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There are two things that every antifeminist believes in like gravity:
- Feminist men only pretend to be feminist in order to get laid
- They fail at this because no woman wants to have sex with a feminist man
A new(ish) study from two researchers at Canada’s McMaster University suggests that the antifeminists are full of it:
Not only do feminist men have sex, they have more sex than non-feminist men, and, in line with their general respect for women, appear to care more about the sexual satisfaction of their partners, going down on women more often and fondling their boobs. Reports suggest that sex-having women tend to enjoy both of these activities.
According to Max Stick, a doctoral candidate in sociology, and Tina Fetner, chair of the sociology department,
This study explores … the relationship between feminist identification and sexual behavior. In heterosexual encounters, do feminist men report having sex more recently than those who do not call themselves feminists? During sexual encounters, do feminist men behave differently than non-feminists? In particular, do feminist men organize their sexual behavior in a way that prioritizes their partners’ sexual pleasure to a greater extent than non-feminists?
Their answer? An unequivocal yes means yes.
Using representative survey data of Canadian adults, we examine the self-reported sexual behavior of heterosexual Canadian men. We find that self-identifying feminist men report having sex more recently and are more likely to report engaging in breast stimulation and performing oral sex on their partners than non-feminists.
In an article for The Conversation, Stick explains that
In private sexual encounters, feminist men and those ambivalent toward feminism, perform sexual behaviours targeting women’s pleasure at a higher rate than those disavowing feminism, suggesting these men may care about their partners as expressed through the performance of equality in sexual pleasure. …
Feminist men help transcend sexual (interaction) inequality by bridging the gender gap in orgasms.
It kind of makes sense that men who actually like and respect women would do more to please their sexual partners than men who hate feminism and, often, women in general.
But feminist men don’t ignore their own sexual desires in their attempts to please women. Stick notes that
While feminist men reported giving oral sex to their partners more recently, they also engaged in intercourse and received oral sex more recently than non-feminist men, suggesting they do not sacrifice their own pleasure.
So, IN YOUR FACE, ANTIFEMINISTS.
As you may imagine, this study has not been received warmly in the antifeminists subredddit. After one user recently posted a link to Stick’s article, it inspired an assortment of irate and oblivious comments that inadvertently revealed why antifeminists are likely shit in bed.
Nishuu-j217, who started the thread, declared indignantly that
It’s so damn clear what the purpose of these articles actually is. They will liter do anything to turn men into simps.
Some, ignoring the findings altogether, simply repeated the old antifeminist dogma. According to a commenter called Pingayaso , in the top comment in the thread,
That’s why simps are simps, since they’re unable to be liked by women, they have to rely on the misandrist narrative to impress some feminist and wait for a crumb.
Spoiler alert, it doesn’t work
“”Lol any normal man knows 100 percent that this is cap but ok,” BS-Calrissian insisted.
Vasekgamescz seemed a bit dizzy:
They honestly think we are so dumb as to fall prey to classic bait of playing with our primitive instincts deeply imbeded in all of us, just to become a simp for misandry driven women, and would probably never actually get even close to having sex, instead going in circles of mindlessly following commands in hopes of getting some. wow.
Wow indeed.
Some suggested that the feminist men in the survey were actually having sex “[w]ith other men and their hands. For sure.”
Quizzii echoed this implicit homphobia:
Yeah but taking huge dillos in the ass is not the best sex ootion you can dream of as a male…
Just_some_guy8484 insisted that
Even if the assertion of the title of the article is true, which I’m pretty sure statistics prove that it is demonstrably false, the sex feminist men are having is not, in my opinion, the kind of sex they or anyone really would want anyways. Basically, most hard-core feminist women I know are not attractive people physically. People who sacrifice their sexual standards to procure sex have some seriously low self-esteem and virtually no individual character at all.
One commenter had a more imaginative vision of feminist sex. According to Massive_Pressure_516
They probably count hiding in a closet and jacking off to your wife getting inseminated by a stranger as sex.
(Note: They don’t.)
