I‘ve been rooting around in the Semen Retention subreddit again, and the insights I’m gaining about the wondrous power of my precious bodily fluids … well, they’re actually pretty terrible and I’m fairly certain that none of them are true.
But what do you think? Here are some of the I’m -pretty-sure-untrue things I learned today from the subreddit I’m still a little addicted to.
From this post:
The orgasm is a physical sacrifice that requires you to temporarily sacrifice your own higher mental faculties for the creation of another life. Mother nature never intended for it to be anything other than a tool for creating new life. It’s a massive nervous shock to your system and should not be looked at as a fun-button.
To be fair, it’s a lot more like a joystick than a fun button.
There’s something to be said for the connection and intimacy of sex with other people, but there’s absolutely nothing to be gained from masturbating. It’s like watering your driveway instead of your garden.
I don’t know about you, but I go to great lengths to avoid watering anyone’s garden (so to speak) when I have sex. That’s what condoms are for. Well, one of the things.
[W]e’re at the point in our evolution now where we don’t need to focus on reproducing as furiously as possible because we might get eaten by tigers or something.
Speak for yourself. One of my cats is definitely trying to eat me. Or at least my hair.
[E]very orgasm that doesn’t result in the creation of a life is theoretically nothing more than a waste of vital fluids that could have gone to better use … .
As what? Like glue?
Various other illnesses and negative events in the world can also be traced back to people who have chosen to waste their vital fluid as often as they’ve felt like it.
Big [citation needed] for these claims.
I’m not saying every single negative event is a result of this, but when you look at the benefits of sexual abstinence, it only makes sense that wasting your vital fluid would have the opposite effect on people, and it does. It makes us less than we can be. …
Orgasm is the polar opposite of human optimization. It’s giving away your vital resources to create another life.
Don’t worry, buddy, you can make more. Oh so much more. But we’ll get to that in a minute.
The male fruit flies expend lots of their resources (energy and time) in pursuit of virgin female fruit flies. As a result, they have less energy for self-maintenance and growth/development. The trade-off is the benefit of sexual success and the cost of a shorter lifespan.
I suspect that this ecological principle of “trade-offs” is not much different with humans.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that the main thing I have in common with fruit flies is that I like eating fruit.
Your body may keep telling you that … frequent sexual pursuit is necessary and rewarding, because your endocrine system doesn’t know the difference between your hand and a vagina.
Luckily my brain does. Isn’t that enough?
Another post:
Semen is the human equivalent of creation unmanifest, the key to our godly nature.
It doesn’t only manifest itself as a fluid but with it is our spiritual essence. In a sense, it is something magical or divine.
Yeah, dude. I don’t think I’m going to be attending your church any time soon.
You will notice that everything around you craves to have this cosmic force. …
You will be contacted, harassed by supernatural entities, you are more likely to have confusing sleep paralysis and perhaps succubi will come to steal your precious seed through nocturnal emissions.
“Perhaps succubi.”
There are powers working against humanity, who want people to be apathetic, lazy, addicted, sleepy, fearful, hateful, uncontrollable, lustful, perverse, degenerate. People like me want you to realize that you actually have the power to control and change yourself for the better. But they don’t want you to know that. They want you to think that you are an animal with urges and feelings that shouldn’t be suppressed or changed. So that they can manipulate and keep you in prison.
The masturbate-from-time-to-time prison.
Low spirits and demons will be attracted to you for they feed from your sperm vapors like food. With your depressed mind and weak condition, these entities will slowly gain the power to influence you.
Really hoping I’m not reeking of sperm vapors. That would be embarrassing!
I am not recommending you become celibate. It is not that bad if you ejaculate in your wife. Because at the moment of ejaculation your are not focusing on a fantasy, wasting your energy creating an addictive thought form. But you are actually exchanging energy with your wife.
As long as your penis is in her vagina, it is not nearly as worse as masturbating to fantasies.
So should dudes just stick their dicks in the wives and leave them there? It’s a lot harder to masturbate when your dick is completely inside of another person.
But if we do masturbate, apparently we should use only softcore porn, like Playboy, and none of those nasty videos you can find so easily online. Or so I’ve heard.
When you succumb to the sexual desire replace the filthy fantasy by a picture of some beautiful naked woman. Be in high spirit, just focusing on her beautiful body and keep your mind clear from any other fantasies. It will be boring but it is highly beneficial that you stop losing your life force to the sick fantasies that addict you.
