underscoring them.
LouCPurr
No, that’s PRECISELY the point, i do not force women to “breed” they CHOOSE to have sex, and they CHOOSE with whom (SURPRISE, SURPRISE: they don’t choose ME, i’m SHOCKED).
For that matter, using the same logic, a man who leaves his pregnant girlfriend Is also archieving a solution. But in reality, is just a cowardly POS, like all men who run away from their responsibilities.
Elaine the witch
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/09/china/china-knife-attacks-mic-intl-hnk/index.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/9706196
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China
Were you saying something?
Also, for that matter: Can you explain to me HOW should i protect myself from a larger assailant OR MULTIPLE ATTACKERS? How can a disabled or elderly person protect himself against a young and strong criminal?
I’m open to suggestions, please!
Victorius Parasol:
Juniper:
WAIT WAIT WAIT! That changes EVERYTHING.
That Is completely UNACCEPTABLE.
This Is a matter of responsibilities, and NO ONE should deal with of the consecuences of something THEY DID NOT DECIDED. That’s just sick and wrong.
Because “f.uck them”. That’s why.
CORRECTION: MEN AND WOMEN should be punished for being irresponsible. Problem Is, women NEVER judge irresponsible men.
@Joaquin
I’ve had 3 miscarriages. the last one got me so sick, I was hospitalized. you are overestimating them. But let me guess, I don’t matter because I’m a small percentage in your world.
And the united states want to get rid of birth control, so I won’t be able to prevent that from happening at all.
Whoop there it is. We found the source of his anger.
@Joaquin
You can defend yourself how ever you want. I have many guns, I’ve never tried to take guns away. but a knife can’t mow down a entire nightclub of people the same way a gun can. but nice try.
@ buttercup
http://basementrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/invasion-of-the-body-snatchers-1956-youre-next-theyre-here-kevin-mccarthy.jpg
@sunny
yeah, the guy who doesn’t want to pay child support or use birth control would be such a great father don’t you know
@elaine
It’s a familiar pattern. “Women won’t bone me therefore they deserve to suffer and I deserve to have consequence free sex. This must happen in the name of personal responsibility!”
@sunny
Jackass can lay down on the floor and let me kick him into the balls for several hours until he’s gushing blood, then have to go sit in an emergency room for 8 hours only to be told there isn’t much they can do for him but watch him for a couple days. Then he can talk to me about “responsibility”.
Yeah, so shocking. You seem like such a kind and level-headed fellow.
Ehhhhhhhh? You never listen to women, do you. That’s the source of your problems here.
@Joaquin
Also, for God’s sake you idiot. its sympathy. that’s how you spell it.
What about cherries?
Red AND black?
Juniper:
Joaquin:
Okay, hold on. You mean Joaquin charged in here to give an opinion on Roe v. Wade being overturned without understanding even the basic facts about the laws he’s supporting?
WHOAH IF TRUE!
Don’t know how I missed this on the first read-through, but…
Juniper:
Joaquin’s response?
See, there you go. It always was just about punishing people who have sex.
What.
A.
Douchbag.
@crip
Oh yeah. This dude wants babies to be abused and die slowly. Because hey, it will tear a woman up to give birth to the thing. After the torture is done though, he wants that thing to die so he doesn’t have to pay for it. Disgusting
@Joaquin:
Ah. Now we get to the quux of the matter — you’re an incel with a nasty case of sour grapes! Explains much, thanks.
@Whiny incel troll:
@Buttercup
Hit the nail right on the head. The entire “incel” movement itself is essentially based on “Waaah, I can’t get muh dick wet, I blame evil slutty feminists for all my problems, plus the downfall of society!!!” ;~; And the reaction to this latest blow against personal autonomy that will literally kill and imprison people (just for an extra helping of salt on the wound) is “Serves those dumb sluts right!!! Now why won’t any of these stuck-up bitches date me???” Gee, I wonder…
Circus peanuts are an abomination for sure, but eat what you like. I tend to hate 95% of cheese (it often upsets my stomach for no apparent reason in addition to tasting unpleasant), including what most people would call the “good stuff”, but I enjoy that “fake”, fast food, processed cheese that you usually find on burgers and such. (It can bother my stomach too sometimes, but it’s just completely random.) Maybe because it tends to be milder and not as smelly.
Naaah, this Is PURE gold:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10954353/amp/Women-threaten-SEX-STRIKE-protest-SCOTUS-overturning-Roe-v-Wade.html
It’s litterally THE most funny thing i’ve seen this year.
Joke’s on them: anti-abortion people don’t Sleep around either way, so feminists going on sex strike only affects them and the scumbags they sleep with. Which is EXACTLY what conservatives wanted in the first place: to repress women’s sexuallity.
Priceless!!!
@Crip Dyke
Nah bah bah. Don’t you give me that bullshit.
Have sex all you want. In fact, do whatever you want, but if sonething happens, YOU deal with the consecuences.
What if you hit someone with your car? Are you going to say “waaah they punish me for driving!!!”???
You break it, you PAY IT.
Same applies for men. AND for everyone (provided they are ADULTS)
Why Is that SO HARD to understand. How the fuck do you carry your lives without ANY semblance of accountability???
@Elaine the Witch
Ah, so you can have guns, but want to restrict others from having them.
AND you have the gall to call conservatives hypocrites. YOU are the worst hypocrite of all.
@asshole dumb troll
I never said no one can have guns. I don’t try to restrict them.i said you do whatever you want. You on the other told me to just die since I can’t get pregnant right now without having incredible complications if i do.