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Credit card declined? You’re going to have to eat bugs, according to Infowars weirdo Paul Joseph Watson

Well, it’s better than having the bugs eat you

So a Swedish tech startup called Doconomy is releasing what they call “the world’s first credit card with a carbon footprint limit.” The idea is to track the carbon footprint of all the shit you buy on a regular basis and encourage people to buy carbon offsets when they spend too much money on environmentally harmful stuff.

So where exactly does the mandatory bug eating come in?

That bit of unappetizing prophecy comes courtesy of the overheated imagination of Infowars blabber and general scaremonger Paul Joseph Watson, who in a recent video tried to argue that the DO Black card would put us on a slippery slope to compulsory bug dinners.

Eating too much red meat this month? Take one too many car journeys? Not recycled enough garbage? Well in the near future when you go to pay for something on your credit card you could be met with this: transaction denied, you’ve reached your co2 emission limit.

Uh oh. That sounds ominous.

That steak dinner you plan for tonight is actually gonna be a bug burger made of mealworms all washed down with an invigorating cup of … worm poo tea.

Actually, on the off chance I ever go to a restaurant that serves both steak and mealworm burgers (and makes you pay before you eat), and my DO Black card is declined I think I would just whip out a different credit card and pay with that.

But Watson has a whole elaborate scenario for the future in which these cards are your only option. He notes that in a recent paper in Nature discusses the possibility of “mandatory [personal carbon allowances] or personal carbon-trading schemes” in the future that could help “to promote low-carbon lifestyles in a synergetic manner.” The authors of the paper actually reject the idea of “carbon card” and suggest using smartphones instead. They also point out that whoever implements their altogether hypothetical scheme will have to provide possible subsidies to keep poor people from getting too screwed over.

I’m not sure Watson, his head filled with visions of worm dinners, has read the whole paper, which was more an extended thought experiment rather than a concrete proposal. And no, it contained nothing about eating bugs.

But Watson can’t get the bugs out of his head.

There you were thinking you’d never eat the bugs once you top out your co2 ration limit. It could be a choice between consuming the crickets or going hungry. But wait, not only could future purchases be dependent on whether you’ve topped out on your carbon footprint.

They’re also announcing that credit scores could be based not on the fact that you’ve abused credit and got yourself into mountains of debt … but … on … non-financial customer data such as browsing histories and online shopping behavior … or customer ratings for online vendors. [Or] you shared an article that the fact checkers weren’t happy with. [Or] you tweeted a nasty thing about Jeff Bezos. [Or] you failed to post the black square for BLM. Now you can’t get a loan; now you can’t get a bank account; now you can’t get a mortgage.

Or, apparently, a roast beef sandwich.

I’ve heard dried locusts, ants and beetles are an acquired taste. Well, if the technocrats get their way you’ll be acquiring it very soon.

If we ever get to that point (we won’t) I’m pretty sure Infowars will start selling bug protein supplements. I’m kind of surprised they don’t sell them already.

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Trying
Trying
3 years ago

Hakuna matata.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

There is actually a lot of investment now in using insects, especially mealworms, as a food source.

With the global population estimated to increase to 10 billion by 2050, and food production needing to increase by as much as 70% to meet growing demand, serious challenges are posed around the sustainability of our food production systems, particularly in regards to meat.

We continue this discussion with another option — insects. We see scope for insects to reduce the environmental burden of our food system as an alternative for both animal feed and food for human consumption.

Although there are numerous hurdles to overcome, notably regulation, price and cultural acceptance, we see insects as a viable middle ground for consumers wanting to make their diets more sustainable without going entirely plant-based, as well as offering a more sustainable source of animal feed. The insect protein market could be worth up to $8bn by 2030 (+24% CAGR) and we see upside if the supply and demand factors continue to develop favourably, similar to what we have seen in the plant-based space.

https://www.investmentbank.barclays.com/content/dam/barclaysmicrosites/ibpublic/documents/our-insights/InsectProtein/Leaflet%20Alt%20Meat_WEB.pdf

as the world’s population grows, and the proportion of the global population which can afford livestock products increases, then this competition would be expected to result in higher prices and increasing uncertainty with regard to supply chain stability. As such, if UK agriculture is going to continue to satisfy the demand for meat and animal products, then novel sources of protein will need to be identified and developed.

https://businesswales.gov.wales/farmingconnect/news-and-events/technical-articles/potential-sources-protein-animal-feed-insects

Megi Stardust
Megi Stardust
3 years ago

Gross

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

PJW does have some weird ideas about eating at restaurants:

https://youtu.be/McRSjIhxf0U

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ moggie

That was weird. I’m not sure that paying $12 for a $1 chocolate bar is really ‘sticking it to the man’. Or at least, if that’s his activism, I suspect the restaurant will be willing to live with it.

Related: I once took my goddaughter to a hip restaurant. She decided she just wanted beans on toast; and a kit-kat. Bless them, they nipped to the shop down the road and actually made that for her.