When you simply ejaculate to a photo of a boring naked woman, you still suffer loss of your creative sex force, but prevent yourself from feeding your addictive fantasies and moral degeneration.
This seems like kind of a big loophole in the whole NoFapping/no porn philosophy. But who am I to judge?
Anyway, here’s Wonderwall one more post:
[E]jaculating outside a vagina is cheating against nature, I mean think about it, we want to get the pleasure and reject the purpose for it, we take our dicks off before ejaculating, the pleasure of orgasm is meant to mean that your body is happy achieving it is Mission of spreading its genes,
What was that bit about taking your dick off? I really hope I don’t have to do that.
animals do not do that it is not wasting there seed like this but rarely.
Uh, monkeys masturbate. Dogs hump legs. Dolphins apparently enjoy getting jerked off from time to time. (Or so I’ve read.) I knew someone in college who once had a summer job jerking off, I think it was pigs. Plenty of animals out there “wasting there seed,” sometimes with human help.
Also, what about all the countless sperm cells that don’t make it to the egg? Are they wasted too? And what about anal sex and gay sex and blowjobs? Is the only way to avoid “wasting seed” to have unprotected vaginal sex with a human in which you only let loose one sperm cell at a time? Because I’m pretty sure you can’t do that.
And what if the one hypothetical sperm pooped out and failed in his mission? Heck, what if you send a giant army of sperm swimming up her hoo-ha and none of them get into the egg. Because that’s what happens most of the time, even without birth control.
I’m pretty sure the reason that evolution gave us male animals the ability to create so, so much seemingly excess sperm is because it’s planning for this sort of failure. It’s not against nature to spill some seed on the ground; it’s basically expected.
Sperm is plentiful and cheap; there’s no benefit to hoarding it. Whatever “gains” no fappers get from not fapping are alnost certainly nothing more than the placebo effect at work, and virtually everything posted on the assorted semen retention forums you can find online is simply wrong, if not an outright lie. There are more things in heaven and Earth, semen retainers, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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Can I say how frustrating the naturalistic fallacy is when it’s fucked up?
Way off topic, I know, but Politico just leaked an early draft of a decision by the Supreme Court suggesting they may overturn Roe vs. Wade.
Or—and this might sound crazy, but bear with me—maybe it’s more like a pressure release valve your body has that automatically kicks in when you’re not “releasing” often enough yourself. Hence why those of us who either have sex or masturbate on a regular basis tend to not even have nocturnal emissions at all. Seems a tad more likely than supernatural hijinks and sex demons to me, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@David Futrelle:
So should dudes just stick their dicks in the wives and leave them there?
That’s what Lawrence L. Wilson’s Development Program advocates; they refer to the practice as Down Sex:
https://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/DOWN%20SEX.htm
Who here has read the Alito draft opinion overturning RoevWade & PPvCasey?
On the one hand I was sure it was coming, but on the other this opinion is even worse than I feared.
There were a bunch of fucking liberal douchbro lawyers who have been saying that SCOTUS values its reputational legitimacy too much to come out with something radical.
YOU WERE WRONG, FUCKERS.
All those people who say that they support abortion rights and voted for Trump anyway, fuck them. Fuck them right off the planet. You fucking idiots.
Full decision:
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000180-874f-dd36-a38c-c74f98520000
In some cases, it’s probably nervous jitters. Feels like you’re more alert and have more energy, but actually you’re no more alert than usual and just burn out faster.
Might actually be healthier to just drink coffee for the same effect. At least coffee has nutrients (mainly vitamin B2), and doesn’t involve disordered thinking similar to that of eating disorders.
@Crip Dyke
I’ve been vocally concerned for years that this ruling was coming. I didn’t know exactly what right was going to be the one at issue (though bodily autonomy in the context of pregnancy was high on the list), but I was having visions of them finding an excuse to rule that the logic that they’d been telling everyone for years that they intended to follow of “if a very, very specific case of a right isn’t spelled out explicitly in the Constitution and/or we decide that a particular amendment had unstated exceptions that cover this case, the right in question doesn’t exist” applies universally. The rightmost three-quarters of the political spectrum said I was being alarmist.
