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White Nationalist gurus declare war on witches, and feminists, and feminist witches, and maybe just women in general

Short of throwing her in a pond to see if she floats, how exactly does one go about spotting a real live witch? It’s easy, according to wannabe Witchfinder General F. Roger Devlin. All you really need to know is that witches tend to be two-bag ugly.

Witch hunting, irrational as it may appear, is no random phenomenon. Abundant evidence makes clear that a specific sort of woman was most likely to be accused: a childless spinster living apart from men, usually older and physically unattractive … Most were ill-tempered, unpleasant, and lived on the margins of society.

Apparently, some of these women “did indeed practice superstitious arts disapproved by the Church, such as magical healing or casting curses upon their neighbors,” but apparently actual witchery is not necessary for one to be a witch in Devlin’s world.

Witches thrive in easy times, Devlin suggests, like “the Medieval Warm period” (900 AD to 1300 AD), a time of “mild weather [in Europe that] allowed rapid demographic increase and relaxed Darwinian selection.”

But when the “little ice age” hit around 1300, life got tougher and society could no longer tolerate cranky, ugly, uncooperative women, as “[s]uch women, like homosexuals and heretics, tended to weaken rather than strengthen group fitness.” And so the witch-hunting, and witch burning, began.

The true cause of the witch craze, then, was heightened group selection under conditions of scarcity. Note that convictions for witchcraft peaked around the 1640s, as the Little Ice Age entered its harshest phase. Within Great Britain, convictions for witchcraft were most common in Scotland, perhaps due to the country’s poverty and colder climate.

Where is Devlin getting all this? From a new book by the reactionary racist Edward Dutton called Witches, Feminism and the Fall of the West, which, Devlin notes in a review essay posted on the racist web publication VDare, is an attempt to “to bring the best in evolutionary theory to bear on the question.”

But Devlin and Dutton aren’t just creepy evo-psychers; they’re both huge racists and misogynists as well.

Devlin, the reviewer, is an alt-right grandpappy and men’s rights activist who’s most famous for redefining the word “hypergamy” into the stupid misogynistic concept adored by Red Pill idiots. Edward Dutton, the author, is, as RationalWiki sums him up, “an alt-right eccentric English Youtuber, terrorist-sympathizer, anti-feminist, race and intelligence pseudoscientist, Islamophobe, sexist, anti-semite and white supremacist.” He is also the author of numerous books, including one called How to Judge People By What They Look Like.

This, by the way, is what Dutton looks like (in a wig). (Thanks, RationalWiki!)

So how do feminists fit in this whole, er, analysis? Well, they’re basically modern witches, even if they’re not all literally modern witches. (But some are.) Here’s how Devlin describes them, in terms not that different than the ones he used to describe witches.

Like seventeenth-century witches, feminists tend to be childless spinsters: now they are zealots for unrestricted abortion as well. Also like witches, they are disproportionally homely, particularly in a masculinized direction. Having higher than average mutational load, they are more likely to suffer from depression, narcissism, and other disorders which make them unpleasant to be around. The most committed feminists are lesbian to a wildly disproportionate degree.

The existence of feminists today is, Devlin suggests, is due to the same sort of “relaxed” Darwinism that brought about their witchy ancestors.

Again, we must begin by looking at the evolutionary background. Around 1800, childhood mortality began sinking from 50 percent to below one percent, while people also began living longer. Declining mortality salience meant declining stress levels, which led in turn to a decline in religiosity (for religion is in part a means of coping with stress). Lowered child mortality meant that persons with high mutational load were not eliminated from the gene pool, so levels of serious physical and psychological disorders began to increase.

Is he suggesting that we’d be better off if more babies (and mothers) died in childbirth? Sure seems like it.

These witchy feminists are also helping to bring about that “great replacement” (aka white genocide) that all the fashy types are talking about these days. Devlin quotes Dutton:

Females score considerably lower, on average, on measures of negative ethnocentrism than do males, likely because of their high levels of generalized empathy.