Turns out she was a trend setter.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-318777/8-Jamies-beans-toast.html

Dalillama
3 years ago

I rather suspect that carniculture is going to beat out insect protein in cultures that don’t currently eat them if meat gotten directly from vertebrates goes by the wayside. It’s a not uncommon scifi conceit that people from high tech cultures are perfectly happy to eat all manner of meat dishes, but won’t even contemplate eating anything that used to be a living animal. This is especially prevalent among stationers, belters, lunarians, and other folk who live in artificial habitats full-time.

Last edited 3 years ago by Dalillama
Full Metal Ox
Full Metal Ox
3 years ago

I remember the source movie for the header GIF: The Deadly Mantis (1957), by Universal-International Pictures; my family used to own that on 8mm, to be whipped out for sleepovers; it was preceded on the reel by the Woody Woodpecker cartoon “Who’s Cooking Who?”

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ dali

You ever read Arthur C Clarke’s Food of the Gods?

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
3 years ago

“Credit card declined unless you eat a prawn cocktail.”

I can live with that.

Dalillama
3 years ago

@Alan
Nope. Run across the idea elsewhere, though, and it will definitely happen. Not in secret, though, it’ll be their entire marketing program.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
3 years ago

 It could be a choice between consuming the crickets or going hungry.

I mean it seems really obvious if you’re that worried about bugs, you could just… you know… eat a vegetarian dish. Bean burger. Problem solved. Whew, that was easy, all that worrying about bugs, just gone! Whatever will I do with the time I saved?

I bet this guy is constitutionally incapable of eating a veggie burger. It’d probably cause his face to explode like Arnie in that Mars movie.

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
3 years ago

PJW: Nobody likes him, everybody hates him, he’s gonna eat some woooorrrrrms.

That’s all the brainpower I feel like using on this.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
3 years ago

I expect that carbon reduction, especially in the context of food consumption, will be an exhaustingly huge culture war issue in the US in near future. Conservatives will fearmonger about being forced to eat strawmen in a generally dystopian totalitarian setting. Based on this piece, apparently the prospect of eating insect-based meat substitute is even more horrifying to conservatives than eating like a vegetarian or traditional poor person.

Alan wrote:

There is actually a lot of investment now in using insects, especially mealworms, as a food source.

There was notable business hype about this in Finland a couple years ago, which then promptly fizzled out, causing at least one pioneering cricket farm to fail. Some meat-eating conservatives were crowing, as they saw this as a vindication of their view that real people want to eat real food now and forever.

(Personally, I consider insects, like fish and other seafood, to be “meat” technically and for pretty much all practical purposes.)

Although there are numerous hurdles to overcome, notably regulation, price and cultural acceptance, we see insects as a viable middle ground for consumers wanting to make their diets more sustainable without going entirely plant-based

Eh, I think a viable middle ground for most people would be just eating less meat and dairy. Many wouldn’t even need to try out non-conventional protein sources. Or, preferring fish and chicken over more carbon-heavy animals would be likely about as good as preferring insects. It seems few people enjoy eating mealworms for their taste and texture. If I needed a generic protein supplement in my diet, I’d go for soy, which is otherwise better environmentally and ethically. I doubt many people will find insects more appealing than plant-based protein sources. Also, there will likely be lab-grown meat, as Dalillama suggested.

Seth S
Seth S
3 years ago

Have these people never heard of Fy?

I really want to try it myself…. microbe-fermented protein sheets, originally cultured from a strain of Fusarium fungus found in acidic springs in Yellowstone. Has all the essential amino acids humans need, apparently, and low in fat. Very easy to grow indoors in warehouses on carts that hold baking sheets, within cities, requiring only proper tool sterilization and appropriate culture handling techniques (same as for yogurt or any other fermented foods), temperature control, and a nutrient broth to ferment. It produces 5.4 times the protein per acre of crops as beef,1.3 times more protein per acre than plant protein sources, using 99% less water, and takes just 3.5 days to produce one full baking sheet of the stuff, which works out to one baking sheet being the equivalent of 30 whole chickens per year… so ONE cart that holds 20 sheets is 600 chickens in a year… I’m not sure if much cage space would hold 600 chickens in a year even at the worst factory farm.
The fungus also naturally produces a fibrous mat as it grows, that mimics the fibrous texture of meat, albeit less organized/without a dominant direction, because it’s not muscle. Because of that it requires less processing to be turned into seasoned food than many other microbe-based protein sources that require extensive processing and are used more as food additives.

IMO this is going to be the way of the future. If it tastes okay and is affordable, I’ll totally (mostly) replace meat in my diet with fungus protein.

I’m not sure why I find the idea of eating fungus mats preferable to eating bugs. Maybe it’s because I’ll also drink beer or eat bread?

Last edited 3 years ago by Seth S
Lumipuna
Lumipuna
3 years ago

I mean it seems really obvious if you’re that worried about bugs, you could just… you know… eat a vegetarian dish.

Turns out humans, unlike cartoon lions, aren’t obligate carnivores.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
3 years ago

[Y]ou tweeted a nasty thing about Jeff Bezos.

