Here’s a creepy bit of copypasta i found crossposted on the MGTOW subreddit and the incel-infested Black Pill Club site. It’s a little apocalyptic fantasy envisioning some variety of “WW3” tearing down our allegedly lady-dominated society and putting “strong men” in charge again.
“We need WW3/something really devastating so strong men can take back western society,” the post begins.
Its no secret that western society (so far, its likely that other the rest of the world will be feminist soon as well) has been ruined by feminism and all sorts of degeneracy.
Ah, “degeneracy,” that favorite Nazi dogwhistle.
Men, especially straight white men are villified and get no respect. Everything is blamed on the “evil” patriachy. Lots of men are brainwashed into believe the whole women being oppressed narrative. I won’t even get into the lgbt+ degenerate bs here.
People are ungrateful to men who build and made the US and in general the west so powerful.
WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH, er, sorry, “built and made the US” to feed you!
And things will only get worse. We have had it too easy in the west so people in the past few decades (and now with social media it has only gotten worse) became focused on dumb shit like feminism.
We’re living in the midst of a pandemic that has already killed more than ten times the number of Americans who died in Vietnam. Fascism is on the rise worldwide. I’m not sure things are quite so “easy” as you think unless you live a pretty cosseted life.
We need real problems, maybe WW3 or something else that is devastating so people grow up and appreciate men again
You really think you’re the grown up in this scenario? You live in a fantasy land.
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You know, considering that a Third World War would probably be started by men (Who still run most of the globe’s governments, copypasta assertions or no), that might make it difficult for the anti-feminist crowd to establish the dominance they fantasize about.
After all, it’s just as likely– and more so– that people might think twice about putting the same clowns in charge that blew everything the fuck up in the first place.
Dumb shit like feminism? Seriously, the fact that guys like this exist shows we still need it. Plus, what makes the think they’d be on the winning side of anything?
A the sweet smell of insecure weak men and boys who dream of one day being able to be strong in a way they never could or even wanted to in their lives.
They want war because they imagine that if they follow the right strongman warlord in the Mad Max aftermath, i.e., one who ends up winning against other warlords and successfully raiding settlements, they might get “comfort women” doled out to them. And get status more generally. So, basically they fantasize about getting to put on a horned helmet and go raping and pillaging.
This is fascism’s dark appeal. Start with a system where there is a social contract that promises upward status-mobility if one follows the rules and works hard. Then watch as some of the most successful gain the political clout to pull up the ladder and halt that upward mobility. Later generations get told if they work hard they can get ahead, only to find it’s not true anymore. Some are frustrated from gaining status.
Worse, the expectations placed on people to not be considered a loser haven’t changed. You still need a house with a white picket fence, or at least not to be in Mom’s basement. You still need a car. You need a career, which strictly excludes any job involving asking if people want fries with that. And all of that is out of reach of a growing fraction of young adults.
Worse still, you need a spouse, or some kind of long term romantic relationship, the committed kind, but no one will commit to someone still living in Mom’s basement and working a McJob like they were still a teenager. Their expectations for a partner are higher: present or plausible future homeowner with a car and a career with upward mobility prospects.
So that growing cohort of frustrated young adults can’t get a long term partner either. They feel locked out of adulthood itself, consigned to perpetual teenagerdom and low status when they have, per the stated rules, by now earned a higher status. They’ve been cheated; the game is rigged.
This creates in turn anger and a desire to just take what they feel they’ve earned. If they are men who objectify women, that includes taking women. Some turn to criminality: property crime, rape, organized crime. The latter offers the prospect of an alternative career with upward mobility and status; and access to “comfort women” in the form of trafficked and otherwise exploited sex workers.
It also creates a desire to hit back at those who’ve wronged them. Sometimes that gets channeled usefully, into left activism, but often it festers into a misanthropic desire to just watch the world burn … or perhaps even to light the match.
The misanthropes at first aren’t organized. They commit isolated crimes — spree shootings, bombings, serial rape and murder. Arsonists are typically from this group. But they are ripe for recruitment by any demagogue with ambitions of political power who can credibly promise them the status they feel they’ve earned, and the more they would also be a wrecking ball aimed at the whole rotten system, the greater their appeal to the misanthrope set.
