As you may have heard, Reddit recently took down the MGTOW and MGTOW2 subreddits for promoting hate.
This post, and my post yesterday, offer some examples of this hate, in case any irritating internet babies try to tell you that the MGTOW subreddits were just safe spaces for men to discuss their independent lifestyle, share recipes, and so forth.
These two posts are, I should note, merely the tiniest top of the iceberg when it comes to MGTOWs and their assorted hatreds. I’ve written roughly 650 posts in all about MGTOWs over the past ten years, and have only quoted from 24 of them in these posts.
Here are some of the topics you could have found being discussed in the MGTOW subreddit when it was still a going concern.
Equality between men and women, which for some reason involves women being bashed in the face with a lead pipe.
This lovely fellow has a number of other, well, interesting opinions about women and men.
You may have noticed that all of these comments, including the genocidal one, got multiple upvotes from other MGTOW subreddit users.
Why hating women is good for you.
Ever since embracing misogyny my life has become something I can be proud of. My career has taken off, I’m in great shape, my finances are solid, I’m more well rested, better fed, my sexual gratification became better*, I’m more focused, happier, and more philosophically grounded in reality. …
[H]ating women … is the best thing to have happened to me because, I think, that women are a disappointment regarding virtues. …
Hating women has made me a stronger person… because, let’s face it – there’s a lot to hate, and women make you weak. …
The freedom and strength is too great of a reward not to raise a middle finger toward those cucks and tell their whores to fuck off.
My life is too great to give up. And hate (toward such an ugly thing as woman/white-knights) can be the most healthy response a man can have.
This post got 94 upvotes.
Rape is just using a vagina for its intended purpose:
Well considering rape is just using a vagina for its intended purpose, what’s the big deal? It’s not like women care about virginity, so that’s not an issue right?
This is why you really can’t believe women talking about rape. It’s like an Uber driver complaining they didn’t get a good enough tip.
Women are a virus:
If cats and dogs don’t deserve the vote, then neither do women.
Forget the dog and cat thing. Women shouldn’t vote because they’re too sympathetic to non-white refugees.
Giving the right to vote to women was the single worst catastrophe in history.
Look at Sweden, the “world’s first feminist government” … aggressively ignoring the floods of feral rapists they brought in because no woman in power will ever admit she is wrong somewhere.
Despite all the alleged oppression they allegedly face, MGTOWs are psyched about being white:
I’m feeling absolutely great about being white. My ancestors were kicking ass all over the globe. Only thing I feel bad is that they left too many of those other people alive. Now we have to hear that screeching until we dust off the old trusty battle axe and wield it once again
If semen is deposited in a woman’s mouth or vagina or anywhere else on or in her, it stays there forever.
Usually my first thought when talking with any potential partner is ‘whose cum residue is on her teeth?’
30 year-old women are exactly the same as 16 year-old girls, except for being worse:
Seriously, all I see nowadays is men being called predators for dating legal 18 year old girls. …
Women, simps, and the new generation practically bombard any post about a legal age gap and call the older party a predator. Teenagers are not children, they are adolescents.
The man responsible for this post went on to boast about his own (alleged) experience with some of these “younger *legal age* chicks.”
I’m 31, live in the UK, age of consent is 16. Fucked and dated plenty 16, 17, 18 year old girls. They’re in their sexual and thoughtful prime.
Ew.
A woman my age is not. A woman my age also cannot be taught anything. Men are supposed to teach. I taught those those young women about being feminist indoctrination [sic], the natural roles of men and women, and liberal brainwashing. I gave them some sense of values. Much better than the “I don’t need no man!” 31 year old cat lady.
Another commenter in the same thread added:
Women never really mature past a certain stage,
What for? The are pampered by the world around them,
This is why there are no real differences between a 16-year-old girl and a 30-year-old woman, other than the teenager being more attractive and less damaged.
Actually, women are more like tyrannical 12-year-olds.
The reason why women are tyrants is because they have authority without responsibility. It’s inherent that they are incapable of taking responsibility for their actions. Therefore women with any authority or power will be tyrants….
Give a 12 year old girl power over you and see how that ends. Just look at spoiled children how they behave. Women are children, they stop developing physically at 16 and mentally between the start and end of puberty. Ask yourself what a child will do and you will start to read women like a book. …
Men are capable of ruling and being kings, women always are either controlled heavily by counsel or turn to tyrants.
This is why women shouldn’t vote or have anything to do with politics, and certainly not rule.
Women are lambs who become mutton after a single penis eats their virginity peanut.
This one is a little confusing.
The cuck lords of crony capitalism have made an unholy marriage to the feminazis.
Honestly, this one is a little confusing too.
I think it’s fair to say that these guys belong in the trash.
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One: Note the co-opting of LGBT rights rhetoric “Whatever happens in private between consenting adults is their own business”. This is another example of the aggressive attempts to recontextualize liberatory movements into oppressive movements.
