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Kirstie Alley has a strange theory about pedophilia so of course she told Twitter all about it

Yesterday morning the actress/scientology crank Kirstie Alley must have been feeling especially judgy so she fired up her Twitter and tweeted out a series of very strange tweets attacking what she sees as a perversely permissive society.

I want to know what on earth she was watching at 6:44 AM Eastern that was “perverse” enough to rouse her to tweet. Are the Teletubbies reenacting scenes from Salo? Has the Farm Report gone x-rated?

Gotta give her points for the Caligula reference; she’s gone old school.

“Morals are guidelines for better survival?” That is the strangest definition of “morals” I’ve seen. Must be a Scientology thing.

Oh yeah, it is, along with L.. Ron Hubbard’s creepy notion of ethics as whatever is good for Scientilogy.

I don’t think I want Scientologists to be teaching kids about morality and ethics or anything, really.

Or trying to stop schools from teaching sex ed.

I don’t think you’re kidding, Kirstie. I just think you’re a little, well, the politest way to say it is that you’re a little confused. Who out there is teaching the kind of “open-mindedness” that would lead to an acceptance of pedophilia? Is this some kind of underhanded dig at the LGBTQ+ community or drag queen story hour or whatever?

I’m guessing it is, because her Twitter timeline is full of jokes about the pronouns trans folks use.

By their endlessly repeated jokes ye shall know them.

I also noticed a non-ironic retweet of Candace Owens, which is definitely a sign that your life has gone way off track.

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jsrtheta
jsrtheta
3 months ago

I spent many years as a prosecutor. I prosecuted pedophiles, though not a lot. I remember well the Nursery School/Day Care Center hysteria of the 1980s, when accusations of child molestation against teachers and caregivers reached epidemic proportions. Of course, almost all of them were false. Many lives were destroyed based on lies.

Pedophilia is a relatively rare pathology. Some estimate it at 5% of the population, which I believe is much too high a number. But I’m not an expert.

QAnon uses accusations of pedophilia as a recruiting tool, but they are far from the first. It is an ancient libel, and handy if you want to immediately mark someone out for ostracism or (much) worse. And people need to be very, very careful about tossing such an accusation around. Pedophilia exists, horribly, and always has. But it is becoming as cheap an epithet as “fake news”, and far more dangerous. Alley isn’t helping.

Alan Robertshaw
3 months ago

Our current society would have been praising Caligula.

Well, I do like his very inclusive policy as to who gets to be senator.

(Say what you like about Incitatus, but, in his political career, he never put a hoof wrong.)

Dalillama
3 months ago

@Alan
If a horse’s ass can be a Senator, why not the entire horse?

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
3 months ago

She’s a Scientologist, so if she announced the sun was going to be rising in the east tomorrow, I’d be getting up really early to look out my window.

Besides that, she’s always struck me as, um… not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Bad combination.

Full Metal Ox
3 months ago

I’d say that children in residential schools have had ready access to the underbelly of humanity. And enslaved children. And child soldiers. Or does Alley just mean white children of prosperous classes in the modern industrialized world? (Who weren’t in the Cadet Org?)

Viscaria
Viscaria
3 months ago

You can “ok boomer” me all you want

I’m not opposed to a good “ok, boomer,” when appropriate, but I don’t think boomerishness is the issue here, Kirstie. I don’t think “we’re all heading to a terrible future where sexual abuse of children is considered acceptable by all” is a common boomer belief.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 months ago

Our current society would have been praising Caligula.

Are you kidding me? We made his modern-day counterpart president in 2016.

(for certain values of “we”)

If the right is so against pedophilia, why do they fight tooth and nail whenever someone suggests educating young girls about consent and red flag behaviors?

Full Metal Ox
3 months ago

@Buttercup Q. Skullpants:

If the right is so against pedophilia, why do they fight tooth and nail whenever someone suggests educating young girls about consent and red flag behaviors?

