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Derek Chauvin sentenced to 22 years for the killing of George Floyd: Open Thread

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Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago

The judge put all his sentencing. remarks, and his legal reasoning for the sentence, in writing.

Link here if anyone wants to read them.

https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/MCRO_27-CR-20-12646_Sentencing-Order_2021-06-25_20210625145755.pdf

Crip Dyke
1 month ago

I read that, too, Alan. it’s good legal writing.

As for my own thoughts on the sentence, well, they’re too long to put here so I’ll just link back to my blog: Overall, I’m happy with this process and this result. My remaining concerns either are about how I would like things to play out in a different, more idealized world that i hope we can create together but which is definitely not here at present, or things that have the potential to be addressed by as yet unadjudicated federal charges and one additional state charge for a separate incident of violence on a 14 year old child.

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pervertjustice/2021/06/25/a-well-thought-out-sentence/

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
1 month ago

I hope the parole board turns him down for the next 22 years.

Hope he enjoys his own company, since he’s got the choice of being in solitary or getting shanked.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
1 month ago

I hope the parole board turns him down for the next 22 years.

No need. Minnesota doesn’t bother with parole boards for the first 2/3 of the sentence.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 month ago

With the amount of copaganda I’m seeing in the corporate media lately (CNN and MSNBC are barely better than Fox News they’re pushing the “crime wave” narrative so hard) it’s tough to feel anything at all. Especially since what’s been happening in Minneapolis in the wake of yet another cop murder is barely making the news.

Mostly_Lurking
Mostly_Lurking
1 month ago

More than you’d expect, but still not nearly long enough. I hope he serves every single one of those years in complete misery.

OT stuff: When you guys started asking about Naglfar, I thought it was maybe a little bit of an overreaction, but now that she’s been gone for a while, I find myself missing her posts too. And Stacy SmartyPants, I enjoyed her stories. Too many regulars have gone away.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 month ago

@Mostly_lurking : in term of danger to society, they should just lock him for perpetuity. I don’t think after 22 years of prisons he will be any better than now ; he most probably be much worse.

In term of justice, anything above 15 years of prisons is the same for me. What could be worse anyway ? Execution ? We know all the problem capital sentences have, *and* it’s probably less painful than 15+ years in a small cell. Forced labor until end of life ? That seem more effort than it’s worth. 40 years instead of 22 ? That don’t exactly make a difference. He will be pushing 70 years when out of prison, if he survive that long anyway.

The main argument I can see in favor of execution here would be to make sure the next president don’t pardon him or some shit like that. That seem way too dangerous a precedent to me tho.

Now, while the sentencing here seem right, there’s still that it’s a single perp getting prisons, while there are hundreds or thousands of murder cops. Most of which didn’t even got a blame for murdering someone.

clingfoil
clingfoil
1 month ago

I still miss Scildfreja, and it’s been a long time now; don’t think they’re coming back 🙁

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
1 month ago

Yes! I miss Scildfreja too. Hope all our absent regulars are well. And of course I hope we might see them here again.

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
1 month ago

This seems like the most appropriate of the current open threads to post this in, so here it is. The ruling suspending Rudy Giuliani’s law license is, at least according to this Slate writer, kinda funny in it’s way.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/rudy-giuliani-law-license-suspended-hilarious.html

I figure our local legal eagles would get a chuckle out of this, at least.

Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago

@ redsilkphoenix

What would be interesting is if the disciplinary tribunal suspended his licence; but put a stay on the suspension if he gave an undertaking not to repeat or make any future false allegations (which I suspect he’ll offer). Then he would have to tiptoe between keeping his licence but not supporting you know who.

Of course, he might not care about his licence. It’s not like he’s a regular trial lawyer now.

oncewasmagnificent
oncewasmagnificent
1 month ago

Old time regulars? I used to be mildlymagnificent, Have spent a few years in the wild dealing with various misfortunes and other ordinary life (and stuffed-up computers) stuff. Been lurking around some of my old haunts recently.

Good to see you lot still plugging away.

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
29 days ago

@Threp: Thanks! So that’s 15 years he gets to rot in solitary. Because you know they can’t put him in gen pop, ever. Lifers are probably lining up to be the first to shank him.

A tiny little cage for a tiny little man.

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
28 days ago

I don’t know that Chauvin will spend the majority of his sentence in solitary; my understanding is that most prisons have a special area set aside from the general population for former law enforcement officers doing time. Similar to how those convicted of crimes against children get separated out from general for their own safety. Beyond that, I can’t say where in prison he’ll wind up.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
27 days ago

I don’t know that Chauvin will spend the majority of his sentence in solitary; my understanding is that most prisons have a special area set aside from the general population for former law enforcement officers doing time.

The disturbing bit here is that this happens often enough they have a special area set aside for it.

One more argument for defunding and massively rethinking.