This, in his mind, is a bad thing.

It would follow that the empowerment of females, such as permitting them to vote or work in high-status and influential professions, would push society in a less negatively ethnocentric direction (that is, make it less hostile to outsiders).

Devlin makes the point crystal clear, as if we haven’t gotten the hint yet.

Feminism has thus contributed to the fostering of replacement-level immigration to Western countries by outsiders who may themselves be extremely hostile both to Europeans generally and to unpatriarchal women in particular.

He then quotes, seemingly approvingly, a tweet suggesting that women holding “refugees welcome” signs deserve to be raped.

But there’s a silver lining to all these clouds of doom: Eventually the lefty feminist witches will collapse under the weight of their own maladaptivity.

As Dutton assures his readers:

Feminism creates a new “Crucible of Evolution” by spreading dysphoria and brainwashing people to behave maladaptively. Only the carriers of genes that are resistant to this, which is, in part, extreme conservatives and the extremely religious, survive: the anti-feminists will inherit the Earth . . . eventually.

Sorry, fellas. I don’t think it’s going to work out that way. I’m putting a hex on you right now.

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Sheila Crosby
Sheila Crosby
3 years ago

Strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create bad times, bad times create strong men”

Hard times create more cases of PTSD and C-PTSD which are often passed onto the children, sadly.

When the world is full of good people, most people will be kind and trust others. Why not? Most people are good. This creates conditions that allow parasites like Trump to flourish, which creates bad times and makes people distrustful. This makes conditions harder for scammers and parasites, until the numbers reduce, and good times follow.

Being strong is not the same thing as lacking empathy or being wildly distrustful.

1Q84
1Q84
3 years ago

Whhatever they’re doing, it ain’t working.

And ALL that they’re doing or even (barely) thinking about is wanking, so the question is: which are doing it WAY.WAY, WAY too much – and badly – and which are doing it way too little – and with even less panache?

Can’t they get into auto-asphyxiation instead? If they were really committed to their bizarre rants, that’d be the path to take.

May they take it, with their typical incompetence.

Ninja Socialist
Ninja Socialist
3 years ago

Apparently this man has never met any feminists. All he has are the worst stereotypes and sexist insults.

Lkeke35
Lkeke35
3 years ago

David:
I have to give you many copious laudations. It’s gotta be mindnumbingly irritated to read this type of drivel all the time. You take as many breaks as you need to get your mind right, and sort yourself out because dayyum! I couldn’t get through the first couple of paragraphs of that hot mess without screaming at my tablet!

In the immortal words of John Mulaney: “Now, we don’t have time to unpack ALL of that…”

But if any of the rest of y’all got time today…

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
3 years ago

White Nationalist gurus declare war on witches, and feminists, and feminist witches, and maybe just women in general

Many Mammotheers have seen my shocked face. Here it is again.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
3 years ago

@ snowberry

does anyone know what “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live” actually said in earlier versions?

The original ‘Biblical Hebrew’ word was mekhashepha.

No-one is quite sure what that actually meant when it was first written.

One commonly accepted modern interpretation is ‘one who mutters’. So there’s the suggestion it was aimed at people who did secret incantations.

re ‘muttering’, I have no specialist knowledge whatsoever in ancient Hebrew but the first thing that comes to my mind is to wonder whether the target crime could possibly have been ‘gossiping’ – as in underminding social cohesion by attacking an authority’s reputation and/or talking behind people’s backs/generally fomenting discord.

On the other hand being able to identify and use medicinal plants to cure or kill (and using ‘incantations’ as an aide-memoire and for cooking times) was probably a much more frightening and immediate source of danger, so that’s just a bit of havering from me.