Still others insisted that sex that puts women’s needs first, or even equally, was pretty sour, as in grapes. ” I still ain’t going to degrade myself just for sex lol,” wrote ExMuzzy.
Added ShiZniT3:
male feminists have more sex because they are treated like obedient pets with benefits. that level of degradation is not worth the sex… rule34 is proof of that.
(Note: the study found this to be untrue. It’s almost as if no one in the discussion actually bothered to read Stick’s article.)
PsychologicalItem353 insisted that it was unfair to men to have “to push beyond their natural limits in order to please women every day,” as if finding the clit was some sort of Sisyphean torture.
In a followup comment, he declared that
honestly I don’t give a damn about sex. … haha I’m sorry for not wanting to push beyond to please a woman every time she wants to have sex and when I’m done I’m drained of my energy. Yeah it takes work in a relationship but sorry I’m not going to drive through till she is satisfied. Knowing if I do so I’m going to feel like shit when done. You wouldn’t want to do that right? So men shouldn’t have to do so and knowing the repercussions.
I’m sure the women of the world feel absolutely bereft at his absence from the sexual arena.
Large-Victory apparently thought he was bringing some good sense to the discussion:
See it’s totally fine for making your girl to oragsm. The thing here is some men do anything to get a pussy, just like what I used to be, and it’s dangerous thing and pulls many men into resentment and anger if things don’t work out in their way.
But my favorte exchange was this one, between the thread-starter and a much-downvoted feminist who was there to argue with the crowd:
![Beatplayer -4 points 1 day ago
It’s almost as if liking women is a pre-requisite of fucking them…
🤷♀️
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[–]Nishuu-j217[S] 3 points 1 day ago
No it isn't. If that were the case then the most misandrist feminist women would keep their ugly asses away from men. However, when a feminist sluts around and acquires a body count of 50 everyone says that don't slutshame her. She's eMpOwErInG herself bY oWnInG hEr SeXuAlItY.
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[–]Beatplayer 0 points 1 day ago
I genuinely can’t imagine why women won’t sleep with you.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022-02-12_15-49-42.png?resize=580%2C631&ssl=1)
IT IS INDEED A MYSTERY!
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I’m not sure which is the more predictable reaction here: the straightforward “nuh UH!” or the attempts to technobabble their way to a more palatable (to them) conclusion that they dub “REAL science.”
I would award Mr./Ms./Mx. Beatplayer an internet.
For me, all I can come up with is: Nelson from the Simpsons pointing and laughing “HA HA!”
They misspelled “dildos,” so it sounds like they’re talking about forcing an armadillo up your ass. Sounds like something Mr. Slave on South Park would do.
AHAHAHAHA, YOU DON’T SAY.
Yes, of course I expect genuine straight male feminists to be in it for justice/compassion/Tikkun Olam/etc., not for getting to shag beautiful feminist women. But? Being part of the cause, and being in it for genuinely good reasons, and being gentle and caring and loving and actually taking care of your body and looks – those things will, in fact, increase the likelihood of a dude winding up in bed with someone like me. Most especially if he’s shy and nerdy and prone to blushing, dear gods, I really love me some nerds. Steely suave confidence is extremely overrated in my book; society gives men enough weapons without throwing that in on top. Much rather a man who’s a quietly competent dork with imposter syndrome, than one who’s smug and full of himself without justification. And much rather a man who’s unsure of himself but sure in doing right by others, than vice versa.
But noooooo, so many men would rather insist they know more about What Women Like than actual women (cisgender or otherwise). And then scream and stomp their feet and demand to know, why doesn’t it work? when their ideas turn out to be bullshit. Which, well – see again what I said about preferring the shy softspoken guys.
(And no, incels, secretly harassing women online is not “shy” or “softspoken”. It’s just the usual toxic, domineering crap with an extra side of cowardice. You’re exactly the same as Chad, now go sit in a corner and sulk about it.)
looks like the horrible mizoginstic website Revolting Omega Virgin got taken down!
https://omegavirginrevolt.wordpress.com
David, if you helped with that, that you!