Because making children (especially girls) repositories of vicarious purity—which serves as a justification for all sorts of authoritarian behavior—is so much more important than keeping them safe, which would entail actually teaching them about the scary things in life and thus compromising their precious innocence.
(At least the specifically sexual scary things; school shooting drills, for example, are normal if you attended school after 1999. I’m told that school shootings are as archetypal a nightmare motif for millennials and younger as nuclear war was for boomers.)

gijoel
gijoel
3 months ago

Our current society would have been praising Caligula

Or as I call him Tang Caligula.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 months ago

@jsrtheta : 5% would be very high, yes. That being said, that depend on whether you are trying to count people that are attracted to children, or people that actually act upon that. Similar to how most people that think about murder don’t actually kill anyone.

As to if it’s a pathology, I am unsure but wary of that kind of classification. I mean, being an asshole isn’t a pathology after all.

MV96
MV96
3 months ago

The right is only really against a subset of pedophilia.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
3 months ago

Okay, Kirstie, but it’s hard for me to think about your dire predictions when I’m still squicked out by the fact that Cheers hypersexualized women and treated incest casually. You were a star on this TV show, so your name is forever linked with this dialogue:

Carla Tortelli : [gets off the phone with her doctor and yells in horror]  Twins?

Carla Tortelli : [about Eddie]  He spills the salt, he breaks the mirror, and I’m the one having twins. I told you something horrible was going to happen.

Eddie LeBec : What is so bad? Twins means we’re twice blessed.

Sam Malone : Yeah! I had twins once, and it was the happiest day of my life.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0539793/characters/nm0001101

SpecialFFrog
SpecialFFrog
3 months ago

Scientology itself has a history or protecting pedophiles within its membership because it is a high crime to turn a Scientologist in good standing over to the authorities.

There are some claims that Scientology appeals particularly to pedophiles with its view that children are immortal beings in small bodies, though I’m not sure any causal link has been established.

And of course Hubbard spent his last years surrounded by teenagers who waited on him hand and foot.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 months ago

@Full Metal Ox – Also, we can’t have young girls learning how to question authority (aka older white males). It’s important to keep them naive and trusting so they can be groomed more easily.

My younger twin started having school shooting nightmares when he was in freaking kindergarten, after one lockdown drill. Fuck the Second Amendment, and all the gun-worshiping assholes who would rather have kids walking around fearing for their lives than spend one second being introspective about their own insecurities. If I could afford to move to another country, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 months ago

@specialffrog : scientology have some common points with organized religion it seem.

(not that it’s limited to pedophilia of course. Financial crimes covering are common too in boths churchs and scientology)

@Buttercup : sorry for your twin :(. What make it even more infuriating to me is that childrens have drills for a lot of different traumatic events like building fire, nuclear meltdown evacuation, etc. The only two drill I have ever heard traumatizing children are active shooter drills and drug-related drills.

As if the goal wasn’t to make them ready for that kind of emergency, but to scare them.

Higherednerd
Higherednerd
3 months ago

“Morals are guidelines for better survival?” That is the strangest definition of “morals” I’ve seen. Must be a Scientology thing.” Exactly! That’s a major religious doctrine of theirs, that survival is the overarching drive.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 months ago

I’ve heard so many stories of ex-Scientologists having to buy dictionaries after they leave the organization because they are no longer certain of what words mean.

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
3 months ago

I only ever really saw Kirstey Alley as Lt Saavik in The Wrath of Khan, so all of these Scientology etc things always seem extra strange. I may have to start preferring Robin Curtis at some point.

People are becoming so “open minded” that down the road they will support pediphilia as people “just loving children”

Would it be too “open minded” to make sure people who are attracted to children can get help before they act on it? Because that’s mostly the kind of support I’ve seen anyone legit calling for, and I can’t see what’s wrong with that.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 months ago

@Masse_mysteria : also, this is an implementation of the old fallacy of the slippery slope. The trick is making it look like that people are more tolerant because they accept a bit of evilness, so they could be elad to accept a lot of evilness.

