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The real victim in the Simone Biles controversy is this white dude talking shit about her who got criticized for being a white dude talking shit about her

You don’t need a PhD in Critical Race Theory to notice that a lot of the knuckleheads talking shit about Simone Biles for dropping out of the Olympics are white dudes who couldn’t do a single cartwheel to save their lives. Piers Morgan. Charlie Kirk. Ben Shapiro.

Oh, and this dude, Doug Gottlieb of Fox Sports, who seems mad that Biles’ mental health isn’t bad enough to keep her from sports altogether.

“Let’s not mislabel a mental health episode, where you don’t perform well because of the immense amount of pressure over being judged as the greatest of all time,” he declared, “and a true mental health issue where you shouldn’t be competing in sports.”

Alas, CNN’s Brianna Keilar happened to notice this trend of “ignorant white dudes talking shit about a black woman who survived sexual abuse at the hands of former team doctor Larry Nassar and went on to become the greatest gymnast ever.” In a segment on the network she tore into Morgan, Kirk, and Gottlieb for their terrible takes, noting that all of them could learn “a thing or two … about mental toughness” from Biles.

The CNN chyron read: “White male talking heads question courage of Simone Biles.” Which seems like a pretty accurate description of what was going on.

But Gottlieb is having a little fit over it.

I dunno, dude. Perhaps they used that chyron because “white male assholes question courage of Simone Biles” wouldn’t have made it past the network censors.

Note: If you decide that for some reason you need to criticize Simone Biles, this clever little decision tree on McSweeny’s will let you know if you can.

H/T — Thanks to Mediaite for covering this controversy so fully.

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.45
.45
4 months ago

You know, concerning this whole thing, it’s too bad that we don’t have some sort of system in place for athletes who can’t continue, like backup athletes or something. That might work in this situation… oh wait, it did.

Next thought: Do we care about this backup young woman and her chance to do some cool Olympic stuff? Guess not. We have a target we can bash instead, so who cares?

/sarcasm

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
4 months ago

Simone Biles won multiple gold medals at the 2018 World’s with kidney stones. None of these mediocre white gasbags could’ve done anything like that and they need to shut their fucking faces.

These hot takes are making me so mad. I was not a gymnast, but I was a diver and there’s some similarities in the sports in that you’re flying through the air flipping and/or twisting and both sports are very much mental. I never was anywhere near an Olympic level and I’ve hurt myself panicking and freezing up during a dive. Someone like Simone Biles is doing things that could literally kill her if she’s off.

I’ve been ranty about this for 2 days now, and apparently it’s not going away.

Anyway, I’m cheering so hard for my Minnesota queen Suni Lee tomorrow and also Rebecca Andrade of Brazil who’s come back from so many injuries to qualify in 1st now that Simone is out of the AA.

ProNEETheus, the
ProNEETheus, the
4 months ago

Jfl at a largely white, normie-stuffed “news channel” trying to pander and seem woke by slamming other white people like that. The only people they are fooling are their largely delusional, white liberal audiences who are more focused on hating certain subsets of their own rather than actually lifting one alabaster-colored finger to help someone from the demographics they claim to care oh-so-fucking-much about. If it weren’t for the fact that bigoted attitudes are coded as being something that only crass-billionaires and rural people indulge in, these people wouldn’t give two shits; they are more concerned with having the appearance of being intelligent and classy than they are with actually doing “progressivism” of any kind.

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
4 months ago

I wanna line these assholes up and have Simone vault over them all or something.

I think, sportsmanship-wise, she’s to be commended for not having a giant ego. She wasn’t feeling it, so rather than jeopardize the team (all of whom worked as hard and long as she did), she benched herself. That is a very sensible decision.

She is infinitely more mature than all the assholes who are trashing her. Combined.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
4 months ago

@ProNEETheus, the
For the love of Katie, you’ve posted a comment here too.

You seem to know a lot about the motives of members of the media and progressives. Could it be that this knowledge is something you made up.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
4 months ago

@WWTH

Someone like Simone Biles is doing things that could literally kill her if she’s off.

I have a feeling her critics are good with that.

Chris Oakley
Chris Oakley
4 months ago

@ProNEETheus, the

I’ve gone to movie theaters that did less projecting than you.

