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Ingenious Red Pill Redditor comes up with a new way to be wrong about trans people

Do video games make you trans?

New, or just new to me? I don’t think I’ve seen this particular theory before. From the AskTheRedPill subreddit, which is pretty much always wrong about everything:

Are fat people who don't work out, and who have reduced testosterone levels as a consequence, more like to be trans / non-binary etc? (self.asktrp)

submitted 13 hours ago * by prankster999

Not sure if this is the sub for this... But I just found out about a YouTuber by the name of Jim Sterling who came out as non-binary a few months ago. The thing is... he's a gamer and is extremely overweight.

And it got me thinking... The gaming community contains a lot of people who are overweight... And it's also a community that contains a lot of people who identify as LBQT etc.

Is there any correlation between not working out, leading a sedentary lifestyle, being overweight, and wanting to identify as trans / non-binary etc?

Needless to say, the discussion inspired by this question is not really sparkling with wit and/or intelligence.

According to someone called RedLifts,

I think it’s a complex mixture of psychological issues caused by trauma, poor diet and pornography abuse but I have no evidence just self awareness and observation

MatingAdvice thought it was also because of

some agenda pushed by Big Gay and Big Transgender corporations to sell media, pharmaceuticals (hormones, etc) and other stuff.

Gotta watch out for Big Gay and Big Trans!

And speaking of self-awareness, and in this case an absolute lack of it, lieutenantdong had this brilliant thought:

Couldnt say but if i had to put a reason to it, its because they want it to be easier and be more accepted like people that arent men. (a lower burden of performance)

Apparently no one has an easier life than a trans woman!

Meanwhile, 11-Eleven-11 thinks he’s got it all figured out:

Its the lifestyle that makes him fat and warps his brain. He’s addicted to porn (probably the straw that breaks the camels back), video games, and sugary drinks and high carb foods. And he doesn’t do any physical activity so his test levels are extremely low. Mix all that in with low confidence in his appearence and probably loneliness then boom, you get a fat mentally ill trans larper.

Go LARP yourself, buster.

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KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
3 months ago

Jim is literally a pro wrestler.

epronovost
epronovost
3 months ago

Apparently, there is a correlation between weight and sexual minority status. It’s difficult to say why. Some have argued that stress could be a factor as would poverty and social isolation. Others, specifically for lesbians, have argued that differing beauty standards could play a role. I doubt there is a causal link between obesity and sexual minority status though.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3910028/

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
3 months ago

OT, but does anyone here know of a Firefox add-on or similar that allows ignoring or overriding the “cache-control” header on a web page?

MEA
MEA
3 months ago

@KindaSortaHarmless
I was about to say the same thing. JSS is an active member of RYSE and I think at least one other wrestling association and I think she’s streaming her next match with special permission.

I’ve watched James transition over the past months and she seems not only so much happier but healthier-looking and overall just in a better place mentally. (Plus I gotta admit, that red hair looks amazing on her)

.45
.45
3 months ago

I believe one of the first recorded mention of a sex change operation, AKA a trans person, was written in ancient Rome. Big Pharma has clearly has been at this awhile.

Battering Lamb
Battering Lamb
3 months ago

Let’s see:
I am a gamer, so check. But given I like things like diversity and practical designs for female characters, not a real one by their metrics.
Addicted to porn? Hardly. Most of it grosses me out, to be honest. Dysphoria is a bit of a mood-killer, you see.
Sugary drinks? Occasionally when ordering takeout. Estimate would be 0.5 liters per two weeks. Otherwise my drinking habits consist of tea and water.
Sedentary lifestyle? My job involves a lot of walking and I work out pretty intensively 3 times a week. Not a model by any means, but the results have been commented upon by people I didn’t really know (my work involves giving tours to people).
I did start substituting milk with soy milk a few years back, so that must be it according to hacks like Paul Joseph Watson. The disphoria predates that by a significant margin, but when has that mattered to these people.

So, my take on a significant number of gamers being trans (assuming that is true) would have something to do with escapism (I know I needed it), and the person making that claim primarily paying attention to people in his in-group. Presumably gamers.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
3 months ago

so his test levels are extremely low

Been there, done that. But it’s always been my own fault: I didn’t study.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
3 months ago

@.45

I believe one of the first recorded mention of a sex change operation, AKA a trans person, was written in ancient Rome.

Say what? Do you have a source? I don’t see how it’s possible without antibiotics or, you know, modern surgical techniques. Even googling, all I can find is something from 1776 which is debatably a sex change surgery (no mentioned consent or desire from the patient, a child of 8, so I dunno that it would count as a trans operation and not something more like intersex children being forced one way or another).