B: This is contradictory. A significant amount of domestic violence is designed to prevent the victim from leaving. If there are no domestic violence laws, then leaving isn’t a choice. So that’s probably the point here – act “like decent human beings”. But the standards misogynists have for women isn’t for us to be decent people – that’s the standard we have for them. What they want from us is total submission in every respect, to return to standing barefoot in the kitchen, hiding the bruises on our necks.
This is not happening.
Reading the first 12 items poor David had to work with, I suddenly – for no reason at all – remembered a statistical snippet about domestic violence . Lo and behold, it’s directly a topic.
As the tide of no fault divorce laws rolled across various jurisdictions throughout the latter half, quarter really, of last century, after a very few years there was a noticeable drop in the number of men being murdered by their wives/partners. Basically, once women had a legal way out of disastrous marriages, they didn’t resort to violence any more.
And men? The rate of men murdering women remained steady as a rock. Didn’t budge at all.
(Can’t claim this is up to date. But I’ve not seen anything positive or different this century.)
This wonderful news to read while I am on vacation
Who says this. It’s absolutely untrue. I’d go the mat on this one.
Ugh incessant whining, illogical conclusions, and constant stewing in hatred. Being a MGTOW seems powerful fun.
Kat, my thoughts exactly, they are already 100% virulent, no viagra needed there at all.
We must get our laughs where we can!
Fun fact: A womans hormonal status is actually fairly stable. It follows a cycle and can be predicted fairly accurately based on when their last period was.
Men’s hormonal status, however? Influenced and changed by almost everything. Did they get a new job? Have they had sex recently? Are they unemployed? Married? Participated in sports? Ate meat? Etcetera. Etcetera.
But men are the norm, so they are not considered ‘hormonal’.
Please, DON’T do 998 more sequel in that serie. I suggested that, but I value mental health, actually.
@Lizzie
These guys are hilarious. Unintentionally, of course.
As opposed to men, who continue to grow throughout life and end up 11 feet tall at death.
It’s just science!
If you are 31 (as I am now) then the truth is that teenagers think you are absolutely decrepit. I remember I was out once with friends and some jolly 15 year old boys started talking to us, exclaiming to my older guy friend “you look ANCIENT mate. Like, THIRTY or something”. Which was rude but you know, kinda funny.
So I VERY much doubt that guy has slept with several 16 year olds at his age, unless he targets the vulnerable and is an active predator. I can only hope his experiences are related to when he was a much younger man.
@Lollypop : apparent age is a very funny thing, what with teenagers having took me for a teenager up until at least 25 or 27. (since then I stopped using the bus line that deserved mostly an high school, probably a big part of *why* they could expect me to be a student ; the two most important thing to look like a teenager is not looking like a serious adult, and be at a place where people expect teenager)
That being said, I don’t expect them to sleep with a lot of women, be them 16y old or older. Turn out even teenagers have standards.
This one gave me a headache. What is going on in their educational backgrounds to make them think throwing random words together makes a coherent sentence?
Virulent? The plan is meant to fail be design? Why? Genocide is good because? They can melt your brain trying to figure out what their point is aside from “I hate my life and I’m going to take it out on everyone else rather than do anything constructive.”
It would be a lot quieter, and the genocide would have to be planned in writing?
@Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Do they die because their human frames can’t support the weight that comes with that height?
I’m thinking about this, because I recently had a dream where there was a giant spider, who was my friend and very nice, and when I woke up I was sad because in reality it would have collapsed under the weight of it’s exoskeleton, and I don’t want that happening to my friends.
11feet is significantly more than the highest possible human size if memory serve well, which is at less than 3m (9 feet give or take ?)
So these 11feet human probably die of old age, if old age is your head exploding like a watermelon becaise you tripped. And it’s easier to trip when your legs bones break randomly.
@Ohlmann – Well, their heads explode about every five minutes, so…
The tallest human on record was Robert Wadlow, who was 8 feet 11 imches tall when he died. He had a pituitary disorder that resulted in him continuing to grow throughout his life. So yes, that probably is about the upper limit.
I don’t understand the logic behind calling women “children” because they stop physically maturing at 16. That’s…kind of what happens when you become an adult.
Manospherians sometimes claim that women stop developing mentally at age 12 or whatever. I think here “physically” may be a misphrasing, or perhaps a reference to brain development (which actually continues into 20s in men and women).
God damn the projection from these self pitying, insecure assholes is even more shocking in that type of format. It’s hilarious that you can see basically all the stereotypical traits of basement misogynist in their screed against women.
-Insecure assholes always seeking validation from their abusers and poor “friends” who don’t care about them.
-depressed unemployed or employed in a dead end job without any sort of prestige.
-self-centered mooch who can’t take responsibility either for themselves or for others in society.
-fantasies about “building or protecting civilization” while being at the same time critically under skilled and anti-social.
-deriving an inordinate amount of value from sexual gratification all the while being extremely anxious about being desired at all cost.
-vengeful, boastful and petty.
I wonder if its the same thing for actual, real, honest to goodness misandrists of this world. Are they also projecting all their insecurities and vices unto the subject of their hate or does their hate is more akin to islamophobes in western countries (mostly fed by prejudiced media and exaggeration).
