Do you remember when alt-rightsters wouldn’t shut up about “white genocide,” the alleged plot by our hidden (((puppetmasters))) to get rid of the white race by convincing people of color and white people to have biracial babies together? By their logic, anything that encouraged mixed marriages/relationships, from multiracial underwear ads to mixed-race emojis to anal porn, was an act of genocide against the white race.
Now the Gender Critical activists — as I noted in a post here last December — are using the same logic to argue that pro-trans activists are promoting “lesbian erasure” as former butch lesbians come out as trans men.
Well, fast-forward 8 months and some Gender Critical memester has taken this logic one step further with this meme denouncing, yes, “tomboy genocide,” which I found posted on the FightFemaleErasure subreddit (an attempt by Gender Critical Redditors to circumvent the ban on the Gender Critical subreddit).
The logic underlying the meme is the same as the “lesbian erasure” argument: by promoting trans rights, trans activists are somehow pressuring “tomboys” — that is, young women with “boyish” traits — to give up their identity and transition into trans men. If enough “tomboys” do this we end up with no tomboys — which of course means TOMBOY GENOCIDE.
Of course, this assumes that every trans man is really just a confused tomboy who got conned into getting top surgery.
It never occurs to the Gender Crits that maybe some of the tomboys they knew in years gone by were trans men who for a variety of reasons hadn’t decided to transition, or didn’t realize it was an actual real-world option. The relatively greater awareness of trans people these days has led to an uptick in people transitioning — especially trans men. That doesn’t mean they’re all getting conned or pressured or “trended” into it; it may be that transitioning to men seemed too radical a step to take back when trans men were virtually invisible in the culture.
When I went looking for other examples of this new meme I discovered yet more evidence of the Gender Critical/alt-right mind meld: one of the first search results was to this cartoon posted on 4chan, illustrating the “tomboy genocide” logic.
This cartoon is a reworking of this graphic, in which a “femboy” victim is being brainwashed by “Big Trans” into becoming a trans woman. (I think this cartoon is supposed to be satirical, but it’s hard to tell these days.)
I also discovered an assortment of other “tomboy” memes.
You’ll have to figure them out — and explain them to me — because I’m not sure where they’re coming from. Are tomboys having some sort of cultural moment I’m unaware of, or is this just a bunch of 4channers pining for a “boyfriend with tits?”
H/T — r/AgainstHateSubreddits
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@ Kat
I give zero fucks about being banned. I’m shocked I existed this long on here.
You’re lying on me just like a typical toxic person would.
Good thing is that in the real world, your tactics only only work on men who are extremely stupid with no access to information, friends, or family.
Take your morbidly obese ass outside once a week. It might help with some of your mental illness
I’m not sure what that sentence is supposed to mean, given that dude doesn’t write very well. Is he saying that he will attack a woman who calls him by his name “without just cause” (whatever that means)?
Because I’m not sure how else to read that mess.
And if that is what he meant, then a) how is that not being a violent abuser and b) why does that only apply to women?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTzItOizzlE
[Aside: Danny Elfman did a reworking of this song this year. It’s… well, it’s more blatantly political, but has its own odd charm.]
@Insurgency
Yeah, Miggies don’t seem to get the whole “going their own way” thing. All they seem to do is go online and whine about women, which seems pretty much to opposite of “going their own way.”
My best friend is a great example of a guy who is actually “going his own way”: he’s been single for the last 20 years (by choice), he doesn’t waste time whining about how horrible women are (because he doesn’t think they are horrible), and he’s quite happy. Unlike most Miggies, who seem pretty fucking miserable given how much they complain all the time.
Also, he isn’t terrified of women, doesn’t feel some sort of pathological need to avoid all contact with women, and never worries about getting accused of sketchy shit by women (mainly because he doesn’t do sketchy shit). He also doesn’t feel the need to proclaim that he’ll “beat her ass” if a woman “abuses” him by…”violating [his] personal space”.
(Quick question: do you also “beat the ass” of any man who violates your personal space? And if not, is that because you don’t find men terrifying, or is it because you know you run a significant risk of getting your own ass beat if you tried? I mean, you’re a coward either way, but I’m curious which flavor applies…)
He seems like a much better role model for guys who want to “go their own way” than any Miggie I’ve ever heard of.
I thought Tom boys were just girls who had mens typical hobbies, so like a girl into anime video games etc, not necessarily shorthaired or masculine presenting.
in other words my type ;p
@Jesalin: Guess I’ll have a lot to look forward then. Ah well, dipshits aren’t worth my time anyway. But the fear of not feeling ‘traditionally feminine’ enough and comparing myself to trans women who presented hyper-feminine did prevent me from accepting myself for a while.
Also, would ‘boyfriend with tits’ overlap with the whole futanari-fetishism? (don’t google that at work, if you don’t know what that is).
“Calling me out of my name without just cause…”? Whisky Tango Foxtrot is that even supposed to mean?
It must suck to be so afraid of trans people.
@Gaebolga:
Your friend sounds as if he’s concluded that Life Does Not Begin At (HB10 Virginal-But-Sexually-Adept, Aging-Immune, Devoted Only To Conveniencing You You You, Magical-Validating-Sex-Dispensing) Woman—and proceeded with his own life accordingly.
I think I’ve figured out who Globo Homo in the first meme actually is! If anyone else on this page is a fan of pulp novels of the 1930s and 40s, you may recall the various misdeeds of one Dr. Fu Manchu (yes, they were fantastically racist and sinophobic), and those talons (for I hesitate to call them fingernails) on Globo Homo’s hand are similar enough for me to make a claim of identity!