Where in fact people have moral standard just as high as ever, but actually analyzing what formerly was taboo or otherwise off limit lead us to understand it wasn’t problematic.

Chris Oakley
Chris Oakley
3 months ago

I could gladly live the rest of my life without hearing another word from or about Kirstie Alley.

On a more positive note, I’d like to wish everybody here a Happy Independence Day.

Snowberry
Snowberry
3 months ago

@Ohlmann: You probably already know this, so this is more for the benefit of lurkers than anything… “Slippery slope” is one of those fallacies which is only usually a fallacy. If you can prove a reasonable chain of events which leads to the bottom of the slope, then it’s not actually fallacious (but that still doesn’t mean it’s correct, as “reasonable” is sometimes confounded by blind spots in our collective knowledge).

The vast majority of such arguments are basically an underpants gnome situation; there’s something vital in the middle which is really vague or glossed over or contains an unspoken PRATT (Point Refuted A Thousand Times, AKA something long proven to be false beyond all reasonable doubt but some people still believe it anyway) or even missing altogether. Regardless, this middle link is so weak as to be useless as proof, if not outright wrong.

In this case, there’s no reasonable path between “being open-minded” and “legitimizing pedophilia”. Or at least none which I’ve seen demonstrated anywhere, least of all Kirstie Alley’s take. It might make a little more sense from the perspective of Scientology “morality”, but given how morally dubious the foundations of Scientology are, I wouldn’t put any stock in it.

Moggie
Moggie
3 months ago

What’s “pediphilia”, anyway? A foot fetish?

That bit about support for pedophilia might have carried some weight 40-50 years ago, when there were organisations openly campaigning for pedophile rights and the lowering or abolition of the age of consent. Here in the UK, there was the Pedophile Information Exchange; in the US, there was NAMBLA. The former drew some support from non-pedophiles, and this famously caused trouble for the Labour Party later, when people remembered that one or two of its senior members had, in the 70s, spoken in support of PIE’s aims. Nowadays, though, it’s not the “open minded” who want to normalise pedophilia, it’s incels, libertarians, the “actually it’s called ephebophilia” crowd.

Snowberry
Snowberry
3 months ago

@Moggie: Foot fetishism is called podophilia. Pediphilia would probably be a walking fetish.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
3 months ago

There was a time, in the 60s and 70s, where people were campaigning to treat paedophilia as just another sexual orientation.

There were people like that in the German Green Party when it started out.

As a whole we have come to the conclusion that the thing that makes a sexual act ethical is consent.

And as for shoving sexuality down kids throats:

Why the fuck do straights go ‘Oh, is s/he your girl/boyfriend?’ whenever a toddler plays with a kid of of the perceived opposite sex?!

Can Woman
Can Woman
3 months ago

You should stick to the incels and stop judging middle aged women who have opinions different from yours. You mock every woman who doesn’t subscribe to the new dogma, and don’t seem to realize that you’re part of the misogyny problem. Who TF are you to be the arbiter of what women can think? She may be a kook but why do you have to jump on it? Is WHTM the new place to hate on women? Stop it.

Fraser
3 months ago

One of the problems with this particular slippery slope argument is that it’s never been an either/or between chastity until marriage and Sodom. A culture can be polygamous and oppose homosexuality. The Romans were cool with men having sex with underage boys but not with each other. 1950s America was in practice, tolerant of rape but despised homosexuality.
The implication that if we loosen our standards, nothing will stop us having sex with aardvarks in front of the strip mall does not hold up.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 months ago

@Fraser : mostly, it’s that there is no slope to slip on. Each subject are actually pretty segmented, and the main common point between the various color of the pride flag is that they persecuted and actually pretty acceptable ; transgenderism isn’t an evolution or a conclusion of homosexuality, the two have pretty much nothing to do with each other.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
3 months ago