So the system is unstable to takeover by a fascist demagogue. And even though Trump lost in 2020, that instability is still there.
QAnon got one thing right.
A storm is coming. And Trump was just an early sound of approaching thunder.
The above goes a long way toward explaining the “hidden Trump voter” phenomenon as well.
Picture a misanthrope. This one is probably relatively timid; like the vast majority, he likely lacks the gumption to “go ER” or otherwise commit crimes. Telling his boss “fuck you!” and quitting his dead-end job is probably something he routinely fantasizes about, but would never dare do for real; not and risk homelessness if he couldn’t land a new job fast enough. The most antisocial thing he’s done since graduating high school was to sign up for an account at an incel site and post a screed like the one that is the topic of David’s article.
He has long since given up on politics and quit following it. He never votes; both parties seem too rotten to support. He did, in his idealistic youth, occasionally engage in lesser-evil voting, and was a registered Democrat then, but not for 20 years now. At some point a Republican county clerk purged him from the voter rolls, to no fanfare.
Pollsters used to call him occasionally. He ignored them or said “I don’t vote” each time. They haven’t bothered with him in years. With his registration purged and a track record of saying he won’t vote, he is no longer considered a “likely voter” by any major polling organization.
Then along comes Trump. Our misanthrope doesn’t notice at first; not until after 2016’s first Republican primary debate. Then he becomes vaguely aware of the hubbub. His apoliticality bubble hid what was happening, but now Trump memes are everywhere, political posts, rants, questions, and outright spam are spilling over into normally politics-free spaces, and the name is on people’s lips at the freaking grocery store.
At first his reaction is to turtle even more. “No politics!” he screams in frustration more than once. He withdraws from Facebook and all news media and spends more time at that incel forum, only for Trump memes to flood that as well. But now he takes a bit of an interest. Those are his tribe, the blackpilled misanthropes, and a candidate for office has many of them enthused. Why?
Soon he discovers that Trump is no ordinary candidate. He angers the very people he feels have rigged the system against people like him. He promises to trash that system if elected. And somehow it doesn’t seem like a politician’s promise. Anyway, at least he’s worth a shot.
As usual these days, no pollsters call. His voting intentions never influence any of the charts and graphs that come out, predicting a narrow Clinton win. He registers to vote in late October and even after that no pollsters call.
On voting day, he goes out and pulls the lever for Trump; indeed, straight-ticket R to maximize the chances Trump will have minimal obstruction from the House and Senate.
Trump proves to be as good as his word: the big orange wrecking ball soon has everyone he hates squawking and shedding feathers. And since he’s a misanthrope, that means everyone, but especially so-called philanthropists, most of whom are Dems.
Fascinated, our misanthrope spends four years glued to the news, watching the world burn. At the end of it, pollsters again ignore him and he again votes for Trump.
This time, Trump loses. But the misanthrope is now watchful, paying quiet attention to politics, waiting for the next time there’s a candidate like Trump.
WTF. We just got rid of a strongman in the USA, who murdered an estimated 380,059 Americans through his inaction on a deadly pandemic.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/05/06/trump-covid-death-counter/
Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Stalin: strongmen all of them. Also, they murdered millions.
In addition, I have it on good authority that war is hell.
Why do you hate life so much.
Eh they’d just go you see men need to be in charge as to combat of horror of men being in charge. And that Women need appreciate men from protecting them from men.
So his contention is that straight white men are all Rodney Dangerfield?
Black pill chud: Women need be grateful to men for protecting them from men.
@robert Haynie : did you look at the history of Europa ? Napoleon was exiled after trying to invade Europa, and the first thing french did when he came back was asking him to do that again.
And while they were stupid, I don’t think they were stupider than current folks.
Once again, we see a concept of “strength” defined entirely as “the ability to inflict trauma.”
A bully’s view of the world.
Wait, so the incels think the world will be better for them if “strong men” (i.e. Chads) are even more in charge? I thought they wanted to overthrow Chad-ocracy so that they get the Staceys to which they think they are entitled.