As an ace person, there’s clearly a lot I don’t know about the sexing. But I’m surprised to learn that anti-feminist men are less likely to indulge in “breast stimulation”, given how much boobs are a subject of fascination.
Moggie there’s stimulating, which includes finding out how your partner likes her boobs to be treated, and then there’s sucking like you expect milk to come out if you just suck hard enough … being someones replacement for their mothers nipples is not generally sexy.
“Sex happens more often if all parties involved have fun and enjoy it. In other news, water is (usually) wet.”
Anti-feminists might be telling on themselves a bit. It’s almost like they think sex is less about having sex, and more about demonstrating your power over your partner.*
Another ace here, but I find the study results absolutely unsurprising. However, we still need studies with unsurprising results. Good on the researchers.
*consentually kinky folks not included here. That’s in “all parties involved have fun and enjoy it” territory, I think.
@ Moggie
I’m not ace, but, yeah… the juxaposition of boobs being the most amazing thing ever and yet barely being worth a quick squeeze before proceeding below always struck me as odd too. I’ve never been much of a boob man, so it is weird to think that someone who is so fixated on them would actually pay less attention to them during sex than me. Sense makes this not.
I think Performance of Equality was the debut album from Feminist Man.
Contrapangloss wrote:
In my vague understanding, wetness in chemical definition means the presence of water (not necessarily liquid), whereas in physical definition wetness means the presence of liquid (not necessarily water).
Oddly enough, in regard to drinks and drinking culture, “dry” can refer to lack of sugar or lack of alcohol, both of which usually mean slightly higher content of water.
Personally, I struggle to even conceptualize the mindset at present here. Straight men often seem to turn dating into a kind of competitive sport where having sex is just a byproduct of demonstrating your ability to attract women, but this isn’t quite it.
Regarding the study result, they seem to have lumped any men not particularly hostile to feminism under “feminist men”. This demographic would include lots of relatively ordinary men and relatively few men with a notable feminist bent (of either genuine or performative variety). This isn’t really a study on how feminism affects men’s sexual performance and pleasure, but rather how antifeminism affects it.
Meanwhile, the Reddit antifeminists might be laboring under the impression that they themselves represent “ordinary men” and the comparison group “feminist men” is some fringe group of “desperate simps”.
So, you’re trying to tell me that women like men that give a shit about making sure they are properly pleasured in bed?
Lies, clearly women want men who’s only interest is jackhammering their junk like something out of a bad hentai.
On further random thoughts,
I’m somewhat amused by the attempt to quantify the sexual pleasure experienced by men and women by measuring the frequency of fellatio and cunnilingus, breast stimulation and intercourse. It makes me picture some sort of five-year production plan for sexual pleasure. It’s so mechanistic and simplistic.
Just recently on The Guardian, there was a column on the effects of porn on young straight adults’ sexuality, mostly based on the writer’s own experience and some very explicit discussions with her friends. Mainstream porn industry seems to be going through cycles of always mainstreaming some kinky sex practice or other and then moving on to new things that are still perceived as somewhat kinky. Based on various reports (my own porn taste isn’t mainstream enough to confirm this), there’s been anal penetration, facial shots, slapping, choking, hair pulling and so on. These are apparently usually done by the man on woman, preserving some kind of hegemonic active-passive partner dynamic. Then young men in real life start commonly pulling this stuff on their sex partners, without any consent negotiation as should be necessary for any new “sex tricks”. Young women reportedly feel a pressure to just pretend to like whatever is done to them during sex.
The columnist claims that the latest big trend in porn is rimming (ie. analingus, or oral-anal stimulation). Supposedly, all the boys are into rimming girls now. One of the writer’s friends (a woman) commented wryly along the lines that rimming is a relatively nice trend because it’s actually pleasurable for women, or at least doesn’t hurt. I have to assume this outcome is entirely incidental to why rimming is promoted in porn, though.
