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There are two things that every antifeminist believes in like gravity:
- Feminist men only pretend to be feminist in order to get laid
- They fail at this because no woman wants to have sex with a feminist man
A new(ish) study from two researchers at Canada’s McMaster University suggests that the antifeminists are full of it:
Not only do feminist men have sex, they have more sex than non-feminist men, and, in line with their general respect for women, appear to care more about the sexual satisfaction of their partners, going down on women more often and fondling their boobs. Reports suggest that sex-having women tend to enjoy both of these activities.
According to Max Stick, a doctoral candidate in sociology, and Tina Fetner, chair of the sociology department,
This study explores … the relationship between feminist identification and sexual behavior. In heterosexual encounters, do feminist men report having sex more recently than those who do not call themselves feminists? During sexual encounters, do feminist men behave differently than non-feminists? In particular, do feminist men organize their sexual behavior in a way that prioritizes their partners’ sexual pleasure to a greater extent than non-feminists?
Their answer? An unequivocal yes means yes.
Using representative survey data of Canadian adults, we examine the self-reported sexual behavior of heterosexual Canadian men. We find that self-identifying feminist men report having sex more recently and are more likely to report engaging in breast stimulation and performing oral sex on their partners than non-feminists.
In an article for The Conversation, Stick explains that
In private sexual encounters, feminist men and those ambivalent toward feminism, perform sexual behaviours targeting women’s pleasure at a higher rate than those disavowing feminism, suggesting these men may care about their partners as expressed through the performance of equality in sexual pleasure. …
Feminist men help transcend sexual (interaction) inequality by bridging the gender gap in orgasms.
It kind of makes sense that men who actually like and respect women would do more to please their sexual partners than men who hate feminism and, often, women in general.
But feminist men don’t ignore their own sexual desires in their attempts to please women. Stick notes that
While feminist men reported giving oral sex to their partners more recently, they also engaged in intercourse and received oral sex more recently than non-feminist men, suggesting they do not sacrifice their own pleasure.
So, IN YOUR FACE, ANTIFEMINISTS.
As you may imagine, this study has not been received warmly in the antifeminists subredddit. After one user recently posted a link to Stick’s article, it inspired an assortment of irate and oblivious comments that inadvertently revealed why antifeminists are likely shit in bed.
Nishuu-j217, who started the thread, declared indignantly that
It’s so damn clear what the purpose of these articles actually is. They will liter do anything to turn men into simps.
Some, ignoring the findings altogether, simply repeated the old antifeminist dogma. According to a commenter called Pingayaso , in the top comment in the thread,
That’s why simps are simps, since they’re unable to be liked by women, they have to rely on the misandrist narrative to impress some feminist and wait for a crumb.
Spoiler alert, it doesn’t work
“”Lol any normal man knows 100 percent that this is cap but ok,” BS-Calrissian insisted.
Vasekgamescz seemed a bit dizzy:
They honestly think we are so dumb as to fall prey to classic bait of playing with our primitive instincts deeply imbeded in all of us, just to become a simp for misandry driven women, and would probably never actually get even close to having sex, instead going in circles of mindlessly following commands in hopes of getting some. wow.
Wow indeed.
Some suggested that the feminist men in the survey were actually having sex “[w]ith other men and their hands. For sure.”
Quizzii echoed this implicit homphobia:
Yeah but taking huge dillos in the ass is not the best sex ootion you can dream of as a male…
Just_some_guy8484 insisted that
Even if the assertion of the title of the article is true, which I’m pretty sure statistics prove that it is demonstrably false, the sex feminist men are having is not, in my opinion, the kind of sex they or anyone really would want anyways. Basically, most hard-core feminist women I know are not attractive people physically. People who sacrifice their sexual standards to procure sex have some seriously low self-esteem and virtually no individual character at all.
One commenter had a more imaginative vision of feminist sex. According to Massive_Pressure_516
They probably count hiding in a closet and jacking off to your wife getting inseminated by a stranger as sex.
(Note: They don’t.)
Still others insisted that sex that puts women’s needs first, or even equally, was pretty sour, as in grapes. ” I still ain’t going to degrade myself just for sex lol,” wrote ExMuzzy.
Added ShiZniT3:
male feminists have more sex because they are treated like obedient pets with benefits. that level of degradation is not worth the sex… rule34 is proof of that.
(Note: the study found this to be untrue. It’s almost as if no one in the discussion actually bothered to read Stick’s article.)
PsychologicalItem353 insisted that it was unfair to men to have “to push beyond their natural limits in order to please women every day,” as if finding the clit was some sort of Sisyphean torture.
