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There are two things that every antifeminist believes in like gravity:
- Feminist men only pretend to be feminist in order to get laid
- They fail at this because no woman wants to have sex with a feminist man
A new(ish) study from two researchers at Canada’s McMaster University suggests that the antifeminists are full of it:
Not only do feminist men have sex, they have more sex than non-feminist men, and, in line with their general respect for women, appear to care more about the sexual satisfaction of their partners, going down on women more often and fondling their boobs. Reports suggest that sex-having women tend to enjoy both of these activities.
According to Max Stick, a doctoral candidate in sociology, and Tina Fetner, chair of the sociology department,
This study explores … the relationship between feminist identification and sexual behavior. In heterosexual encounters, do feminist men report having sex more recently than those who do not call themselves feminists? During sexual encounters, do feminist men behave differently than non-feminists? In particular, do feminist men organize their sexual behavior in a way that prioritizes their partners’ sexual pleasure to a greater extent than non-feminists?
Their answer? An unequivocal yes means yes.
Using representative survey data of Canadian adults, we examine the self-reported sexual behavior of heterosexual Canadian men. We find that self-identifying feminist men report having sex more recently and are more likely to report engaging in breast stimulation and performing oral sex on their partners than non-feminists.
In an article for The Conversation, Stick explains that
In private sexual encounters, feminist men and those ambivalent toward feminism, perform sexual behaviours targeting women’s pleasure at a higher rate than those disavowing feminism, suggesting these men may care about their partners as expressed through the performance of equality in sexual pleasure. …
Feminist men help transcend sexual (interaction) inequality by bridging the gender gap in orgasms.
It kind of makes sense that men who actually like and respect women would do more to please their sexual partners than men who hate feminism and, often, women in general.
But feminist men don’t ignore their own sexual desires in their attempts to please women. Stick notes that
While feminist men reported giving oral sex to their partners more recently, they also engaged in intercourse and received oral sex more recently than non-feminist men, suggesting they do not sacrifice their own pleasure.
So, IN YOUR FACE, ANTIFEMINISTS.
As you may imagine, this study has not been received warmly in the antifeminists subredddit. After one user recently posted a link to Stick’s article, it inspired an assortment of irate and oblivious comments that inadvertently revealed why antifeminists are likely shit in bed.
Nishuu-j217, who started the thread, declared indignantly that
It’s so damn clear what the purpose of these articles actually is. They will liter do anything to turn men into simps.
Some, ignoring the findings altogether, simply repeated the old antifeminist dogma. According to a commenter called Pingayaso , in the top comment in the thread,
That’s why simps are simps, since they’re unable to be liked by women, they have to rely on the misandrist narrative to impress some feminist and wait for a crumb.
Spoiler alert, it doesn’t work
“”Lol any normal man knows 100 percent that this is cap but ok,” BS-Calrissian insisted.
Vasekgamescz seemed a bit dizzy:
They honestly think we are so dumb as to fall prey to classic bait of playing with our primitive instincts deeply imbeded in all of us, just to become a simp for misandry driven women, and would probably never actually get even close to having sex, instead going in circles of mindlessly following commands in hopes of getting some. wow.
Wow indeed.
Some suggested that the feminist men in the survey were actually having sex “[w]ith other men and their hands. For sure.”
Quizzii echoed this implicit homphobia:
Yeah but taking huge dillos in the ass is not the best sex ootion you can dream of as a male…
Just_some_guy8484 insisted that
Even if the assertion of the title of the article is true, which I’m pretty sure statistics prove that it is demonstrably false, the sex feminist men are having is not, in my opinion, the kind of sex they or anyone really would want anyways. Basically, most hard-core feminist women I know are not attractive people physically. People who sacrifice their sexual standards to procure sex have some seriously low self-esteem and virtually no individual character at all.
One commenter had a more imaginative vision of feminist sex. According to Massive_Pressure_516
They probably count hiding in a closet and jacking off to your wife getting inseminated by a stranger as sex.
(Note: They don’t.)
Still others insisted that sex that puts women’s needs first, or even equally, was pretty sour, as in grapes. ” I still ain’t going to degrade myself just for sex lol,” wrote ExMuzzy.
Added ShiZniT3:
male feminists have more sex because they are treated like obedient pets with benefits. that level of degradation is not worth the sex… rule34 is proof of that.
(Note: the study found this to be untrue. It’s almost as if no one in the discussion actually bothered to read Stick’s article.)
PsychologicalItem353 insisted that it was unfair to men to have “to push beyond their natural limits in order to please women every day,” as if finding the clit was some sort of Sisyphean torture.
