Messages designed to ruin your Fathers’ Day from the MGTOW subreddit

Ding, dangit… I sent a txt to my son (also a daddy), and I got one from him, but we BOTH forgot to even MENTION the awfulness of women. Guess we were too caught up in the “father’s day” thing….

In you, my son, I am well pleased.

Isn’t that something from the Bible? Jesus-related? (Christian upbringing, spotty memory.)

Mildly related: My boyfriend took me out to a restaurant for my birthday today (I’m 33! restaurants are finally open again!) but on the metro I was working on a Sanskrit translation exercise for my linguistics class. One sentence was particularly stubborn, so I went “Jesus, this sentence is hard” and then “I mean, Vishnu, this sentence is hard” (Vishnu being mentioned in the next one).

I keep doing stuff at the last minute. 🙁 But the restaurant was nice.

As for Father’s Day! I feel a bit bad about not remembering. My dad just came back from a week-long trip (he had to go to the next province to get a minor surgery done) and I forgot to say Happy Father’s Day. No wonder he waited after he said “Happy Birthday” to me; I didn’t catch the hint.

But yes, Happy Father’s Day to all the fathers…except if you blame everything on women, you’re going to make yourselves and/or other people miserable. So don’t do that.

OT : I have had a lot of discussion about police and what to do with it. Which lead me to the fact I don’t have a good reference for a project to replace the current police. Outside of the anarchist PoV of replacing it by nothing.

I would say we really need to have more specialized services instead of a one-size-fit-all police that do everything from helping domestic violence victims to arrest dangerous criminals. But I am not sure it would solve all the problems, nor that it would be practical in smaller communities.

These animal dads set a better example than our MGTOW friends.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/these-unappreciated-animal-dads-make-big-sacrifices-for-their-young?

There’s maybe also some advice for incels; or is this gorilla PUA tips?

Some evidence suggests that might be part of what makes the 400-pound apes so attractive to females in their group. “We think what’s going on is that females prefer the males who are nice to kids, and spend time with kids,”

@ VP

All the internet hugs to you. Loss is hard, and anniversaries/special days can be real tough.

Hang in there.

@Victorious Parasol:

Yeah; suddenly and utterly without warning, you’ll stumble headlong into a yawning dad-shaped hole.

@epitome of incomprehensibility:

As for Father’s Day! I feel a bit bad about not remembering.

That’s a perennial problem with all holidays and occasions that refuse to stay put on the calendar, unlike decent well-behaved ones like Hallowe’en, Christmas, Canada Day, Independence Day, and people’s birthdays. You can’t just memorize a date, let the blatantly obvious commercial spamming of the upcoming event jog your memory once it gets to a couple of weeks away (months in the case of Christmas), get a card, and make plans for Month the Someteenth. Instead, you’ll be vaguely aware that it’s coming up, but uncertain what date it actually is, and then at some point you decide to go look it up somewhere, and surprise! It was yesterday. Or worse, you decide to go shopping on what turns out to be the exact day and when you get there, surprise! The stores are all fucking closed in the middle of what would be their normal operating hours on any other Monday. Or you go to work and everything’s locked and darkened and there’s nobody there. Etc.

I’d wonder if it was all a conspiracy to sell reminder apps, except that it’s been this way since before the iPhone was a twinkle in Steve Jobs’s eye.

@.45:

Not complete elimination of the police (unfortunately we need armed people willing to go hands on and hunt the most dangerous game), but a reduction, and the addition of other services such as trained people to intervene in mental health crises, more EMTs, private investigators, that sort of thing, so the cops really only need concern themselves with the more violent offenders.

I’d be concerned that the “trained people to intervene in mental health crises” will end up given the power to have people committed, and this will inevitably get abused against the usual targets of oppression, and against “troublemakers” who give the wealthy and powerful sufficient sleepless nights, as a way to have people imprisoned indefinitely without trial. That could end with replacing the police with something even worse, since at least the police are limited to two options: summary execution, with an escalating risk of triggering widespread civil unrest, or the whole arraignment/trial/jury verdict route, habeas corpus rights, defense attorneys, and all.

Notably, they can’t remove a troublemaker without making a lot of noise. Either there’s a dead body on the spot, and likely eyewitnesses, or there’s an arrest record and other paperwork at a bare minimum. That it happened at all will quickly become public, and judicial review is very likely to occur at some point — always, if someone is arraigned.

Empower the cops or their replacements to quietly disappear people without trial and we’re immediately staring down the barrel of defacto dictatorship.

In theory, there’s a defense right now: don’t actually break the law, try to have an active enough social life to be alibied for every minute of every day, don’t arm yourself, and stay very still in the presence of police so there’s no way they can think (or just argue later) that you are drawing a weapon on them. Then — again in theory — they can’t shoot you, they can’t hold you for very long without arraignment, and you then get to have a lawyer and your day in court and if you didn’t break the law you should have a strong defense. In practice, they can still get you, at least with a good enough roll of the dice as it were, but you made it difficult for them, and impossible for them to do it without raising a public fuss.

Against widespread agents of the state with the power to commit people to asylums, there’s no defense whatsoever. They say you’re a danger to yourself and others and need to be confined, then they lock you up, and then they throw away the key. No trial, no defense, no lawyers, not even a guaranteed maximum sentence duration after which they have no choice but to let you go; no way out unless they decide of their own volition to release you some day. They hold all of the cards and don’t have to roll any kind of dice. There’s no contest that you can potentially win by some combination of ingenuity, luck, and not actually having done anything wrong, where if you do win they have to abide by the rules and let you go no matter their own preferences. All that will matter is the “prosecutor”‘s preferences, and the preferences of the government higher-ups and their wealthy shadowy backers who are holding the prosecutors’ leashes.

It’s an authoritarian’s dream and a maverick outcast’s nightmare. Someone can just knock on your door one day, for any or no discernible reason, who is holding the combined powers of cop, prosecutor, judge, jury, and jailer and feels like using them. After we’ve just spent centuries trying to separate out all of those powers into separate people in separate organizations with various (however flawed) oversight mechanisms precisely to mitigate the danger presented by having such a concentration of power in one individual, whose whims and potentially corrupt dealings would never be exposed to public scrutiny, let alone the withering glare of cross-examination at trial.

@Victorious Parasol – My condolences, and to everyone who’s grieving their fathers (or have ones who are/were neglectful or abusive).

@Full Metal Ox – That was it, thanks.

@Surplus – Yes, the moveable holidays are annoying! They should stay put! But when I said sorry & Happy Father’s Day today, he said he didn’t remember hinting at it last night.

He was very tired, having just spent half an hour on the phone with my brother who insisted on discussing the internal conflicts of Canada’s Green Party. With the poor man still feeling woozy from painkillers. I’m nicer to him; I just ramble on about linguistics. 😛

Happy 21:21 on the 21st day of the 21st week of the 21st year of the 21st Century!!!

@45: Oh, I agree it’s a great story, but it still feels like a phrase I don’t want to associate with law enforcement (or soldiers for that matter).

The more I learn about some other people’s fathers the more grateful I am for the one I had.

Both my husband and I had good relationships with good fathers, and it’s my sincere hope that one day both of our sons will feel the same way.

@ opposablethumbs

What is the name of the place?

Boscawen-Un. My favourite stone circle. Just love that place.