In a followup comment, he declared that
honestly I don’t give a damn about sex. … haha I’m sorry for not wanting to push beyond to please a woman every time she wants to have sex and when I’m done I’m drained of my energy. Yeah it takes work in a relationship but sorry I’m not going to drive through till she is satisfied. Knowing if I do so I’m going to feel like shit when done. You wouldn’t want to do that right? So men shouldn’t have to do so and knowing the repercussions.
I’m sure the women of the world feel absolutely bereft at his absence from the sexual arena.
Large-Victory apparently thought he was bringing some good sense to the discussion:
See it’s totally fine for making your girl to oragsm. The thing here is some men do anything to get a pussy, just like what I used to be, and it’s dangerous thing and pulls many men into resentment and anger if things don’t work out in their way.
But my favorte exchange was this one, between the thread-starter and a much-downvoted feminist who was there to argue with the crowd:
IT IS INDEED A MYSTERY!
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Latest wannabe troll reminds me of the old playing chess with a pigeon thing, except this pigeon can’t even find its way onto the board (and still claims victory, of course).
@ opposablethumbs
If you buy a homing pigeon and it doesn’t come back, then what you have bought is a pigeon.
But pigeons are inherently good navigators. The USAF even experimented with pigeon guided cruise missiles (*Shakes fist at B F Skinner*).
Luckily for the pigeons, they worked out how to stick a radar in there.
(There were also chicken warmed nuclear land mines. It was hard being a birb in the Cold War)
There’s no polite way to leave us hanging here, sir; basic human decency demands that you elaborate.
Brilliant piece. So recognizable, these sorry comments and the sorry world behind them
@ gaebolga
The project was called Blue Peacock. Either that’s misdirection or the peacocks wouldn’t cooperate.
But the plan was to bury a series of 10Kt nuclear bombs on the North German Plain. So that in the event of a Soviet Invasion they could be detonated remotely.
However as one might imagine the ground was very cold; and this stopped the electronics on the bombs working.
So they designed a housing for the bombs that would contain a number of chickens (with food and water).
The chickens’ body heat then kept the electronics working.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C491721
Wow.
That’s equal parts clever, stupid, and horrifying….
@all
FYI I just emailed David asking for a ban for this creep. After that last post especially I’m just seeing red.
henatiArtist – seriously, get help. Your worldview is not okay and you are not okay. And stay the fuck away from women, you toxic little creep.
I mean, you answered how they were going to use chickens but I still have so many questions.
Thanks to all the Mammotheers who are wishing me well. I hope I’ll get good news later this month.
As for our latest incel troll … let’s see:
Did I miss any of the usual signs and symptoms? We’ve certainly had enough incels drop by for me to get a general idea of what they all have in common, but I haven’t made a formal study, so I imagine I’ve forgotten a few.
‘Cos seriously, dude. You’re not impressing anyone here. You claim that women are less clean than men … prove it. Cite a peer-reviewed article. Just the one. Note that I’m requesting an article that has undergone peer review, which means “not something you’ve seen tossed around in whatever echo chamber you frequent.” I’m not even going to insist that the article include information about what professions the subjects were in, because the kind of labor performed can affect body odor.
Or take your assertion that feminism is the dominant ideology. In which society? The world’s a big place, ducky, and there are a lot of people on this planet. I’d argue that a better case can be made for capitalism as a dominant ideology, or perhaps authoritarianism.
Go ahead. Try to do better than you’ve done so far.
PS – “Sexhavers” is a silly term. There’s already a good term used to describe people who have sex: “sexually active.” It works like this: “I am a sexually active adult.” Or “He is sexually active.” You can even use it to describe the opposite state: “I’m not sexually active.”
The power of English lies in its ability to move, to persuade, and to illumine the majesty of thought. Or even to delight, to amuse, and to outrage. It works a lot better if you don’t stay stuck at the beginner’s level.
@Victorious Parasol
TBH incel neologisms remind me a lot of Newspeak, and also of Church of Scientology slang, and I feel like there’s a reason for that. Everything’s crude and simplified, with slurs and thought-terminating cliches abounding; it’s a dialect of social control designed by and for a cult, to help cultists’ brains auto-categorize their world, and make thinking outside the box as hard as possible. They can just say, “Sexhavers unbellyfeel inceldom fullwise!” and not have to think about why our reality doesn’t match theirs.
@VictoriousParasol
I am so very sorry for what you’re going through right now and send my love and positive energy of blessed light for healing. I’m radiating energy towards you, love. I’m so glad your beloved Mr. Parasol if with you at your side in a loving partner’s strength and support and I send blessing to you both.