Please exercise caution with the phrase “cute and funny”
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cute%20and%20funny
CW for child exploitation
Kind of silly for incels to fantasize about that. A dystopia run by strongmen would mean Chads would have even more power. Think they’re gonna let incels with their bitty wrist circumference get it on that?
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. They have lived a very cosseted life and they really don’t see it. Every stubbed toe, every minor inconvenience, every tiny problem to be solved seems enormous because they have no perspective and now actively reject any attempts to give them any. Thus WW3 is a good idea because sometimes a twitter makes them feel not great about themselves. It would be pitiable if it didn’t have such a real world cost.
@Ohlmann
The difference there is that most French people didn’t consider Napoleon’s rule to be catastrophic. It’s not as though he laid waste to France during his rule.
Interesting historical tidbit re: Napoleon. There was a plot to rescue him from St. Helena and take him to Argentina, where he would supposedly lead the army there to carve out a South American empire. The group sent to break him out arrived at St. Helena some three days after Napoleon died, and had no choice but to pay their respects and go home.
Narcissism. That’s what.
They’ve fantasized about being in enough b-grade disaster movies, they think they’re Big Men who can handle anything. More than likely a very solid majority of the guys who say this sort of thing would start crying once they find out mice got into the 6-pack of MREs they bought on Amazon, and realized a standard AR-15 kind of sucks for hunting in a way a shotgun doesn’t, and they’ve never gutted an edible animal in their life because they’ve been so dependent on someone else (a woman, probably) going to the grocery and preparing their food for them. Half of them will probably wild-source some nice looking deep purple berries that turn out to be nightshade just after they’ve finished congratulating themselves on their mad survival skills that dumb wimmenz just don’t have.
The whole reason these guys are mad is because reality doesn’t fit the narrative they’ve spun about themselves, but they’ve never let reality stop them from being twats.
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Yeah no.
Urban Dictionary is not a reliable website.
@Seth S
I mean, do you have to gut an animal to be a survivalist? I can persuade a plot of land in Zone 12 to give up enough calories to sustain a person without doing that, I imagine it must be easier in more hospitable climes. And I’m not even a survivalist, I just like to grow interesting plants.
In the event of an apocalypse, bagsie be in Big Titty Demon’s clan.
ETA:
Seth can be in charge of the music.
@Seth:
Narcissism. That’s what.
They’ve fantasized about being in enough b-grade disaster movies, they think they’re Big Men who can handle anything. More than likely a very solid majority of the guys who say this sort of thing would start crying once they find out mice got into the 6-pack of MREs they bought on Amazon, and realized a standard AR-15 kind of sucks for hunting in a way a shotgun doesn’t, and they’ve never gutted an edible animal in their life because they’ve been so dependent on someone else (a woman, probably) going to the grocery and preparing their food for them. Half of them will probably wild-source some nice looking deep purple berries that turn out to be nightshade just after they’ve finished congratulating themselves on their mad survival skills that dumb wimmenz just don’t have.
The whole reason these guys are mad is because reality doesn’t fit the narrative they’ve spun about themselves, but they’ve never let reality stop them from being twats.
That’s exactly it: just as poor (particularly white) Americans have been brought up to regard themselves as temporarily embarrassed millionaires, dudebros have been encouraged to regard themselves as temporarily embarrassed action heroes.
@ big titty demon
It occurs to me you might find these interesting.
https://dig-for-victory.org.uk/monthly-wartime-growing-guides/
https://www.greenprophet.com/wp-content/uploads/Victory-Garden-Handbook.pdf
If anyone survives an all-out-nuclear war (extremely doubtful), it’s going to be the lean wiry types who can get by on no food a day. And the women protecting their children and killing off the macho types who started the war.
Not so much the cossetted keyboard warriors whining about feminism. At best, they get to be the slaves of the Chads, who will presumably be like Immortan Joe and keep all the remaining women. Incels’ social position will actually be *lower*.
Whiners of any gender will be low on the list of “people who get to eat today”.
True, but I see it used in the way that website describes frequently on a certain website
@[email protected]:
True, but I see it used in the way that website describes frequently on a certain website.
Then let’s not let that certain website stake a claim to any more commonplace words and images, the way that the numbers 14 and 88, the “OK” gesture, Pepe, and any number of Norse and Celtic symbols have been contaminated.