MV96
MV96
3 months ago

@Big Titty Demon
Come oooon! 😉 That isn’t even mutilation because rigid vulvagina-penisticles binary is above children’s right to consent to anything that happens to their bodies! Trans adults paying for their GRS out of their own pockets totally mutilashion tho!
…That was sarcasm.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 months ago

@BTD : humans know how to remove male gentials somewhat safely since… a lot of time (ancient china at least I think ?)

Emasculation certainly isn’t the ideal sex change surgery but feel like it can be an improvement already, so maybe it’s that.

That being said, legally trans persons date at least from before Jesus Christ, even without surgery.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 months ago

Also, the idea that Jim Sterling is “extremely overweight” seem fishy to me. I didn’t check his weight because I am not a creep but the first thing I think when looking at him certainly isn’t his weight.

Amusingly, given his volume, if he is “extremely” overweight, it would mean he is basically a strongarm, made entirely of muscle.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
3 months ago

@Ohlmann

Emasculation certainly isn’t the ideal sex change surgery but feel like it can be an improvement already, so maybe it’s that.

That being said, legally trans persons date at least from before Jesus Christ, even without surgery.

I have a lot of problems with your description of “emasculation” as a sex change surgery, especially given its forced and non-consensual nature in most of history.

I am aware of third and fourth genders in various cultures BCE with legal status (not any Western ones, but could be a knowledge gap), but .45 was specifically mentioning a sex change operation in Ancient Rome.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
3 months ago

Elagabalus is who you’re searching for. Emperor/Empress around 200 AD.

.45
.45
3 months ago

Yep, Threp got it. I read about it years ago in a book titled Ancient Inventions: https://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Inventions-Thorpe-published-Ballantine/dp/B00EKYQFJ2/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=ancient+inventions+peter+james&qid=1623430464&sr=8-3

“- and outspoken desire to be treated as a woman. Two contemporary Roman historians say he requested doctors to create a vagina for him surgically. Unfortunately neither account gives more detail. Was the operation ever carried out? It seems unlikely, though the anecdote does show that the concept of sex change by surgical means is not a twentieth-century invention, but one that goes back nearly two thousand years.”

So, I may have remembered wrong and implied more than actually happened, but this trans thing ain’t exactly a new fangled idea.

Also, the previous page actually references female eunuchs in the service of the King of Lydia, who had their ovaries removed B.C. I would hazard a guess that that was presemably against their will and rather dangerous in pre antibiotic times, but unless the book or sources are wrong, it was done.

And then there are cults who castrated themselves at festivals, Chinese sewing bells into whatever down there, and eunuchs coming out everyone’s ears. To quote that Jack Black and Michael Cera caveman comedy: “What’s with all the genital mutilation around here?”

Last edited 3 months ago by .45
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
3 months ago

Blame Sister Bianca, my 2nd year teacher. Had a bit of a bee in her bonnet about the Roman Empire. 😛

Took a look at this Jim/Stephanie Sterling (seen both names, but no clearly stated preference), as I tend to ignore youtube babblers normally. Not exactly fat but they certainly didn’t train down, so they’ve got the whole “muscle sagging and fat overlay” thing that happens to any physical person that doesn’t wind things down carefully.

Prago
Prago
3 months ago

@Ohlmann
JSS goes by they/them.

Dalillama
3 months ago

@Threp
Until quite recently, that was the standard image of a very strong person. Big and beefy with a layer of fat overtop of hard muscle. The bodybuilder look is the result of very specific training regimens that ignore useful muscle in favor of aesthetics, plus intermittent starvation.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
3 months ago

@Threp, .45

Thanks for the information! And yeah, I think very strict gender binaries are newer more than older.

Also, the previous page actually references female eunuchs in the service of the King of Lydia, who had their ovaries removed B.C. I would hazard a guess that that was presemably against their will and rather dangerous in pre antibiotic times, but unless the book or sources are wrong, it was done.

That seems counter to what I know of ancient anatomical models, but totally survivable: contrary to popular myth, the first woman to survive surgery for ovarian tumors was not a white woman, but rather multiple enslaved black women who were experimented on first by the doctor in question. About half of them lived. Although not as long ago, it was still before the time of antibiotics and reliable germ theory, and I would hazard that enslaved “in service to the King” can’t be worse than “field slave in America.” Or maybe it could. I don’t know. I’m glad I’m not enslaved.