@GSS ex-noob
It’s so nice to see you too! I love all your comments and also sharing your experiences with enjoying your own awesomeness!
Thank you so much for the good wishes! Yes, I did a major project, enjoyed some laid back recharging time and am now the creative light is back on for the most artistically kinky and deviously subversive thing ever!
@Alan Robertshaw:
One wonders if they’re now busily burying things like that along the Ukraine-Russia border …
@Cyborgette:
Unsurprising, in light of this:
In case there was any doubt that incel ideology, or Scientology for that matter, was next of kin to fascism.
@ Cyborgette
Those are both good comparisons – I was thinking of some generalities of how groups will use jargon to distinguish between “one of us” vs “not one of us.” There’s a YouTube channel called Fundie Fridays that I’ve been watching lately, and the hosts cover a certain number of cults, which requires at least a brief mention of how an organization will use language as a tool. An organization doesn’t have to be a cult to do this, of course – one of the examples they examine is how PTL referred to their donors as “partners.”
@ TyrantBitchGoddessStacey
Thank you very much. Mr. Parasol is being awesome, but we’ll both be glad when it’s over. The odds are in my favor, though as others have pointed out, knowing the odds are in your favor can be scant comfort. The good news is that the specialist I’m seeing has a good reputation, and I’m not super-symptomatic. I just have to get through this.
The “recent comments” on “12 terrifyingly meat-related Valentine’s Day cards” is stuck out-of-date.
That is not supposed to be happening since the site was restored to some semblance of normalcy.
What is going on?
“The power of English lies in its ability to move, to persuade, and to illumine the majesty of thought”
Cope.
@Elaine The Witch
I love love love the idea of those wings! I bet you look amazing! Hopefully you feel the power of them too!
I have hooves now. Some of my worshippers are reacting exactly the way I hoped, which is that perfect blend of fear and turn-on. I love it. Also my tech woman found a woman sound engineer who worked with us so that in my space I can be mic’d all the time (I could before actually but not as well as now) AND there’s an app that alters my voice over the sound system so that my tone is more menacing, sharp and mean but still sounds like a cis woman’s voice and is still recognizable as mine.
I hope you and your beloved guy are doing well! You two are an inspiration.
@henatiArtist
The others are right. We have no interest in your gross masturbation.
And that’s absolutely not because of any shame related to masturbation in general. (I’m about as sex-positive a feminist as sex-positive feminists come, so I’d be the last one to shame anyone about that anyway). I have plenty of experience with directing that act by a man but the point is that in each case it’s a man I find physically attractive and whose toned ripped abs and shoulders look great all tensed up in the act (as I look amazing too, all posed on my command platform, by the way!)
If this is TMI in a way that upsets you or makes you even more miserable in your inceldom, I’m really happy.
The whole reason I’m saying all this is to make the point that you and all creepy incels don’t get is that women’s choices are everything. Stop rejecting that idea and maybe you won’t be so miserable.
In the meantime I’m going to enjoy mocking you and despising you while the men I find attractive join me in that glorious exercise.
@ Latest wannabe troll said:
Oh, I’m quite confident in my coping skills. But I’ve noticed you’ve avoided anything resembling a reasonable good-faith approach in communicating. That’s not just something that will keep you an incel. That’s something that’ll keep you isolated from a lot of other people.
Actually, it’s not just your communication skills that could use some work. I’d recommend you take an honest look at your patterns of thought. I’m not seeing you demonstrate anything other than a basic regurgitation of incel jargon. Can you do better?
Yes, you completely destroyed that argument with facts and logic there. Truly, we are not worthy of such keen insights, lest they shatter our fragile egos./sarcasm
@VP: Back to something that actually matters, I hope the biopsy works out for you VP. It sounds unpleasant, glad your hubby is as supportive as he is.
@Stacey: Those hooves sound badass. Does it mess with your balance at all?
It seems unlikely; I think he’s reached the sad pinnacle of what passes for his intellectual “talents.”
But on a personal note, I like the rhetorical tack you’re taking here; are you perhaps channeling a bit of Scildfreja?
For a few confused seconds, I thought you were saying that was a Julian Cope quote. Then I realized that you were just regurgitating more incel jargon in lieu of actually writing something with any sort of point. No one expects you to be Shakespeare but you could at least make an attempt to contribute more than a bot would.
@ Gaebolga
Thank you! I am indeed keeping Scildfreja’s example in mind.
ETA:
@ LouCPurr
Funny you should mention Shakespeare – I was semi-quoting the author Parke Godwin, who had a theatrical background.
@Queen of the Harpies
Thank you so much. I LOVE your nym! A lot! Welcome to the commentariat!