Uh-oh. Looks like someone’s been dining at the SWERF & TERF buffet …

TacticalProgressive
TacticalProgressive
3 months ago

@Can Woman

It’s because she is a deluded reactionary who proports the position of anti-feminist, sex negative and outright bigoted and stranged from reality nonsense that is not predicated on logic, rationality and fact. David has been able to call out and deconstruct men of such ilk; being able to call out women who express the same nonsense positions is fair game. To assert that we can’t hold a women accountable for a nonsense position on the auspice of her position and the fact she is a Scientologist (because that’s what David is doing; the fact she is a women has no bearing on the subject, and if she were a straight, cis, het man; they would be just as called out for it) and to somehow assert that is in anyway an indication of “hating women”; is both myopic and frankly a willfully bad faith position that acts as a shallow fig-leaf for garbage positions to be left unchallenged.

Garbage, nonsense ideas are garbage, nonsense ideas regardless of the gender of the person expressing said ideas, esspiclly when they are ideas that atually negatively impact and marginalizing women.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
3 months ago

That or the $cientologists are jumping in to support one of their own.

mouse sparrow
mouse sparrow
3 months ago

@jsrtheta

What are you even on about?

The MAJORITY of AFAB folk I’ve grown up with and have spoken to from all over the world say they’ve been abused/creeped on/etc by cis men from all walks of life.
Every guy I’ve spoken to in my life has admitted to wanting to get with teenagers or younger.
That mindset isn’t as rare as you’d like to think.
It’s extremely common.

mouse sparrow
mouse sparrow
3 months ago

@Can Woman

Lmfao, can you not?

She’s obviously anti-LGBTQ+.

“Subscribe to the new dogma.”
LOL, you mean you’re also a transphobic, homophobic asshole?
Who could have guessed?

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
3 months ago

@mouse sparrow

Unfortunately the normal idea is that once a teenage or preteen girl starts growing her first bit of boob and bleeds for the first time that she is no longer a child. So if grown adult men in their 40’s or older want to have sex with her, they aren’t pedophiles because she “obviously got a woman’s body now” and pedophiles only go after prepubescents children. (barf). Never mind I started developing breast at age 9 and got my first period at 12. I think jsrtheta may be apart of that mindset. never mind that clearly a minor has braces and acne, she’s got boobs there for not a child and totally reasonable that men her father’s age secretly want her.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
3 months ago

@Can Woman

She may be a kook but why do you have to jump on it? Is WHTM the new place to hate on women? Stop it.

Criticism is not hatred. David isn’t singling out any age group or gender. In a democracy, no one is exempt from criticism, including middle-aged women. You need a much, much better argument.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
3 months ago

You should stick to the incels and stop judging middle aged women who have opinions different from yours.

It seems like every right winger feels a need to tell those who aren’t right wingers to “stick to [fill in the blank].”

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
3 months ago

I can’t say as I’m surprised, though — $cientology has a hatred of LGBTQ+ baked right into it. Therefore they over-react and go for the knee-jerk right-wing response of assuming everyone who isn’t 100% straight is a pedophile.

Because like most of the right wing, they have no concept of consent, like decent people do. Probably even less than most RW, with the bullying that goes on in $ci.

Rumor has it that’s how they keep their male stars in the fold — threatening to expose what they said in their confessions about lusting after other men. Y’all know who I’m talking about.

The only lustful expressions towards myself when underage were from SWM.

The most polite propositions I’ve had (all as an adult) were from lesbians. They took my gentle statement of being straight quite well, and didn’t immediately bolt from the conversation. I would compliment the ladies on their subtle flirting/technique, tell them I was flattered by their approach, if I swung that way, I’d be interested, and then tell them to stop wasting time with me and go elsewhere to find a lady more suitable to their needs. No apology necessary. Sometimes I’d see the woman later on and we’d give each other a “hey”. I saw one of them the next morning with an attractive woman and gave her a “hey” and a thumbs-up.