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New Men’s Rights theory: Women were never oppressed, just treated like pampered pets

The old Men’s Rights theory was that women were oppressed once upon a time, but not any more. The slightly newer Men’s Rights theory is that women have never been oppressed — they were pampered by their men, like a cosseted pet.

“It depends how you define oppression,” explains Brave-Evidence2793 on the Men’s RIghts subreddit.

A pet kept in a home (happy, healthy, cared for, fed, safe, and warm) is seen as oppression but the same animal on the street (hungry, alone, cold, unsafe, no healthcare) is seen as not oppression.

Er, what? Who other than PETA thinks that pets are oppressed?

Basically how feminism treats gender. They see women being cared for as slavery, and the men who are not cared for and have to take care of themselves (while also being expected to care for a woman) to be the slavers.

What world do you live in, dude? It’s not this one.

It’s like a bunch of fat cats pushing signs for #petequality, and then whining about all the discrimination they get when told “you can stop being treated like a pet when you take care of yourself for once”

What the fuck kind of drugs are you on, dude? Are you talking to cats or to women? Because cats don’t give a shit what you tell them because they don’t know what words are (apart from their names and “dinner”). Women might have a more, well, interesting reaction to this weird theory of yours.

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Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
21 days ago

Yeah cause that’s what I want in life. not to be a human being, but to be a pet

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
21 days ago

*cough* The Yellow Wallpaper *cough*

Alan Robertshaw
21 days ago

Who other than PETA thinks that pets are oppressed?

PETA don’t have a problem with people sharing their homes with animals; most PETA members do so. They do have issues about language, preferring ‘companion animal’ and ‘guardian’ rather than ‘pet’ and ‘owner’. And they don’t like pet shops and commercial breeders, on the ground that animals shouldn’t be commodities. Instead they recommend adopting from shelters. And quite a lot of countries have now banned or are in the process of banning pet stores from selling commercially bred animals; so it’s not exactly a radical idea.

I’m not sure though how the Sunderland branch of PETA deals with how Geordies use ‘Pet’ as a general term of affection. See for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auf_Wiedersehen,_Pet

Mrs. Obed Marsh
Mrs. Obed Marsh
21 days ago

I always like to point to this piece by the wonderful Dr. Eleanor Janega, in which she describes how women have been expected to work in various trades throughout most of history: the “pampered pets” are historical anomalies, not the norm.

https://going-medieval.com/2019/05/30/on-women-and-work/

Alan Robertshaw
21 days ago

@ mrs obed marsh

Indeed. And even though the idea of the housewife in the modern sense is a relatively new phenomenon, the word originally was itself a job title; for a woman who had stewardship over a household. Wif in Old English just means woman; not spouse.

See also…

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/13/working-women-stay-at-home-wives-myths

SpecialFFrog
SpecialFFrog
21 days ago

MRA history: human societies were like Leave it to Beaver for 100 thousand years and then the 1970s happened.

Nikki the Bluth Wannabe
Nikki the Bluth Wannabe
21 days ago

Don’t fool yourself, David. Cats know a lot more than they let on-they just play dumb because if they showed us their true intelligence, we’d force tasks-specifically tasks that they’d find silly-on them and then they wouldn’t be able to just do whatever they want.
MRAs… now those guys are the dumb ones.

Battering Lamb
Battering Lamb
21 days ago

@Mrs. Obed Marsh: Indeed. In fact, it is interesting, given most people’s views of the period that european women generally enjoyed more freedoms in the middle ages than the enlightenment (the latter also being the period when witch hunts became a thing). Not saying times in the middle ages were good, mind you.

OP: Also, I’m pretty sure most slave owners would claim their slaves were “happy, healthy, cared for, fed, safe, and warm” if asked. Why would they possibly want freedom? Ugh.

Brimmicombe-Wood Lee
Brimmicombe-Wood Lee
21 days ago

This is not a million miles away from the conservative view that welfare means that the poors are being pampered.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
21 days ago

the men who are not cared for and have to take care of themselves (while also being expected to care for a woman)

It’s so hard, having to wipe your own ass while confusing women with sea monkeys. Why won’t society acknowledge the struggle.

