Women sure do love drama, amirite fellas?
That, in a nutshell, is one Men’s Rights Redditor’s explanation for the popularity of feminism amongst women. These women don’t give a shit about abstract ideas like equality and justice; they just get a rush from playing the victim and pushing feminism on hapless men.
“I’ve noticed a common theme in a lot of the feminist movement; the constant emotional high that they get from it,” psuedoscientist500 writes.
The vast majority of true crime shows, medical dramas, soap operas, and reality TV are [watched by] women. Feminism provides them with a constant supply of readily available drama just so they can have it their lives.
White feminist women in this country are the least oppressed demographic ever in this world, and yet they are constantly on the lookout for problems just so they can have them so they can keep claiming victim status.
Replace “feminist women” with “Men’s Rights Activists” and I’d agree with you.
It’s the embodiment of the worst of female nature, the emotional high from feeling like you’re constantly struggling because they want to be in their own soap operas.
The real struggle for them is when they realize there is no struggle and the world doesn’t actually care about them.
Might I suggest that what we’ve got here is a prime example of
at its worst?
After more than a decade watching these guys I have seem few people so enamored with whining about nothing and playing the victim; they are some of the most melodramatic doofuses I’ve ever run across. They’re constantly inventing new ways to pretend to suffer, and new reasons for why the world is, in their estimation, on the verge of utter collapse. Given how little actual activism they ever do, it’s pretty clear that drumming up drama in their own heads and yelling about it online is as close as any of them will ever get to changing the world.
Not that they really want to change anything. Because if they were able to improve the world in any real way — say, by helping address the issue of workplace safety, which they’ve complained about endlessly for decades — it would give them less to kvetch about. There’s really nothing to Men’s Rights activism besides self-created drama and a desire to see women as villains.
Indeed, when one non-MRA responds to psuedoscientist500’s assertions by noting that the alleged activists of the Men’s RIghts subreddit are driven not by logic but by anger, and that they’re “experiencing the same ‘high’ on tbis exact subreddit,” they’re voted down way past zero. And their comment draws this response, from someone called CherpieBerd:
“These men” you speak of on this subreddit are good people. If there’s anger, it’s towards everything that’s done them wrong. They have good reason to be mad when society has swept their suffering like eggshells under the rug. If you don’t see any logic held here, thats your problem.
Their suffering “swept … like eggshells under the rug.” Even if this were true (it’s not), that strikes me as a rather, well, grandiloquent way to put it. That’s just how these guys are.
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I’d rather use my eggshells as a drainage layer in my houseplants, at least the ones in the smaller pots. I can get a ready supply of shells as I need them, and they supply nutrients to the plants themselves to boot. Win/win, at least from my perspective.
Now if I can just figure out how to do a drainage layer in the huge pots used in container gardening I’ll be closer to being all set with my planned butterfly garden. Having a hole in the bottom to let the water out is not the best solution, since I live several stories up and the neighbors below me might not like ‘dirty’ water dripping down onto their balconies. Just have to look up possible solutions to that sometime in the next few days.
Add a little spout to direct the water over the side of the balcony to fall straight down to street level?
No struggle, no drama, huh? Run that by all the single mothers trying to rise a kid on a minimum wage part time job in the US.
I used to bring some home cooking of mine to work. I could often find people willing to help eat it, but one of my coworkers in particular always jumped on any chance to eat anything I brought. I liked her, assumed she had a thing for my cooking, and happily gave her whatever she wanted.
It wasn’t until after a month or so of this going on that I realized she was so poor she was giving most of the food she bought to her son and using me for a good portion of her own calories.
She might have felt guilty or ashamed of it, because when her fortunes improved she stopped eating my food so much. (At least that is what my inner Betty Crocker wants to believe, because the alternative is my cooking isn’t as good as I think…)
I’d say he was semi-self aware with that name, but I’ve stopped giving these types the benefit of the doubt. And his screed would rank among the more objectionable pseudosciences (and it has a lot of competition there).
I’d say Lindsay, Pluckrose & Boghossian could give any pseudoscientist a run for their money.
Suffering and eggshell ? In France, we would said they “calimérotent” (are “calimeroting”, if you want a barbarism…)
… This is a troll, right? It’s not a troll? Just their usual complete and utter lack of self-awareness? Okay then.
Uh-huh. Unlike the keyboard “activists” who created a movement to cry about how hard life is when supermodels won’t bang them for free and another, overlapping movement dedicated to ignoring the mean, evil, slimy girls… by whining about them constantly. That’s true oppression right there.
Additionally, I’d say it’s the guys I know who veer toward drama programs more. While we both hate the fake/scripted stuff (Law and Order type crime shows), my dad watches a lot of the real life “murder shows” (as I call them) and can do this for hours/days on end, whereas I burn out quickly from the emotional impact. (Because I am a fragile female, after all.) He also likes watching shows about air disasters and other such things, which are usually geared more toward a male audience anyway, due to stuff blowing up/being destroyed.
And one of my brothers, when he was younger, loved to watch pro wrestling, which is basically just Soap Operas for Men. I couldn’t stand the fake cheesiness myself, nor do I care for the female-targeted “traditional” soap operas.