@Lumipuna:
That is likely motivated by a desire to justify lowering the age of consent to that. (Ew.) The interesting bit is that that desire, in turn, is motivated by the fact that the claim is not true, making that whole argument hypocritical. They want girls that young because they are impressionable, inexperienced, and still only have sub-adult capacities for judgment and reason, so they may be more easily manipulated. They want them before they have mentally developed much past 12, in other words, putting the lie to the claim they’re using to try to justify this sleaziness of theirs.
@epronovost:
Or maybe it’s a status thing. A lot of these chucklefucks, and I include MRAs and (especially) incels in this, seem less interested in sex qua sex than in being able to claim to have a girlfriend with a straight face. Hence e.g. the incels’ not considering sleeping with a prostitute to count — some do, and call themselves “escortcels”, so they don’t consider actual sex with an actual woman, even one they were likely in a position to somewhat abuse with impunity, to wash away the “incel stain” in this case. What’s the difference? It’s not the sex, or even the quality of the sex (likely fairly high coming from an experienced professional), and it’s not even the power imbalance, then, but the ability to claim a woman as their girlfriend that is missing in such cases. So, it’s a status thing, and to all manosphereans who think this way, women are status accoutrements right alongside the recent-model car and the nice suburban house with its white picket fence.
And now an OT medley.
A few more Olympics observations:
Pandemic:
Case counts in Ontario seem to be rising again. We’ve had the vaccines available for months. There’s been no real shortage here for a couple fewer months. Why isn’t this over already, at least in Canada? Surely we don’t have the sort of idiotic hard-right refuseniks the US has, at least in any significant numbers? I know that aside from the same essential workers (truckers, e.g.) previously allowed to cross the border, it’s only been opened to vaccinated persons, so the American refuseniks shouldn’t be coming here and spreading the virus.
Phone woes:
Oddly, after I’d slept that night I woke to find the phone no longer showing the non-Chrome update that had been stuck, and that had remained stuck even across a reboot of the device. The Chrome update remained, and had been joined by a new Webview update (odd that these were released on successive days instead of simultaneously); when I retried the Chrome update, it remained, or again became, stuck. When I woke up today both it and the Webview update were gone. Whether any of those three updates had somehow eventually spontaneously resumed and then succeeded (I’d left them all in the allegedly-cancelled state, except the Webview one, which I’d never even clicked “update” on to begin with) or were “recalled” in some way, I don’t know, though I suppose there’s an update history I could trawl through somewhere in the thing. There were two new updates, of two unrelated third-party apps, today and both promptly downloaded and installed without delay once I told them to. So, it seems the problem eventually resolved itself … somehow. Still took two days to fully do so, though …
Hair woes:
How on Earth do women with long hair manage it? Mine has reached shoulder length since this stupid pandemic started, and it’s constantly shifting (or blowing, if I’m outdoors) into my eyes and even strands sneaking into my mouth while I’m trying to eat. I can’t take off a T-shirt at the end of the day without pulling my own hair. It’s annoying.
Is it gadgets I don’t have like hairpins and barrettes? I expect those might be available cheap at the dollar store, though they might come with extra bonus COVID — I’ve tried to avoid any indoor shopping for nonessentials since this started, whether locked-down or open at the time, to limit both my own risk and hypothetically contributing to its spread someday.
Of course, it’s likely that the answer is the one I’m dreading: they have decades of experience managing the stuff, which I lack, in which case there is no quick fix.
@ surplus
Maybe they’d already printed all the stationery and didn’t want to waste it?
The alternative was probably the work experience kid with a bucket of Tippex and a marker pen.
“Women are so irrashunul when they’re on their peeeriud!”
“You mean when their hormonal balance is closest to that of men? Y’know, much less feminine hormones than they usually have?”
spluttering, followed by silence
(I have actually done this.)
To be fair to the Olympics, it does seem like the 20th month of 2020 a lot of days.
We just did all the signing that a refinance takes, and a couple of times I had to scratch out my 2020, change it to 2021 and initial.
@GSS Ex-Noob: I had someone smugly respond to that period argument with the statement that ‘Men can handle it’. A look at history says otherwise, though.
@Surplus: Well, there’s all these mutated variants of the disease. And some you can apparently still carry while you are fully vaccinated. I doubt we’ll be rid of it any time soon. It seems the entire world needs to get its act together and get vaccinated before we can expect an end to it. It sucks. And it takes too long. Blegh.
Surplus:
Oh, snap.
I watched the elephant gif several times. It always fascinates me how they can pick things up with their trunks.
As for the MGTOW stuff… Women in their 30s can’t learn anything? Welp, better cancel the rest of my linguistics degree. Better yet, I should tell one of my poetry-group acquaintances that when she restarted her career in her late 40s, it was all an illusion (she took a degree in her second language to be able to teach high school science, also in her second language).
@Surplus –
Hair elastic. Ponytail. At least, that’s what I do. I don’t know how people go around with long hair hanging down either! My boyfriend also uses hair elastics sometimes – his hair is about at his shoulders.
You can get a small bunch (maybe 10-20) at a drugstore/pharmacy for a couple of dollars. Some people also use regular elastics, but I find they stick.