A lot of time when I read this kind of discourse on mainstream straight sex, it seems to frame sex as both mechanistic and one-size-fits-all activity. People seemingly operate based on what their partner is generally expected to like, rather than what the partner actually requests. Men are expected to like intercourse and fellatio, and they can get at least intercourse just by taking their expected active role in said intercourse. Women can apparently only get what the man himself likes or what man thinks is in demand, and the latter only if he has enough basic respect to put in some pleasuring effort. What men are generally expected to provide, is apparently often cunnilingus. And finding the clitoris and poking it with their fingers, or something. And some sort of breast stimulation. And apparently, in many men’s perception, various tricks trending in porn, inasmuch as those aren’t mainly intended as pleasure for the man himself. What women are generally expected to provide, is apparently mainly fellatio and being ready for intercourse (incl. anal).
It seems to me like the next level sexual skill would be actually figuring out what your partner likes, and how exactly they want it done. This is standard in the kink community, of which I’m acquainted with. If I had a sex partner, I wouldn’t expect anything less from her, or myself. And yet, the mainstream sex discourse makes me doubt myself, like perhaps sexual communication really isn’t that easy? Like, I haven’t had the opportunity to test this personally but I believe it takes only a basic sex education for a man to be able to find the clitoris without asking for directions. But if you somehow can’t ask for directions, then what exactly are you going to do with the clitoris?
@Lumipuna
On the water is (usually) wet front, I think you’re right from a chemistry standpoint. And from an HVAC specialist’s standpoint.
…but the sound of walking through fresh snowfall at -50 F when the snow squeaks with every step, like rubber balloons being rubbed against each other, is a very dry (wet) sound.
I was trying to leave room for colloquial usage?
On the article front, I may be incredibly salty from too recent exposure to certain relationship advice books of the “complementarian” bent.
This guy…
The article literally is a statistic.
He’s being presented with a real world statistic, and he’s claiming it’s “demonstrably” false (without actually demonstrating this) because (handwave)(handwave) “statistics”. Amazing. Aren’t they the ones always saying “realz before feelz?”
”Sex is only real when it’s between a Chad and a 10. Ugmo sex doesn’t count!”
I thought feminists were women who are too unattractive to have any sex at all and that’s why they’re feminists?
Apparently, women become feminists because they want decent sex.
@.45
It is odd. I think they have such a utilitarian view of women that they would no more pay attention to boobs than whisper sweet nothings to their coffeemaker. A woman is just there to service their ego, nothing else.
I think it’s because men that have sex, tend to reflect the opinions of the majority, to conform more. Since feminism is the dominant ideology of the 21 century, sexhavers tend to adapt to it, because femoids determine the conditions to have access to their pussy, and if you want their pussy you have to be aware of where the sexual signals are placed.
I am also sure that the so called “feminism” of the pussygetters is just entry level. I, as an incel, have much more culture on feminism, even more than feminists, but I get no pussy even if I can quote almost all the “intellectual” femoids of feminism.
The point is that I am confrontational, the sexhavers are complaisant. I go to a foid I tell her “I don’t agree with your communist ideas”. And I don’t get pussy.
A sexhaver instead writes “I am a male feminist” on social media, that’s just a virtue signal, he is not a feminist. He just want to get that stinky pussy.
@ Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Given the usual behavior David documents, I envision it going something like this:
Scene: Kitchen. 3AM. Coffeemaker sits smugly atop its pedestal… errr, counter. Incredibly hot MRA approaches, coming up the basement stairs in a classy bathrobe like, uh… say Hugh Hefner. Yeah, Hugh Hefner. Like right after a threesome or something. Proud and resplendent, having just triumphed over a feminist soy boy in an online debate. (Editor: Is this guy serious?)
*MRA leans casually on counter, mug in his manly hands, that totally could handle a shovel instead of a keyboard, if it wasn’t for feminism ruining any chance of men being heroes* “Have I told you how beautiful you are today?”
*Silence from the coffeemaker*
“Hey, I’m just trying to be friendly here. I want to just turn you around and stare at your proportions from behind for an eternity, listen to you run, smell you, taste your sweet nectar.”
*More silence*
“Look, bitch, I don’t even drink coffee! I was just trying to be nice! You dirty little whore, making coffee for everyone else in the house! Can’t even give a nice guy like me a single cup?!?!”