In a followup comment, he declared that
honestly I don’t give a damn about sex. … haha I’m sorry for not wanting to push beyond to please a woman every time she wants to have sex and when I’m done I’m drained of my energy. Yeah it takes work in a relationship but sorry I’m not going to drive through till she is satisfied. Knowing if I do so I’m going to feel like shit when done. You wouldn’t want to do that right? So men shouldn’t have to do so and knowing the repercussions.
I’m sure the women of the world feel absolutely bereft at his absence from the sexual arena.
Large-Victory apparently thought he was bringing some good sense to the discussion:
See it’s totally fine for making your girl to oragsm. The thing here is some men do anything to get a pussy, just like what I used to be, and it’s dangerous thing and pulls many men into resentment and anger if things don’t work out in their way.
But my favorte exchange was this one, between the thread-starter and a much-downvoted feminist who was there to argue with the crowd:
IT IS INDEED A MYSTERY!
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@Alan
Not sure I’d pin my hopes on an ethics committee that didn’t balk at the term “nuclear land mine”…
Also no mention of how their 1955 study “found” that this nuclear landmine would stop Soviet advance.
I like that the article mentioned that it *might* be difficult to go around burying these without the Soviets noticing.
I came in too late for our troll, but the first thing I noticed was… ‘henati’ artist? Was that supposed to be ‘hentai’ and he just couldn’t admit that he spelled it wrong the first time and had to double down on even that? It was pretty obvious a lot of the others figured out what he had actually meant, but still… hunh?
@Lumipuna:
Well, yes, in German it’s ‘Osterreich’, and if you say that out loud it’s not difficult to hear how we got from aws-ter-rei(kh) to aws-tree-yah.
@Alan:
You’re reminding me that I still have an old copy of Stephen Pile’s The Incomplete Book of Failures: The Official Handbook of the Not Terribly Good Club of Great Britain on the shelves around here somewhere. Which included a number of military devices rather spectacular for their failures.
First I learned about project acoustic kitty, now you’re telling me they tried to make chicken bombs? The cold war really was something.
@Tovius: World War II had the Bat Bomb. Weapon R&D had a lot of absurdity all over history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb
@Lumipune: The same goes for dutch (Oostenrijk).
@Alan
We do a lot of cruel things to chickens. Frankly, I’m surprised there hasn’t already been an uprising.
I may be an unapologetic meat-eater, but that doesn’t mean I want the animals being made into meat (or any other animals, really) to be miserable and mistreated.
@Tovius, Battering Lamb
I think I heard something about seals (not Navy) and/or dolphins used to detect underwater mines. Anyone else know what I’m talking about?
@Jenora
Heh, “henati”. My brain just auto-corrected that typo.
I was wondering if “henati” was some sort of deliberate typo, like “teh” being used instead of “the” in certain contexts. It’s hard to say what this particular incel had in mind, and frankly I don’t much care. But I gotta wonder why he thinks he’s able to “take on” 10 journalists if all he can do is make declarations with little explanation of his conclusions. (If you can call them “conclusions” – it might be better to call them “assertions.”)
It reminds me a bit of that gal (a Veritas worker) who tried to convince a Washington Post reporter that she had some dirt on Robert Mueller, and after a bit of checking, the WaPo reporter sat her down and gently explained that as far as they could tell, there was nothing to her story. Based on the footage I saw, the young Veritas worker hadn’t really prepared to have her story challenged in any way. I almost felt sorry for her, except for the fact that she’d lied so clumsily.
I was curious to hear more about his Ferengi pickup tactics. Specifically, which “intellectual femoids” he likes to quote at women and why he thinks he has a deeper understanding than the rest of the world about a subject he clearly has nothing but knee-jerk contempt for.
I mean, assuming that that nightclub episode ever happened, and isn’t just another abstract incel thought experiment pretending to prove something about how real humans behave. I don’t even understand why “women don’t drop their panties when I radiate hatred at them” is some sort of novel, surprising revelation. Okay? Have a cookie?
@Queen of the Harpies
Although I do enjoy and get great fulfillment from what I do, it’s a little more to me than what most people think of as a hobby. I combine performance art with my own personal expression of intimacy and sexual fulfillment in my intimate relationships and do that openly and with conscious intent to subvert and also not just subvert but furiously contest patriarchy and misogyny. Writing that makes it sound more clinical than it is to me inside my heart and in my body but that’s maybe the best way to put it into words. Goddess worship and embodiment or the Divine Feminine is a big part of me and how I live and the relationships I have but I don’t usually mention that part explicitly here in WHTM comments because I know some regular commenters here have expressed skepticism at least or maybe have negative opinions about people who like those concepts and this is the last place I want to get into it with someone. (Except trolls because I love, love, love to be as nasty to them as possible.) I’m a tyrannical bitch TRULY but mainly about enforcing my right to choose my own partners and have full personal autonomy especially over my body and to enjoy my orgasms, not about stuff people here might reasonably disagree on.