Last edited 3 years ago by opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
3 years ago

PS “undermining social cohesion” etc. is from the point of view of those ‘authorities’, of course. So much depends on whether you’re looking at a structure from the top or from the bottom … :-s

Allandrel
Allandrel
3 years ago

Witch hunt myths are a particular bugbear of mine, due to college experiences with “Fluffbunny” Wiccans who loved to go on about “The Burning Times.” Suffice to say, the proper response to “During the Middle Ages, the Inquisition burned millions of witches” is “Amazing. Every word you just said was wrong.”

Fluff bunnies especially love to bring up the Salem Witch trials, usually claiming the victims as their coreligionists. I actually took some pleasure in explaining that no, as a Wiccan they are NOT members of a religious group persecuted and executed by Massachusetts Puritans – but that as a Quaker, I am. And that maybe they should stop relying on Silver Ravenwolf for everything they know.

Not Edward
Not Edward
3 years ago

@Whoever’s interested
“Mekhasheph(ah)” (it can be male or female) in Hebrew is used to refer to astrologers and diviners / fortune-tellers so whatever the word’s origins it is unlikely to be about poisoners or herbalists. Less clear is the meaning in the context of “permit to live”: its more general meaning is to actively support and promote someone’s health and welfare, so it is not an instruction to kill fortune-tellers as such but rather not to provide them with a living, or not let them earn a living by plying their trade.

Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ not edward

but rather not to provide them with a living, or not let them earn a living by plying their trade.

That’s sort of related to how the law dealt with witchcraft here in England.

Witchcraft was abolished as an offence by the imaginatively titled Witchcraft Act 1735.

That however did introduce an offence of offering ‘magical’ services for profit. That was carried over into the Fraudulent Mediums Act 1951.

But that meant stuff like Psychic Fairs and Doris Stokes type events were technically illegal.

As most people thought that sort of thing was pretty harmless, a bill was introduced to repeal that Act too. But then it was pointed out that repealing the whole Act would also repeal the section making witchcraft no longer an offence. So witchcraft would be illegal again. So the new bill was put on the back burner.

In the end the issue was dealt with by EU consumer regulations. In summary, you can offer magical services for profit so long as you advertise them as being for entertainment purposes.

Of course, now we’ve Brexited maybe witchcraft is illegal again.

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Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
3 years ago

My husband and I’s dream is to have like a cabin in the woods on the outskirts of a small town were we can be away from people a lot of the time and be around nature with our like vegetable and fruit garden. I told him if he died and left me a widower I’m going to take his life insurance and go make that cabin and be the witch that children dare each other to go get close to the house. When really it’s just me, writing books, knitting, canning vegetables and coming into town like once ever two months for supplies.

Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ elaine

the witch that children dare each other to go get close to the house.

For authenticity, make it a gingerbread house with a large oven!

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
3 years ago

@Snowberry

Given that the language of the KJV was altered to conform to the cultural and political sensibilities of England of the early 1600s, does anyone know what “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live” actually said in earlier versions?

Some MP wrote a sceptical book on witches in the 16th Century and he translated pharmakeia (which was the translation of mekhashepha the Septuagint used) as poisoner.

To me, that makes sense. Mutterers are merely irritating. Herbalists are useful, though need careful handling. Poisoners aren’t welcome anywhere. 😛

OK. Really late on that one. 😛

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Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

equus cacas

<b>Then the question is, does that mean witch, or was it aimed at poisoners?</b>

@ AlanRobertshaw:
Most of the whinecell grousing is aimed at “anyone who isn’t me”

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago

 Only the carriers of genes that are resistant to this, which is, in part, extreme conservatives and the extremely religious, survive: the anti-feminists will inherit the Earth

Cute that he imagines inflexible people who are scared of change will ride out the collapse of civilization better than the herb-gathering spinsters at the edge of the forest.

persons with high mutational load

Have these two big brains figured out yet that not all mutations are harmful, some are adaptive, and you can’t just arbitrarily define a mutation as “a trait that deviates from how I think people should look and behave”? After all, their beloved blonde hair and blue eyes are mutations.