ProNEETheus, the
ProNEETheus, the
4 months ago

@Kat

No, it’s just plain psychologizing; normies are unbelievably easy to read, and to predict as well. Your minds are like grub worms writhing about in a glass jar before my watchful eye – I can see their every turn and twist, not one of their movements remains hidden from me.

Nequam
Nequam
4 months ago

Took a whole tube of KY to come up with that metaphor, did it?

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
4 months ago

@ProNEETheus, the

You seem to know a lot about the motives of members of the media and progressives. Could it be that this knowledge is something you made up.

No, it’s just plain psychologizing; normies are unbelievably easy to read, and to predict as well. Your minds are like grub worms writhing about in a glass jar before my watchful eye – I can see their every turn and twist, not one of their movements remains hidden from me.

Snort. I’ll take your purple prose as a confession.

ProNEETheus, the
ProNEETheus, the
4 months ago

@Kat

A confession of what? That I am once again proven right in the face of normie obliviousness?

ProNEETheus, the
ProNEETheus, the
4 months ago

@Nequam

You think you’re being clever, but you’re not. You’re just making noise. You come on the internet and read things about people that you hate in order to feel superior to someone else. In reality, you are just another unremarkable wage-cuck, forever doomed to a life of inconvenience and discomfort. You are wholly lacking in a support system of any kind, one missed check away from a life looking like a distressed alley-cat yowling at anyone you come across for assistance.

.45
.45
4 months ago

Whereas you are none of the above…

Edit: I would also point out most of the people here are far from “normie”.

Last edited 4 months ago by .45
C.A.Collins
C.A.Collins
4 months ago

Gaw, this troll must be an IMAX employee of the year.
Whatta projectionist!
Seriously, if you feel so bad about being financially insecure that your method of coping is to insult strangers on the internet, you need to lobby for stronger social nets and possibly free therapy.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 months ago

@ProNEETus : given your predictions are consistenly wrong, you might want to change your opinion on the predictability of “normies”.

Also, notably, almost nobody is average. The concept of normis have that problem that it apply to no one when you take individuals ; normality only work to predict the behavior of a group.

Richard Gadsden
Richard Gadsden
4 months ago

If you want a new person to really torch, how about Miles Mathis:

“Clearly, she quit because she was sick of being forced to lie [about Nassar] by these bastards in Intelligence who now control everything.”

http://mileswmathis.com/biles.pdf

Some Chick
Some Chick
4 months ago

Oh good, another troll, who is just as predictable and boring as the rest. “Normies” huh? This overwrought purple prose seems familiar but I honestly can’t remember who it was.
Anyway, won’t someone think of the white men, the real victims in all this?
I wish they had the guts to come out and say what they really mean. They want her to get hurt because it fits their narrative somehow. And even then, they’d tear her apart for competing when she wasn’t mentally fit.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 months ago

Aww, it’s a troll who flings big words around like poo! Only ProNEETheus doesn’t fling words around very gracefully or efficiently. To paraphrase one of my favorite authors, the power of English lies in its ability to move, to persuade, and to illumine the majesty of thought. Unfortunately, ProNEETheus’ thoughts are only majestic in the sense that a cardboard Burger King crown can make a child a monarch.

Times like this I miss Scildfreja. Ah, well. Perhaps if we start referring to ProNEETheus as “ducky” it will help us miss Scildfreja less?

Some Chick
Some Chick
4 months ago

Also, the woman who did replace her won Gold. Did we all fail to notice that? So let’s recap. Simone Biles pulls out over concerns for her own well-being and that she’d be a hindrance to the team. The backup won Gold. This is what’s called win-win in the eyes of anyone who isn’t a giant fragile man baby.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 months ago

@Some Chick

The purple prose is so popular with a certain kind of troll, it makes it difficult to distinguish one from the other. It’s a pity that the trolls who roam through here are so bland in their pomposity. A little more originality and creativity in their written communication would make them stand out amongst the troll pack.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 months ago

@VP : but they don’t *want* to be creative. They want to blend with the pack. They think being like every other edgelord will give them status.

It’s not that they cannot be original if their life depended on it ; it’s that they actively refuse to be original.

Notably, it’s a “normal” human instinct to try to blend it ; but the far right specifically provoke it, because a lot of what they do is create magic formulas that are supposed to give them happiness and fulfillment if they follow it. People all following the same formula are bound to not look terribly original.