I wasn’t sure whether they’d go for “only those rights which we decide are included are real” or go full special-pleading “there is no ruling logic, we’ll just choose a rationalization that gives us the result we want in each case.” It looks like they’re exceeding my expectations and going for both at once. I somewhat bitterly asked a friend-of-a-friend whether LGBTQ+ people are collateral damage in the legal war against women, whether women are the collateral damage in the legal war against POC, or whether POC are collateral damage in some other war; they pointed out that it’s probably all of the above (which means that, as usual, people who are targets for multiple reasons are going to get the worst of it).
BRB, gotta go masturbate to, what was it, “boring pictures” of “boring naked women”? While assiduously avoiding any fantasy?
Golly, sounds great!
[Moved to other thread]
Yeah, I probably wouldn’t want to mentally recite Emily Dickinson’s “I’m Nobody! Who are you?” while I’m having an orgasm. But that’s okay. If I want to, I can do that immediately afterward. Or I can go to sleep and save that activity for another day.
I see: you’re not talking to women. A woman’s orgasm has absolutely nothing to do with creating new life. It’s for pleasure and creating connection.
You’re confusing an orgasm with electrocution.
You can’t truly appreciate fruit unless you spent your childhood inside a giant rotting fruit.
Conservatives: masturbation is unnatural.
My favorite support/advice website for people who own pet degus: “So you’ve just found out degus will self-fellate during mating season”
We’re talking about supernatural, multidimensional, unlimited entities who can go anywhere and have powers we can’t even conceive of…but for some reason they crave human jizz?
Imagine slipping off your earthly bonds and getting to the afterlife, only to discover your primary energy source is boogers.
Some time ago, I was on a virtual support group for bullied kids. A random guy came and said: “if you’re bullied at school, don’t masturbate because when you masturbate, bullies become more violent.”
He really said that. Thankfully, he was banished from the group.
The Maleficarum Marxius calls them “hedge-fund managers”.
@BlackBloc:
Pet whats?
@ surplus
These things!
I didn’t know they existed before blacbloc’s post; but I’m glad I do now.
South America is certainly rich in adorable rodents of all sizes.
Wouldn’t it be “better” to fap while awake and dispose of the semen rather than risking succubi stealing it?
Also, if you’re not a sperm-producing person, you can still go at it, I guess.
@Blackbloc; @Alan Robertshaw; @GSS ex-noob:
You also might enjoy the related viscacha, the result of crossing a rabbit, a squirrel, and a shortwave radio:
@FM Ox: I did indeed enjoy that. The whisker action is ridiculous.
@ full metal ox
Wow; all these cute fuzzies I didn’t know existed!
I’m tempted to slow down that recording to see what they are saying. But I’m worried it will turn out they’re plotting something that will make them less adorable.
In the (apocryphal) words of Groucho Marx, “I like my cigar too but I take it out once in a while.”
A multitude of sperm is required for fertilization to occur, which is why low sperm counts are a problem. If you put one sperm cell and one ovum in a dish, you’re not likely to get a fertilized egg out of it. The also-ran sperm release chemicals that prepare the ovum to basically lower its shields (i.e., alters membrane permeability) to accept one sperm. Also, the egg isn’t sitting there passively waiting to be penetrated. At some point it chooses a sperm to allow access, and sends out chemical signals to attract the one’s it’s interested in and discourage the rest. The sperm and egg are basically negotiating the whole thing all the way.
Naturally, I’ve enormously over-simplified the process here, but most people visualize the fertilization of an egg all wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5OvgQW6FG4
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/new-theory-on-how-the-aggressive-egg-attracts-sperm
https://www.manchester.ac.uk/discover/news/human-eggs-prefer-some-mens-sperm-over-others-research-shows/
@ prith
So not like this then?
“Semen retention?” What the hell for? If you really need to retain it for baby-making purposes, just donate some of it to a sperm bank. I’ve never seen such sad, pointless, laughably ridiculous essentialism about an “essence” that’s OBVIOUSLY not intended to be “retained” — and CANNOT be “retained” — with even 25% efficiency. These guys are laughably clueless, even by Manosphere standards. Seriously, WTF is wrong with that lot?
<i>You will notice that everything around you craves to have this cosmic force…</i>
Um…how many men really feel any hint that ANYTHING near them “craves to have” their semen? I’ve certainly never had any such feeling. Pray tell, what would it feel like if “everything around me” (like what — my bed sheets? My cats? My cookware? My lawn?) was craving my semen? Seriously, how has anyone ever tried to verify such a claim?
Silliest delusion EVER.