Gerry Sherry
Gerry Sherry
20 days ago

Ok this has fried my brain can we go back to sharing pictures of sexy satan?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
20 days ago

Drat. If it weren’t for feminism, I too could hang out in the basement hoping a mouse finds its way in and I too could eat disgusting smelling canned meats. I’m really missing out!

epronovost
epronovost
20 days ago

Even if we were to grant this ridiculous theory the benefit of the doubt and say its premise are true; that women were indeed not oppressed because they were treated like pets, it sill pose a big problem. One, it assumes that being a pet (or a child) is a desirable thing for adult human being and second it assumes that pets cannot be mistreated in any way shape or form, even by people who supposedly love them (many a pet owner doesn’t provide correctly for the needs of their animals simply because they don’t know how and/or don’t know what those needs are for example).

I also find the very premise of this theory ridiculous. For most of human history, the overwhelming majority of humans were subsistence farmers. There was no separation between “home” and “work”. Over 80% of people had a small farm, were working it to feed themselves and were hoping to make just enough surplus to be able to acquire what they cannot make themselves. In such a context, everybody works: men, women and children.

Alan Robertshaw
20 days ago

@ epronvost

In such a context, everybody works: men, women and children.

And that carried on until very recently.

When compulsorily education was introduced here, in 1880, for all children up to the age of 13, there was an exemption for children who were already employed.

That meant around 80% of rural children didn’t go to school because they did farm work.

(Also because you didn’t have to go to school if it was more than two miles away)

It wasn’t until 1944 that attendance became mandatory for all children up to the age of 15.

(These acts make weird reading. Like, for the time they were really progressive. But today stuff like saying you had to be at least 10 before you could operate heavy machinery seem a bit incongruous. Still there’s plenty of places that still happens.)

http://www.educationengland.org.uk/documents/acts/1880-elementary-education-act.html

http://www.educationengland.org.uk/documents/acts/1878-factory-workshop-act.html

Last edited 20 days ago by Alan Robertshaw
lkeke35
lkeke35
20 days ago

I’m pretty sure Black women might have something to say about this bullshit theory! In fact, I’m reasonably certain most women of color would have some sharp words for the theorist.
it’s interesting to see how incredibly blinkered their minds are. They literally cannot see/imagine any point of view beyond white, and male! It’s astonishing!

Malitia
Malitia
20 days ago

@Gerry Sherry

Ok this has fried my brain can we go back to sharing pictures of sexy satan?

I don’t know about Satan… but have a classic Shin Megami Tensei Lucifer:

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(Satan and Lucifer are 2 different beings in SMT, and Satan’s design doesn’t tend to be “sexy”… okay… maybe the goth one…)

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Alan Robertshaw
20 days ago

@ gerry

can we go back to sharing pictures of sexy satan?

Well, what’s sexy is very subjective of course…

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Full Metal Ox
20 days ago

@Gerry Sherry:

Ok this has fried my brain can we go back to sharing pictures of sexy satan?

Happy to oblige. I unfortunately couldn’t find still pictures, but here’s “Mezame no Rosen”, an interlude piece from Gothic J-Rock band Malice Mizer’s 1998 “Merveilles” tour. My best interpretation is that this is some sort of mad-scientific Black Mass conducted by the Devil (Közi) and his High Priestess (Mana, also famous as a Trope-Codifying Gothic Lolita fashion designer.)

(Warning for flashing lights, screams, and torture by electrocution):

Last edited 20 days ago by Full Metal Ox
tim gueguen
20 days ago

I wonder if Evidence2793 hasn’t confused pet play fiction with real life.

Dalillama
20 days ago

@Battering Lamb
Nah, quite a number of slaveholding societies have openly acknowledged that slavery sucks and slaves hate it. They just held that if you didn’t want to be a slave, you should have won that battle, or not gone into debt, or whatever it was that got you enslaved to begin with. The main difference being that hereditary slavery has historically been pretty rare, and victim-blaming was a lot easier when most slaves had at some point been free people.