L G
L G
3 years ago

Since it’s topical, I’ma recommend Abi Thorn’s YouTube essay about witchcraft and labor issues:

LouCPurr
LouCPurr
3 years ago

Some MP wrote a sceptical book on witches in the 16th Century and he translated pharmakeia (which was the translation of mekhashepha the Septuagint used) as poisoner.

Some anti-vaxxers are now claiming that pharmakeia refers to the likes of Pfizer and Moderna.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
3 years ago

@alan

I’m putting up signs that say trespassers will be eaten.

Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ elaine

“Trespassers will be Prosciutto’d”
“Don’t you mean ‘prosecuted’?”

“I know what I mean.”

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
3 years ago

Soooooo, if I’m interpreting things right, the Bible didn’t/doesn’t forbid the use of magic on pain of death, provided it’s white magic – sigils for the defense of people/property or for good fortune, potions for curing illnesses, things like that. And that divination may be okay so long as it isn’t used as a way to make a living – tarot for fun, not for profit (even though the tarot has only been around for a few centuries rather than from Biblical times at least).

Yes/no/maybe so?

OT question for the plastic canvas crafters here: is there a website/forum you recommend for fixing project problems? I’ve been working off and on a kit I bought a few years ago (a turtle paperweight, for the curious), and the stitch count instructions do not match up with the half-globe provided for the shell. And I was wanting some advice on the best way to adjust the pattern so it looks right on the globe.

My thanks in advance for any help provided.

Lollypop
Lollypop
3 years ago

“Lowered child mortality meant that persons with high mutational load were not eliminated from the gene pool, so levels of serious physical and psychological disorders began to increase.”

I think everyone else here has already torn apart the logical holes and a-scientific nature of this pseudo-intellectual nonsense. But just on an anecdotal level if it wasn’t for modern medical intervention, at least three of my friends/family who would pass his standards of Acceptable Womanhood with flying colours (very pretty, traditionally feminine, two STAHMs, one teacher) would be dead through childbirth! And likely by extention their blonde, blue eyed, bouncy healthy boys. A tragedy surely to an evo-psych-loving right wing racist?

AND WHAT’S MORE. Its a fallacy to believe that fatal childhood illnesses just picked off the “weak”. That’s not how bacteria or viruses work! If you lack natural immunity the strongest, most robust person will die. Letting loads of kids perish from whooping cough does not leave a cohort of super strong healthy kids alive. This is just a ideological twin to the general right wing idea that illness only really affects those who somehow deserve it so stuff like free healthcare is just an indulgent waste.

occasional reader
occasional reader
3 years ago

Strange. I was thinking that Witch Hunting was forbidden because it would have lead to Trump Impeachment, according to his own words that him being under a impeachment procedure was a true witch hunt…

moregeekthan
moregeekthan
3 years ago

I am pretty sure “high mutational load” is just a fancy way of saying “women who aren’t hot.”

Allandrel
Allandrel
3 years ago

@QuantumInc

Underlying a lot of this is the assumption that an easy, happy life will make people weak, and that we’re better off unhappy but strong. They try to justify this by saying that foreigners will come in and conquer you, (which has its own absurdities), but I suspect that these people just value the state of being strong over being happy.

This whole post is an excellent description of some of the fundamental tenets of fascism. But these guys are definitely not fascists, oh no, they’re just concerned about the future of their children…

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
3 years ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants

After all, their beloved blonde hair and blue eyes are mutations.

So is the ability to digest lactose later in life; it basically only appears in significant numbers after the development of agriculture meant that things like the creation of cheese became common. (And I vaguely recall that genetic tracing suggests the mutation has cropped up independently something like three different times in different places.)

Of course, the human inability to create our own vitamin C is also a mutation, and technically a deleterious one, but since everybody has that (the mutation pre-dating the speciation event for humanity) he probably doesn’t count it.