And then there are cults who castrated themselves at festivals, Chinese sewing bells into whatever down there, and eunuchs coming out everyone’s ears. To quote that Jack Black and Michael Cera caveman comedy: “What’s with all the genital mutilation around here?”

Yeah… are you saying that sex change surgery is genital mutilation? If so… uh, hello, what are you doing? If I’m misreading this (I hope I am, since you seemed reasonable and this is out of character?), I’m still not comfortable saying that cults, well-known to not be 100% consent-respecting organizations, or eunuchs, very often a forced operation, are the same as sex change surgery.

Moggie
Moggie
3 months ago

Meanwhile, here on Terf Island, support for trans rights appears to be higher than you might guess from the media:

https://novaramedia.com/2021/06/08/terfs-dont-speak-for-women-but-dont-take-it-from-me-look-at-the-polls/

Seth S
Seth S
3 months ago

Man, the theories these people come up with to justify their bigotry (and also completely ignore the existence of trans people who aren’t trans women/AMAB moving to or including a more feminine gender in their identity, which I’m getting Really Tired of)…

I mean, I guess if you want to equate having estrogen in any amount to being devious/deviant/Whatever Bad Stereotype generally, then maybe the theory is at least internally consistent with the fact these Redpill clods are misogynists as well, though the whole narrative is still total bullshit. If obesity really were causative of transness… more than 2/3 of Americans are overweight or obese IIRC (and that proportion is probably not much different among the trans people I know, including myself), but there’s nowhere near 2/3 of all Americans that are trans (wasn’t it 1%? 2% tops?). You don’t have to be trans to like eating more food than is good for you or not exercise enough, which are MY problem particularly but are probably not unique to me.

Last edited 3 months ago by Seth S
Viscaria
Viscaria
3 months ago

@Threp (and everyone, really)

Took a look at this Jim/Stephanie Sterling (seen both names, but no clearly stated preference)

Just in case it’s helpful, I wanted to post a link to this tweet of theirs clarifying how they use their name/nicknames.

https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/1355989748846907401?s=19

My name is James Stephanie Sterling, but Jim Sterling remains the “brand” name. Jim, James, James Stephanie, Stephanie, Steph.

Take your pick!

Edit: I’m not trying to imply you said the wrong thing or anything. I just thought it might be useful for people!

Last edited 3 months ago by Viscaria
Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
3 months ago

Jim Sterling remains the “brand” name

That’s fair enough. I mean, one of the long most common reasons for women to not change their names on marriage was because they were already famous or known under their names and didn’t want to lose that branding. Especially in acting and writing.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 months ago

Thanks for the przcision for pronoun. Sadly, I try to be sensituve to that but very often fail, and I didn’t thought of checking.

@BTD : basicaly, in my opinion, it come down to intention. If someone do that voluntarily, it’s not mutilation.

.45
.45
3 months ago

@ Big Titty Demon

Sorry, it was an off handed quote, not intended to embody my viewpoint on these matters. For what it’s worth, I’m more or less with Ohlmann on this. I.E. It is mutilation if it was without consent or coerced. As you mentioned, cults and eunuchs have not exactly been a hotbed of safewords and good faith throughout history, ergo mutilation in my mind.

Hmmmmm… Now I have to look up the official meaning of “Mutilation”. Perhaps there is an argument that regardless of intent, any damage would be considered mutilation, but given that the term carries a negative connotation, that seems like fighting over semantics just to be an asshole. Plenty of that going around, I don’t need to help.

Last edited 3 months ago by .45
GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
3 months ago

Yeah, let’s see photos, fat percentage, and pr0n usage of all these bozos. Projection much, boys?

Also their eye charts, if they can’t tell gamer fat from wrestler build. I have looked at photos of Jim, and suspect they could body slam all of the RedPill sub. All their fat seems to be over a core of muscle.

@.45: and don’t forget 200 years before that, Nero’s “wife” Sporus, though that was probably “only” castration.

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
3 months ago

And speaking of ancient Rome, gladiators had a solid core of muscle and a protective fat layer over that. Get stabbed in a muscle, you lose some of your fighting ability. Get stabbed in an organ and it’s lights out. Get stabbed in your layer of fat and you can keep going.

They also mostly ate beans.

Alan Robertshaw
3 months ago

@ gss ex noob

Get stabbed in your layer of fat and you can keep going.

They put on the layer specifically to get stabbed. It was all part of the show.

A lot of the tropes we associate with gladiatorial combat were more relevant to the executions of criminals and prisoners of war.