Moggie
Moggie
20 days ago

Check out this twitter thread about how slavery was treated in a textbook used in Virginia schools. There are people in the thread commenting that this was what they were taught as late as the 1970s:

https://twitter.com/KevinLevin/status/1454805468812034054

To quote from two of the pages:

“A strong tie existed between slave and master because each was dependent on the other. The slave system demanded that the master care for the slave in childhood, in sickness, and in old age. The regard that master and slaves had for each other made plantation life happy and prosperous … Life among the Negroes of Virginia in slavery times was generally happy. The Negroes went about in a cheerful manner making a living for themselves and for those for whom they worked”.

Now that book-banning is on the rise once more in the US, how long until schools are teaching this bullshit again?

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
20 days ago

Yes, because comparing women to animals has always been so respectful.

I bet these boys are probably cruel to their pets as well.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
20 days ago

And then it becomes “You have food, shelter, and clothing. What more do you want?” That way, asking for respect and full humanity can be framed as ungrateful.

Seth S
Seth S
20 days ago

Why don’t a group of women offer these strapping gents the chance to have the tables turned and become the “pampered”, then? They could be treated with every bit of affection, reverence, and pampering as has historically been done to women. I’m sure if it’s as nice as they think, they should jump at the chance

I suspect we’d see a lot of backpedalling.

@Moggie
I remember being taught something along those lines, in the _90s_, in the Christian homeschool curriculum my parents picked out for me, which explains exactly why those people are still on that side. In their heads slavery was only bad when slaves had a bad master who beat them, or some bs, but was fine when the master was “good” and kept his slaves healthy, well fed, warm, and so forth. The institution itself of course was not the problem. Owning literal human beings is fine as long as you treat them well.

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Alan Robertshaw
19 days ago

@ Seth S

Owning literal human beings is fine as long as you treat them well.

Well, as you’ll know from your homeschooling, that is the biblical position.

Ephesians 6:9

And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

But it’s a reciprocal obligation. Sort of. Peter had other views.

Ephesians 6:5

“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.”

Colossians 3:22

“Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.”

1 Peter 2:18

“Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.”

Last edited 19 days ago by Alan Robertshaw
rusalka
rusalka
19 days ago

Aside from the fact that this guy sure as hell wouldn’t think it a glorious idea if someone offered him the “comfortable” life of a slave- I mean pet…

[…] then whining about all the discrimination they get when told “you can stop being treated like a pet when you take care of yourself for once”

What the heck does this even mean? So is he saying that women still get discriminated- I mean, get treated like “pets” – because they don’t “take care of themselves”?

Where the fuck are these women not taking care of themselves? Women are working, women own shit, women take care of whole fucking families (or is it suddenly men who’re solely cooking, cleaning, taking care of children while the women are sitting on shelves pushing stuff off of them?)

I mean what exactly would a woman need to do so this dude could say: “Sure enough you’re your own woman, you now deserve the privilege of personhood?”

I was asking myself for a moment why they’re still trying so hard to make up “reasonings” for their desire to treat women like they’re subhuman. It’s not like they have to keep face to one another. But of course: they do it because they know their hate makes them horrible and evil, so they need to come up with these ridiculous justifications to continue living the illusion that they’re the good ones.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
19 days ago

@rusalka

taking care of children while the women are sitting on shelves pushing stuff off of them

Heh. That visual made me laugh!

The kicker is that these guys’ treatment of women doesn’t even rise to the standard of pets. Nobody abandons a pet as soon as they “hit the wall”/are no longer cute or convenient or fun, except for selfish assholes who never should have had one in the first place. If someone cheated on their pet or referred to them as “petoids”, we’d be calling the ASPCA. MRAs constantly advocate for all that and worse, with women.

They don’t even pick up women’s poop, which is a requirement with most forms of pet ownership.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
19 days ago

women are sitting on shelves pushing stuff off of them

Now, this actually reminds me of a petplay story I once saw on my local kink forum.

Meanwhile, the OP is just a low effort attempt to rehash a tired old MRA talking point, by presenting it through a novel metaphor. It’s the claim that women are taken care for by men/society in some vague but allegedly substantial manner, and that feminists are ignoring this privilege while demanding more independence and respect for women.