@Insurgency
How old are you?
@Kat
many misogynists want women who look like they always wear make but don’t wear makeup because makeup is shallow to them.
@Full Metal Ox
Pretty much.
He also realized that because of a bunch childhood trauma, romantic relationships cause him way too much stress and anxiety to be worth it. He doesn’t blame women for that fact (he very explicitly blames his mom and dad for screwing him up that way), and he has issues with counseling, so he figured he’d be happier just being himself.
@Insurgency
Please explain how the following is peaceful and/or not abusive.
“Let’s see how glib she is when a man is caving her face in with a lead pipe.”
“Well considering rape is just using a vagina for its intended purpose, what’s the big deal? It’s not like women care about virginity, so that’s not an issue right?”
“Giving the right to vote to women was the single worst catastrophe in history.”
You can spin this any way you want. But if Miggies really were peaceful and not abusive, we wouldn’t hear about them at all. They’d be out there living their lives. But they are in fact, an abusive, hate-filled group. So we keep hearing about them.
Look out folks, we’ve got an edgy, edgy boy on our hands here!
I’m not sure I can take all the edgy edginess.
@Insurgency
Wow, you’re pathetic. go your own way already.
Y’all ever notice how both the alt-right and the gender critical are both weirdly obsess/ fetishizing teenagers that have vagina.
I’ll note that I decided to transition, at most, nine months after I realized transitioning was an actual real world option. Prior to that, I would have been considered a very feminine man.
For people who would benefit from transitioning, we tend to recognize that super quickly once we know it’s an option. But my preferred outcome being to live and be recognized socially as a woman isn’t the same thing as preventing feminine men from existing. Every person is unique, and the preferred outcome for others will not be the same as for me.
This, I think, is a big part of the problem with GC. People are groups, instead of themselves. It’s strange and bizarre to me.
@Elaine The Witch
YEP. I choose to blame western purity culture, at least partially. We’re taught (not in these exact words, necessarily) to obsess over who if anyone an afab person sleeps with or has had the opportunity to sleep with at all times. We’re taught that this kind of weirdo obsession is normal.
And from a systems perspective, it makes some sense. Matrilineal inheritance is easy – it’s generally impossible to deny who a child’s birth-giver is. It’s generally impossible to dispute who raised a child. But it’s inobvious who donated sperm. In fact it’s usually impossible to know unless you create a culture that isolates and controls afab folks on a sexual level from…literally as soon as it’s possible for folks with uteruses to fall pregnant.
So we grow up obsessing over the sex lives/lack thereof of afab folks and thinking it’s normal. Remember that it’s only super recently, at least in the west, that women were “allowed” to own property at all.
@IgnoreSandra:
That is what exposes them as conservative at heart. They lump outgroup members together into categories they treat as monolithic, just like we recently saw with Andrew Anglin. “The” Jew, “The” Negro, “The” Transperson. Like there’s really just one, existing in multiple copies.
@Gaebolga:
Unless he is claiming to be God, smiting those who take his name in vain, I’m baffled.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go try to wrap my head around how Danny Elfman music can be “blatantly political”, considering that it’s instrumental fantasy-movie scores. (And Spider-Man! The original trilogy, not the later pale imitations. Though the MCU version was cool in Infinity War/Endgame.)
My troll alarm rang and then I reckoned I had more important shit to do for the next 24 hours, now I’m tryna catch up but this dude’s all over the place and he’s not even interesting.
I was gonna dedicate some effort to him for the sake of entertainment but I’ve read just enough of his shit to empirically conclude that he won’t even provide that.
Eh, maybe next time.
He released a new album of songs; some of them have YouTube videos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mess_(Danny_Elfman_album)
@Insurgency
You think you are really something, don’t you? Are we supposed to be impressed? I hope not because you seem really pitiful.
Your comment about obesity makes no sense. You don’t know what anyone here looks like. Your body-shaming language is repulsive. I care a LOT about a man’s physical appearance and I absolutely and shamelessly choose my partners based upon physical appearance as a first criteria but I don’t talk like that and your speaking that way has no place here. MGTOWs are gross and repulsive.
@Insurgency
Not by definition. Violating someone’s personal space can be abuse, depending on the context. When a man reaches out as if to touch me w/o asking and just hovers his hands above some part of my body, that kind of personal space violation is wrong and could easily be abuse with the right context.
But no, entering someone’s personal space isn’t necessarily abuse.
And here is the main reason I’m bothering responding to you. Because I think it could be instructive to others.
What is someone’s personal space? It depends on the person. Mine is about a meter in every direction from me. If someone else is that close, I am hyper-vigilant and very uncomfortable unless I trust them implicitly. That is, completely and without having to remind myself they’re probably not going to hurt me.
Now, to a lot of folks, a meter is an excessive amount of personal space. They’d never consider that space mine by default, so they think nothing of squeezing past me or walking near me or the like. This is in some respects cultural, Americans tend to have very large personal space bubbles. If I hit everyone who entered my personal space w/o asking, I’d be hitting almost everyone. I don’t want to hit anyone let alone almost everyone, nor would that be fair to most folks.
Certainly it’d solve my problems in regards to the (few) people who DO invade my personal space bc my discomfort gratifies them, but it’d make people otherwise disposed to tolerate me hate me instead. So it’s not a viable answer for a personal space bubble of one meter.
It’s also very telling to me that you single out women here.
So in conclusion, I doubt women abuse you. I think you classify our existence as abuse to justify a desire to frighten or attack us.
I’ve banned insurgency for obvious reasons.