Everybody and her sister has tweeted nasty things about Jeff Bezos. It’s pretty much mandatory for a person with self-respect to say bad things about this robber baron/astronaut. If this becomes a law, they’re gonna run out of bugs.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
3 years ago

Speak of the devil, aka Jeff Bezos:

California limits use of productivity quotas by Amazon, other warehouse companies

Gov. Gavin Newsom says the new law, which targeted Amazon, will protect workers and give them “the dignity, respect and safety they deserve.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/09/22/amazon-california-productivity-quotas/

Now I’m even more glad that I voted against recalling Governor Newsom. Plus he’s a good-looking guy. Take that, incels.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
3 years ago

Seth S:

The fungus also naturally produces a fibrous mat as it grows, that mimics the fibrous texture of meat, albeit less organized/without a dominant direction, because it’s not muscle.

So it’s essentially a lab grown mushroom. Mushrooms can indeed be a nice “plant” based alternative to meat sometimes. Remains to be seen if this is ecologically or economically more efficient than traditional mushroom farming.

Longest time lurker
Longest time lurker
3 years ago

@Alan

Your Goddaughter reminds me of when my aunt and uncle took me out to a very very fancy restaurant to celebrate my graduation, except I was taking an MAOI-inhibitor and had a list of Thngs I Could Not Eat On Pain Of Severe Reaction which was about a foot long. Including all the things expensive restaurants like to use, such as stocks, sauces, aged meat, cheese, red wine… The head chef came out, looked at me like he thought I was lying, went through a transformation as he realised no one could possibly be that specifically picky, and then created the tastiest meal I have ever eaten. It also did not try to kill me even a little bit!

Lizzie
Lizzie
3 years ago

Without going to the trouble of looking things up- about ten years ago I bought a book for a friend which was all about the use of maggots as a food source. The food producers used a bunch of flies to produce a heap of maggots and then ground the maggots into flour that could be used as food for animals, or of course for humans’ food – baking bread etc. Seemed an excellent idea, given the fast production of maggots and the ease of drying, grinding them into flour etc.

Lizzie
Lizzie
3 years ago

Without going to the trouble of looking things up- about ten years ago I bought a book for a friend which was all about the use of maggots as a food source. The food producers used a bunch of flies to produce a heap of maggots and then ground the maggots into flour that could be used as food for animals, or of course for humans’ food – baking bread etc. Seemed an excellent idea, given the fast production of maggots and the ease of drying, grinding them into flour etc.

Skiriki
Skiriki
3 years ago

FYI I’ve made chocolate-coated honey-salted crickets and locusts once as a treat to a birthday party and they were pretty nice; I personally liked crickets better, but it turns out that thanks to my seafood & fish allergies, I’m also mildly allergic to both critters, so this is a no-go to me.

You will need some swift reflexes with this one.

  1. Acquire a desired amount of crickets or locusts, freeze-dried; clean off legs, wings, heads.
  2. Heat a pan, and start with high heat; put the creepycrawlies on the pan and stir. Let them brown a tiny bit, then pour in very runny honey and stir stir stir stir don’t let honey burn or else!
  3. Put lumps of creepies on a baking sheet spread over cool large pan, either as singles or in small lumps; sprinkle with some fancy salt lightly and let them cool.
  4. Once cool, either put them into moulds and pour dark chocolate over them, or roll in dark chocolate. Let them cool, consider the idea of giving them a spin in dark cocoa or powdered sugar (or blend of both, both is good too).
  5. Feel free to improvise with all kinds of things, such as marshmallow dip before chocolate etc.
  6. Finally, Watson is a screaming large adult baby.
LollyPop
LollyPop
3 years ago

“worm poo tea”

For goodness sake. Is the man FIVE? *rolls eyes for eternity*

To be fair the credit card just sounds like a misguided attempt to avoid the inevitable fact that one way or another our current monetary system will not survive climate change – whether that’s solving it or letting the world go to shit. There is not a market solution to this, and if we removed the increasingly detrimental “having to make a profit” stage out of managing resources we’d handle the situation better.

I personally would like to see a world where food production was organised so we meet everyone’s basic calorie needs through plant-based/ lab grown means, while farmers, fishermen and community gardens could continue to grow and sell items in a much reduced, environmentally friendly and generally locally-based “market” capacity. So no one is in fear of starvation, but you don’t destroy local food cultures or inhibit humans proclivity to barter, trade etc.

moregeekthan
moregeekthan
3 years ago

My personal question, how desperate does the search for alternative protein sources need to get before red beans & rice becomes a common menu item?

sarah_kay_gee
sarah_kay_gee
3 years ago

PeeJayDubs thinks paying for a dinner at an Austin restaurant whose owner’s politics he disagrees with is a good way to “own” said owner, so… I’m not sure he fully understands restaurants: how do they work?

When InfoWars starts selling mealworm- and cricket-based supplements, will they be as chock-full of delicious lead as everything they sell now is??

Last edited 3 years ago by sarah_kay_gee