*Shoves coffeemaker off counter, making a big mess and cracking the top of the lid*
“Shit!”
“Hey, what the hell was that???”
“Uh, the coffeemaker fell off the counter Mom. It’s nothing, go back to bed.”
“Jesus, it’s 3 in the morning, and you don’t even know how to use that thing. YOU go back to bed.”
*MRA throws coffeemaker back on counter, leaving most of the mess for someone else to clean up, like the Alpha Wolf that he is* (Editor: Looks like he is serious)
“That’s what you get, you cold hearted bitch!”
*Goes downstairs to vent on Reddit about how feminists, possibly with the help of Jews, are ruining even something as simple as coffee*
@ henatiArtist
Interesting. So, your efforts to get pussy by quoting femoids have failed, while others who go further succeed? Not sure what your point is here, other than apparently you believe everyone is faking, but most guys are better than you at it.
Perhaps it has something to do with being confrontational? Especially since most women aren’t really plugged into the whole feminism/incel/MRA/etc debate and some guy trying to argue with them over it isn’t a great way to impress them.
Well, if it suits you to stick to your guns as keeper of the one true path and ignore the saw about “If everyone has a problem with you, then maybe you are the problem”, then have fun proclaiming your righteousness.
Though, I do agree with you on one thing: Guys who make a point of proclaiming themselves to be feminists (*Cough* Joss Whedon *Cough*) should probably be viewed with a bit of suspicion. By way of example, David and most of the people here commenting probably consider themselves feminists, but do not go around proudly saying so.
It is the old political thing, holding up values as the reason you should be trusted, instead of giving reasons your plan or proposal should be adopted. Ignoring the argument and focusing on “Trust me, I’m a man of culture” or some such is inherently suspicious. (Though quite successful in certain political circles. Any politician ranting about “family values” may as well hold up a sign saying “I cheat on my wife”, but somehow that is not important to their supporters.)
Huh. Sorry, that is some disjointed rambling there. Not sure what I was meaning to say.
Is it me or does the use of the phrase “stinky pussy” make others want to tell henatiArtist, “It’s okay – if you don’t want to have sex, you don’t have to”? ‘Cos if the idea of a woman’s body repels you, you don’t have to touch a woman in any kind of intimate fashion. Seriously. No matter what your online echo chamber has told you, there’s no magic signal out there that indicates you’re not getting laid.
henatiArtist is vile and an example of the reason why appearance is the *first* among all the criteria by which I judge a man
@henatiArtist, congrats on just right up front exemplifying what every woman here has been saying. Fantastic self-own, great job.
If you actually understood feminism better than we do, you’d understand that the thing oppressing you is patriarchy, via pressure to conform to a toxic ideal of maleness (that most women aren’t even attracted to). And you wouldn’t be calling us dehumanizing slurs, or assuming off the bat that we’re lying to you. You’re not breaking out of the Matrix; you’re one of those poor sods who gets possessed by Agent Smith.
It’s also pretty damn rich of you, a literal incel, to be complaining about how anyone else smells.
@David – that ShiZniT3 creep can also be found on some Reddit fandom communities. Every once in a while he posts something sexist, and gets downvoted into oblivion. I sure hope he never shows up at an IRL convention; the guy gives off serious “walking time bomb” vibes, and I wish the mods would ban him already.
Hey, it’s Stacey! Good to see you. I hope you’ve been doing well.
@ TyrantBitchGoddessStacey
“Better to appear an MRA/incel/all around asshole, than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.”
Hello lovely Victorious Parasol! Thank you; I did some amazing projects, took some down time and am now planning more! I’ve been enjoying my amazing and gorgeous partners and giving NiceGuys the torment they deserve, whip in hand as much as possible all of which make me incredibly happy! I hope you are doing well too!
@ stacey
Hey, you’re back! Nice to have you around again.
@ hentaiartist
Yeah, well there’s your problem.
Maybe start with something a bit less confrontational. I know it’s a cliche but “Do you come here often?” is less likely to end up with pepper spray.