And as have said so eloquently XKCD, they will live their live having an epiphany after another about what is holding them back, which will all fail, because what prevent their dreams from realizing is that the guy having them is them.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 months ago

@Ohlmann

Sadly true, that.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

Funny, ProNEETheus uses neurodiverse people to simply imply people are somehow wrong, just as ableist in the other direction. My tourette syndrome gives a certain emphasis on the literal aspects of non-literal language and, white people don’t literally exist. No human being is that color. Whiteness is a political group corrupted by it’s historical origin and ProNEETheus offers nothing of substance, just weak dismissal of the post with an assertion of wrongness.

I am in no group with ProNEETheus.

Natsume
Natsume
4 months ago

@ ProNEETheus, the

Except most of these people you, most likely a white person, are bashing? Most of them are pretty well known for donating to charities that help minority communities. Many of them are well known for actual activist work. Most of all, they all use their platforms not only to take bigots to task, but also to broadcast issues and spread awareness of tools and organizations to help.

What do dirt bags like Doug Gottlieb, Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk, and Piers Morgan do? They sit around on their overly privileged behinds, accusing people of minority status who are in poverty of being shiftless and lazy. While doing nothing to help improve the situation themselves. In fact they exacerbate the issues that affect minority communities, by not only fighting against them tooth and nail, but demanding their own following do the same.

Never mind the fact that attacking white news casters for calling out, rightly so in this case, the cishet white men attacking Simone Biles? That’s hypocritical to say the least. Not to mention completely tone deaf.

Also nice of you to mention that you were doing “psychologizing” of so called “normies” is a pretty big red flag. Anyone even remotely acquainted with psychology as a study knows better than to do that. That’s what we have sociology for. Attempting to psychologize a large demographic is already bad, doing it with a term as ill defined and nebulous as “normies” is even worse.

We can; however, apply some sociological standards to the commentators attacking Biles over benching herself for her and her team’s own good. Are they women? No. Are any of them black? No. Are any of them Olympic athletes, especially gymnasts? No. With those basic factors against them… Do they know what the hell they’re talking about? Not in the slightest! Conclusion? The rinsing they’re getting over their ignorant and self centered statements is richly deserved.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
4 months ago

I wasn’t following that close. It was the backup who got gold?

That’s beautiful. And to me is more proof that Simone Biles knew what she was doing.

She removed the risk of injuring herself by doing a dangerous thing when her head and body weren’t cooperating with eachother. And it couldn’t have been easy to make that call.

And she gave a team-mate a chance to shine.

I know they aren’t likely to read it here, but congratulations to the both of them.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
4 months ago

@contrapangloss

Yeah. Simone Biles gave up the chance of personal glory (as if she needs more) in favor of her own health and safety, and for the sake of her teammates. That’s the kind of grace we SAY is an American value, but her critics don’t seem to value her decision. Plus Sunisa Lee isn’t getting all the praise she deserves for winning gold for an Olympics event that was getting even more attention than usual, which is another shame on us.

Sinkable John, 100% resunk with fresh ingredients
Sinkable John, 100% resunk with fresh ingredients
4 months ago

sup I heard there was a verbose troll, I came to ask if there’s need of a bartender on the normie train.

By the way, how’s things ?

Natsume
Natsume
4 months ago

@Victorious Parasol

There’s something amazingly selfless about realizing one is at their own limits and passing the torch on. Which is what Simone did. She gave someone else a chance when she felt she couldn’t do her best. She considered what was best both for herself and the team as a whole. That’s beautiful and it’s wrong she’s being attacked and berated for it.

Then we have Sunisa Lee. She should be getting cheered in the streets. She’s the classic example of an underdog story. She was on the bench as a second stringer. Not considered good enough for the main line up to compete. Then the supernova shining star stepped down and she got her chance. What did she do? She brought home the gold! That’s like a magical scene out of a movie! Yet it happened in real life!