Proponents or traditional patriarchy have always tried to chalk the gender opression as women naturally having a “different but equal” role compared to men. For the MRAs, the question of whether women actually should be treated in “different but equal” manner or not is totally secondary compared to the raging unfairness of feminists supposedly trying to have it both ways.

Full Metal Ox
19 days ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants:

Nobody abandons a pet as soon as they “hit the wall”/are no longer cute or convenient or fun, except for selfish assholes who never should have had one in the first place.

Which is unfortunately a sizable demographic: there are people who absolutely have to have their real live Easter rabbit, or their Finding Nemo clownfish, or their Harry Potter snowy owl, or their 101 Dalmatians Dalmatian (1), or their slow loris that raises its little arms adorably when tickled(2), and then dump the animal at a rescue or The Nice Farm Upstate once its needs become overwhelming or a newer and shiner fad animal comes along.

(1) A snappish and temperamental breed, prone to birth defects; old-time firefighters kept them as guard dogs, to deter horsejacking while the wagon was parked at a fire site.)

(2) A defensive reaction, which releases venom from its poison sacs—or would, had the little guy not been defanged upon capture. With nail clippers and without anaesthetic.

Last edited 19 days ago by Full Metal Ox
.45
.45
19 days ago

@ Buttercup

Cheats on their pets? Some cats and dogs take it a little personal when their human comes home smelling like another animal. Just sayin’.

Anyway, this whole pampered pets thing is kind of funny when you think about another article David posted about men being mogged because women were driving while they sat in the passenger’s seat.

MRA Logic: If I do it to you, it is a sign of respect. If you do it to me it is the gravest insult.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
19 days ago

Show the gratitude the way my cat does for us. Drop a still living mouse with all of its legs ripped off onto the pillow while she sits there all proud.

StaceySmartypantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartypantsTwiceRemoved
19 days ago

@Full Metal Ox

Thank you for the note in the other thread! Yes, I love what you posted! So, so creative!

Yes, I like appearing in a form where I have horns, wings and a tail, although I’ve never quite gotten the whole look and effect to work exactly the way I wanted it to yet. But thanks to companies that cater to cosplayers there are wonderful articulated and motorized remote control wings and tails too that before my time people had to pay a lot more to get movie studio special effects level help to do.

The main problem is that lately when I’m holding court formally in my temple I’ve been doing full gold colored latex with gold hair coloring. That alone takes hours to get into once you consider the prep. I love it though and look amazing. The first time I did that was a few years ago when I was actually still working as a hostess but it was a huge hit. It does work well too with being a goddess in charge of worshippers, for sure!

I want to have horns, wings and a tail with that look but the wings I’ve used so far have a back unit that’s too big and won’t look right under the latex and will mess up the lines of my figure but we are looking into others. If I ever get a space with theater flying wires that would be ideal. I would love to be able to fly around in my own temple space while my worshippers are on the ground in their assigned places…what a great way to assert my authority! 🙂

Well sorry for the digression! Thank you so much for the creative inspiration!

Last edited 19 days ago by StaceySmartypantsTwiceRemoved
Rachim
Rachim
18 days ago

Something something caged birds sing…

Honestly sounds like this dude needs someone to pup play with him or otherwise role play at being cared-for.

StaceySmartypantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartypantsTwiceRemoved
18 days ago

@Rachim

Honestly sounds like this dude needs someone to pup play with him or otherwise role play at being cared-for.

Having a lot of experience with that (not the pup play but other role-taking where I’m caring for another being that I also have authority over)…for him as well as me it depends on having a depth of understanding and empathy that this jerk doesn’t sound like he has or could have.

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
18 days ago

Darn it, I’m always knocking things off the couch, and my husband picks them up.

I AM a cat!

What this makes my cat in turn, I dunno, but he’s definitely the boss of both of us except when it comes to medical care. Because we can pick him up and stuff him in the crate to get his shots, his neutering, and give him pills.

It’s almost like relationships are complicated.