I do have a blog but I keep it private and invitation only, mainly for my worshippers and my sponsors and assistant, and occasionally others.
No, not a Satyr really, just my own personal version of a demonic female supernatural being.
Which is what I am.
I figured I’d stick this update here, since this is the thread where I first mentioned the biopsy.
Without getting into the more vivid details, what we thought was the size of an almond is more like a ping-pong ball, so I’m going in for outpatient surgery under sedation in a couple weeks. Mr. Parasol is being awesome, but if he could find something to punch and make me better, he’d break all his fingers.
I’m going to curl up with a kitty and my husband for a while.
@Victorious Parasol
Sending you light, love, and support
Thank you, Stacey. I’m allowing myself some crash time before I have to be all competent adult about it all.
I don’t understand misogynists’ aversion to breast stimulation. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen it stated outright, but I’ve definitely seen hints of contempt and condescension about the concept of fondling boobies. Are they just against it on general principle, on the grounds that women like having their boobies fondled?
As a straight guy, I love tits, and I love touching them, and I don’t see how that’s something I should be ashamed of or embarrassed about. If women like having their tits touched (consensually, of course), then it’s a win-win for everyone involved, right? If it makes them happy, then that makes me happy, but I enjoy boobie-fondling as much for my own sexual gratification as for theirs.
Oh no. Hang in there @Victorious Parasole 🙁 and yeah, crash time sounds like a good idea. Cats are amazing for those times when the world seems against you.
@Vicky P: I’m heartened that it’s only outpatient surgery, that sounds less serious. Certainly less annoying.
Plenty of time for adulting later. Hugs from me and my cat for you and Mr. P!
@ Vicky P
At times like these, crash time is the competent adult choice. I really feel for you. I hope those couple of weeks fly by so you’re treated as soon as possible. Wishing you a full and speedy recovery.
@ Victorious Parasol
That’s bad. I hope everything goes well and you have a speedy recovery.
@Victorious Parasol – Best wishes for a speedy recovery! I don’t look forward to medical procedures either, even smaller ones, so I’m sending lots of good thoughts your way.
@Writer John –
Yeah, you’d think! But resentment getting in the way of actual fun experiences is kind of on-brand for people who think that way.
Okay, some personal news from me: my parents are coming back with their new puppy on Monday(!) His name is Shiloh (which was the name of a beagle in a book, and this one is a goldendoodle, but anyway). I’m partly excited, but also a bit overwhelmed because I already have a lot going on, like a midterm that same day. (Exams and now new pets: the direction my life has taken makes me feel like a scared kid, and I’m friggin 33.)
@Victorious Parasol
All best wishes for the best possible outcome.
@epitome of incomprehensibility
A puppy? That’s a lovely development. And good luck on the exam!
@Stacey
Yeah, I knew “hobby” wasn’t exactly the best word choice for it, but I was tired and couldn’t phrase it better, sorry. I do understand. And I understand why you’d keep your blog private, so I don’t expect an invite since you don’t really know me and I’m fairly new-ish here. But I do enjoy what you share with us, I guess I’m just an admirer/curious fangirl.
May you continue to crush the souls of misogynists under your feet (or hooves, as the case may be) for years to come, you wonderful demonic bitch goddess.
@epitome
Shiloh! I still have that book on my self. Enjoy your new puppy!
@Vicky P
Kitty hugs.
I wish you all the best.
Thanks, everyone. I just finished notifying the family. I gotta admit, the way things have been escalating, I’m feeling pretty gloomy. It may be a day to watch some trashy TV.
@Victorious Parasol
I heartily recommend Miss Fisher’s Murder Mysteries, if you haven’t seen the series already.
@Writer John
Maybe I’m out of touch, but I’ve more often encountered the opposite dynamic – I’ve met a lot of women who don’t like having their boobs touched, just from past trauma around the level of objectification they’ve experienced. And outside my circles, I’ve read a lot of stuff by women who associate that contact with their experience breastfeeding => instant nope. Whereas misogynists seem obsessed with boobs, and blissfully unaware of the level of trauma and pain around them that women deal with.
(And I’m not going to lie, I love having them myself, but I missed out on a lot of that trauma – and even then, my family history of breast cancer often has me terrified. Breasts can be sensually fun for a lot of us but they’re also A Whole Huge Fucking Deal, and very few cis men seem to realize that IME.)
@Cyborgette
Oh, yes. Love the Hon. Phryne Fisher. Though today I may get caught up on the latest Agatha Raisin.