That’s the kind of story the right wing say they love. Apparently they love it a lot less than having a chance to attack a woman, especially if she just happens to be black.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
4 months ago

Oh yay! another troll

@ProNEETheus

Dude your the one making noise and speaking nonsense. you read like a high school students English assignment. But like a really arrogant one who think’s their Shakespeare because there in an emo stage.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
4 months ago

Ot

I wanted to tell you guys how my job is going. This really big ass fish in performance tank thought my mono-fin was a snack and tried to take a bite out of it. They hire ups are also having us change out costume swimming tops because one of the other rather busty swimmers had a wardrobe malfunction right in the big part of her performance where she’s front in center right near the glass. The children’s entertainment became pg-13 rated real fast.

epitome of incomrepehensibility

The expression “talking heads” always seemed funny to me, so the headline seems particularly droll.

And the reporter who’s taking issue with it doesn’t seem to see that it’s not attacking him personally, but rather pointing out the fact there’s a pattern. Or to see, going back to his original comment, that “mental health issues” can be a range of things. It doesn’t mean you’re automatically bad at everything. Jeez, he seems like he’d be a headache to talk to.

@Elaine the Witch – That made me laugh, but I’d freak out at the fish attack. Glad you were all right!!

As for the gymnastics story – damn, I wish I’d watched that. I was too busy a) proofreading (which I should get back to) and b) worrying too much (which I shouldn’t).

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
4 months ago

@epitome

It did scare me a little. luckily a lot of fish just aren’t that smart. you just kind of have to smack him and little and push them away when they do stuff like that. It’s not like dolphins. They don’t have us swim with dolphins anymore because a few years back the dolphins thought the humans with the fish tails were pretty hot and kept trying to mate. That’s really hard to explain to little kids.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 months ago

@Elaine : dolphins trying to have sex with women is a recurring problem from what I have seen. Never heard of them trying that on men ; if they specifically recognize women from men I would find that quite creepy.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
4 months ago

@Ohlmann

I’ve heard of human men trying to fuck female dolphins but the dolphin wasn’t into it. Not the way male dolphins try to have sex with human women anyways.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
4 months ago

Ohlmann,

There are anecdotal reports of wild male dolphins attempting to put the moves on male scuba divers.

They’ve also attempted to drown a 10 year old, and bludgeoned a swimmer to death.

Dolphins can be jerks.

Usually: smart, cool, friendly.

Sometimes: murderous mobsters of the sea, out to kill porpoises and huff pufferfish.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
4 months ago

@contrapangloss

When something gets smart it gains the possibility to be a jerk. The fish that bite my fin was just a cute potato with eyes basically. I just rolled him away from me.

Kereea
Kereea
4 months ago

I was reading over on Gymnastics Tumblr and apparently her landing from the vault was a lot more dangerous and uncontrolled than it looked to the average eye as well, and anyone remotely less skilled would have shattered a knee. Whatever’s up with her head, it COULD genuinely injure her, and badly.

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
4 months ago

I wonder if the useless SWM commentators/cry-babies and edgelords are more or less annoyed that the Black woman gave up her gold-medal-winning spot to… the Hmong-American woman who won the gold medal.

Also Simone sat right there and cheered on ALL the other girls.

@Elaine: Your job sounds pretty cool, bitey fish aside. I feel sorry for the busty woman who was given an inadequate uniform, but glad you’re all getting more covered.

The wire right next to the telephone pole I can see has several birds sitting on it. Doing nothing. Just staring. 99% sure they’re mourning doves but they aren’t saying anything.

I guess our latest troll is announcing he’s the opposite of a winner, since the part of his name he capitalizes means “not in education, employment, or training”. So is he living off other people’s tax money, or in mommy’s basement?

ProNEETheus, the
ProNEETheus, the
4 months ago

@GSS ex-boob

Funny that you should think that I, a comfy NEETzschean, should be beneath the lot of a pathetic grouping of neurotic wageys due to my lifestyle. There is an infinite amount of time for creative and intellectual endeavors amongst one of my disposition; you all, on the other hand, find yourselves in a position to get up every day and be berated by high-risk-high-rewards stimulation-seeking giga-normies who want what they want and they want it NOW. You all are abused by people of lower IQ’s and weaker spirits, all the while, you are cucked by your employers, you are rent-cucked by your landlords, tax-cucked by the two-party government, etc. How does it feel, to simp all day for cash, only for it all to go to high-status normies who own more than you’ll ever get in 3 lifetimes over, even though you already produce it?

You are cucked:

  • spiritually
  • financially
  • psychologically
  • politically
  • socially

Don’t lie to yourselves, wage-cucks. You’re not the ones in enviable positions.