Most action movies and TV shows tend to have a lot of drama too, and guess who their target audience is. I guess it doesn’t count as “drama” if it doesn’t involve lots of love triangles and shocking plot twists? (Wait, actually, there are a lot of those in more male-oriented programs too. And Mr. Plot Tweest himself, M. Night Shyamalan, just happens to be a guy. Whaddya know?)
Right after straight white cis men, and non/anti feminist cis white women. Who are usually doing the bulk of this complaining about feminists.
They never ever ever have a single moment of introspection or self-awareness, do they?
Goddamn do they project so fucking hard.
IMAX called – they have jobs for these douchebags
This is also an example of the MRA tendancy to identify anything primarily targeted at women as feminist, which isn’t how that works.
@Redsilkphoenix
I use a double layer of cardboard over a piece of dead t-shirt inside the pots. Doesn’t interfere with the drainage, but keeps the dirt inside. For balconies, stand the pots on a plastic tray and leave a cheapo sponge in the tray. Sponge sucks up the water and slows down overflowing in all but the heaviest rainstorms, it’s easy enough to lift out and squeeze out the excess water, and it’s right there for wiping the trays down and keeping things neat.
When I think of the phrase “swept under the rug” I always picture dust and fluff and floor stuff. Eggshells, not so much.
Ah the old “my feelings are LOGIC yours are STOOPID” defence. Maybe all those eggs are ending up on the floor because they’ve been thrown, very rationally of course, from his pram.
@Threp
Thanks for your container garden tips! Just moved to an apartment with a balcony and am trying to grow things again…I will be using your suggestions for drainage. 🙂
If they’re sweeping their eggshells under the rug, no wonder the rest of us are always having to walk on them.
I love that this is said with a straight face by the “sleep like a Spartan, retain semen, read Sun Tzu, and eat only meat because you’re a HIGH VALUE WARRIOR!!” crowd.
When these eggshells of suffering are swept under the rug… are they dry? Or are they like, freshly-cracked eggshells with the the wet dangly pain bits still on? That’s even more unsanitary, and I was already confused at who was putting eggshells on the floor in the first place. The metaphor needs work.
I propose that we are pouring their suffering down the drain like so much wasted aquafaba, instead.
When I see a Men’s Rights Activist actually do something to help men (choose any issue that may affect a guy – health, divorce and custody issues, safety, anything you please) I’ll be a believer. They seem to think feminism gives women unfair advantages, makes them hate their men, something They don’t clearly state why they think this is so.
A side note. I do not know personally the feminist women who comment on this site, but I note that a number of them are also in happy relationships and seem to really love their guys. Hmm. So I guess maybe it’s not “feminism” after all that is the problem?
@45, you did a good deed….life isn’t easy for single parents like these crazy internet trolls make it seem.
*thinks back on all the drama queen girls in high school*
Nope, still less melodramatic and histrionic than MRAs and miggies.
And nobody sweeps eggshells under the rug. I dunno, maybe miggies do, they seem incompetent at everything.
@Threp: quite a good system! Wish I’d known this when I lived in an apartment with a balcony.
swept their suffering…like eggshells…under the rug??
@Threp,
I’ll have to try some of those suggestions when I get ready to actually put the dirt in my pots. Though I suspect I’ll have to use coffee filters instead of dead t-shirts, since I don’t have any in bad enough condition to use for that.
Didn’t think about using a sponge like that. That would be a useful way to help keep the water from overflowing too much. And I was planning to use the kind of plastic saucer that had wheels on them so I could move them easier by myself if I needed them in a different spot.
And while poking around the ‘net looking for how to set up a butterfly garden in some containers, I stumbled across this site:
https://www.enjoycontainergardening.com/blog/
Based on the little I’ve read so far on there, it seem to have some advice for rank beginners on how to set their pots up.
https://www.enjoycontainergardening.com/blog/container-growing/
Plus some tips on how to create various ‘themes’ like cut flowers, butterfly, herbs, etc. Worth a look, at the very least.
And now for something completely different: dog owners who have evidently never seen dogs interacting with each other before.
https://www.advocate.com/news/2022/3/21/dog-abandoned-shelter-because-owners-say-hes-gay
Don’t know if I should facepalm this or rofl at it instead.
@ Malintzin
The thing is that the MRAs likely wouldn’t pay any attention to this woman or count her example as very meaningful, because she was not white, not thin, and being none too shy about sleeping around (I believe she now has three children, all different fathers). To them, women like that are irrelevant and you can’t use their experiences to counter their argument. Remember, MRAs decide what constitutes a “woman”, not mainstream society, and certainly not women themselves.
Edit: Yes, I feel like I kind of contradicted myself there, with my first post saying “Look at this example”, and my second saying “But it doesn’t count to them”. It is the truth though. There are plenty of examples to counter MRA claims, but by their chosen rules, none of them actually count. Kind of hard to argue with someone who rejects the very ideas and concepts your argument rests on. Just musing out loud here.
@Redsilkphoenix
Both? Hatred and stupidity go hand in hand. What a dumbass. I hope the doggo gets a good home.
The “gay” dog has a new home: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fezco-dog-dumped-shelter-gay-adopted_n_623a3dc2e4b0d39357ce1a85
@Mimi
Thanks for the update! Glad there was a happy ending.
I’ve seen how MRAs respond to the mere possibility that someone calls them out for a lack of personal responsibility. They love all sorts of drama.