ProNEETheus, the
ProNEETheus, the
4 months ago

@G. A. Collins

The fact that you blather about projection (an entirely normal psychological trait amongst humans, so you know) only compounds what I was saying earlier about normies being a predictable bunch of sheep. What’s next? Are you gonna post some XKCD comics and accuse me of suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect?

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
4 months ago

@ProNEETheus

oh good, the prose pussy is back to give us a bunch of worthless paragraphs. dude go home. your fucking boring.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
4 months ago

@GSS ex-noob

Yeah all the gals I work with have been super nice. One of them even helped me record one of our shows so I could sent it to my husband. He told me I looked like I was living a little mermaid fantasy the whole time because it has been a lot of fun. Their gonna give us tops that are more like a sport bra now because what we have are these swim tops meant to look like shells, like what Ariel wears in the Disney movie. That doesn’t work when you have DD breast like my new friend does. The company that made the swim tops didn’t even make them in her size so she’s been having to wear one to small and it just snapped under the strain. Luckily small children don’t really care about boobs that much. It was really the parents that got upset.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
4 months ago

@ProNEETheus

Sorry sugar, only man who gets inside my body is my husband. Why don’t you go cry back to loneliness of your cold bed.

Viscaria
Viscaria
4 months ago

Bragging rights to whoever thinks of the best possible definition for “giga-normies.”

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
4 months ago

@Viscaria

My guess that it’s anyone who has a job, friends, a spouse, pets, and a home because pissy prose troll is upset that they have none of those things and really wants to be a white republican billionaire.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
4 months ago

Gigs-normies:

Adult humans who have written between 1,000,000,000 and 999,999,999,999 words in a word processing program over the course of their lifetime.

These are not to be confused with giga-nerds, who have acquired (through skill or purchase) at least 1,073,741,824 units of some form of in-game currency in any 1 video or computer game, over the course of their lifetime.

(I hate that these are white collar focused, but I can’t imagine the carpal tunnel or tennis elbow from using any hand tool 10^9 times…)

Last edited 4 months ago by contrapangloss
MattP (must mock his crappy brain)
MattP (must mock his crappy brain)
4 months ago

@ProNEETheus

So, living in mom’s basement then. You are at least helping a bit with food and rent, right, uberman?

Human time is explicitly finite, yet even when my sorry ass spent several years NEET at my mom’s house due to burnout from gradschool with uncontrolled depression and anxiety-fueled IBS, I was still able to spare a few hours each week to handle most of the cooking, housework, and yardwork. Still not a well functioning human, but part-time design/assembly work at a small scientific instrument business means I’m not a complete leech like most glibertarians/randroids and able to help more with upkeep and upgrades to the property.

Which of your creative and intellectual endeavors have actually progressed beyond a bit of gas passing by your ears on the way out your ass and into an object or process possessing value to others? Art? Music? Literature? Science? What, uberman, have you accomplished? What have you brought us puny mortals from the realm of the gods, and how are you able to be so long-winded about it while bound to that rock with those eagles always eating your liver? Smearing a bit of barely comprehensible shit on the internet doesn’t put you any higher than a dog dragging its ass on the carpet.

Mrs Morley
Mrs Morley
4 months ago

@proWhosis

Most of what you write is utter nonsense, so picking just one thing to mock was difficult.

The bit below has me giggling.

amongst one of my disposition

Both “among” and your florid preference “amongst” refer to several objects. While you can sensibly refer to “one among many” (even “one amongst many”), your choice would only be made by someone with no grasp of either style or grammar.

Last edited 4 months ago by Mrs Morley
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
4 months ago

@ProNEETheus, the

How does it feel, to simp all day for cash, only for it all to go to high-status normies who own more than you’ll ever get in 3 lifetimes over, even though you already produce it?

You know as much about my career and finances as you do about my neurology and psychology. Zero.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 months ago

@ProNEETeus : outside of the general gripping about how edgelords like you tend to be very unoriginal, I would also point that A – a lot of people here do actual stuff against exploitation and B – in your sentences, normies, chads, simp, and IQ all litteraly are meaningless. And no, I won’t let you the benefit of the doubt and won’t believe you actually know a sense to them that make sense in context.

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