Now of course, gladiators could and did get killed in the arena. But that was far from being the standard outcome. The top gladiators were expensive to train; and they developed fan followings. So long as the loser put up a good fight; then the crowd were very likely to ‘vote’ that they should be spared (a lot of the time that vote was about as influential on the outcome as the the public vote in a TV talent show is today).

So fighting on heroically whilst gushing blood went down well. But of course no gladiator actually wanted wounds reaching their muscles or major blood vessels. So a bit of padding and a few superficial cuts did the trick.

A top gladiator might only fight a few times a year and retire after a few seasons. Although (most were) technically slaves; many of them saved up quite a packet. And of course; they earned a lot of money from endorsements.

They also mostly ate beans

Another term for gladiators was hordearii; meaning barley-men. Because of the veggie diet.

Last edited 3 months ago by Alan Robertshaw
Allandrel
Allandrel
3 months ago

The more I learn about ancient Roman gladiators, the more they sound like pro wrestlers.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
3 months ago

Off topic, but has everyone seen this?

https://www.complex.com/life/virginia-teen-donates-last-child-support-payment-shelter-dad-dumps-pennies-lawn

Relevant to the MRA mocking roots of this blog. Dude salty about having to pay child support makes his final payment by dumping a shit ton of pennies on the front lawn right in front of his daughter.

Predictably, dudes are jumping to his defense by saying maybe the ex and kids had it coming because and we shouldn’t judge him for being frustrated, blah blah blah.

Dalillama
3 months ago

@Allandrel
Closer to boxing or MMA in that the gladiatorial kayfabe didn’t extend to scripted storylines with predetermined winners. Other than that, the main difference is that modern prizefighters aren’t allowed edged weapons.

Alan Robertshaw
3 months ago

One of the weirdest things about gladiators is that they were sort of unionised. They had collegia. These were effectively mutual societies; with official senatorial recognition.

But as to their superstar status…

“He (Tiberius) gave a gladiatorial show in memory of his father, and a second in honor of his grandfather Drusus, at different times and in different places, the former in the Forum and the latter in the amphitheatre, inducing some retired gladiators to appear with the rest by the payment of a hundred thousand sesterces to each.” ~ Suetonius

A Roman legionary was paid 900 sesterces a year. (Contrary to popular belief, they probably weren’t paid in salt. Pliny said that’s what happened in the ‘olden times’ but there’s no other evidence for that. But there’s plenty of historical accounts of soldiers mutinying when the cash was delayed)

Alan Robertshaw
3 months ago

@ dali

Gladiatorial contests had referees (often two) called summa rudis. They were usually retired gladiators themselves. They could do the usual ref stuff. Tell the fighters when to break, order time outs etc. But they were also known to give instructions to gladiators to pad things out a bit to ensure the bout ran to time.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
3 months ago

@Ohlmann, .45

Great! Same page then. 🙂

@Alan

Another term for gladiators was hordearii; meaning barley-men. Because of the veggie diet.

We’ve found the original soy-boys.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
3 months ago

Re: hordearii

I have this vague understanding that barley and beans based diet would have been standard for poor people, whereas anyone with even modest means would prefer wheat over barley (and probably dairy/fish/meat over beans). So perhaps gladiators were specially known as “barley eaters” for performing a relatively ascetic lifestyle compared to their means – one might say a wealthy man’s version of poor people cuisine? Same would go for the not eating meat thing.

danielrigal
danielrigal
3 months ago

Thank god for James Stephanie Sterling, doing the lord’s work by raising the blood pressure of online dipshits.

Bakunin
Bakunin
3 months ago

Being overweight makes you trans?
I mean my sergeants in the Army were desperate to get me heavier cause I was underweight, but sure

Xennial Dot Warner
Xennial Dot Warner
3 months ago

J. Stephanie Sterling is fat or at least hefty. They are also nonbinary. It remains that plenty of very fat binary people and very skinny nonbinary people alike exist; therefore, “prankster999” is so far up his own ass that he can see his teeth from behind.

And do these clowns ever consider that people who are already “othered” may just be somewhat less inclined to be judgmental?

Last edited 3 months ago by Xennial Dot Warner
Ted
Ted
3 months ago

So what I’m hearing is all incels are or will become trans? …fascinating.

Ted
Ted
3 months ago

@GSS ex-noob perhaps that was even what was believed at the time, but the reality is that it’s easier to build muscle when you have a caloric surplus. That’s why you don’t see bodybuilders bodies on anyone but bodybuilders.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 months ago

@ted : there can be several explanation for a single thing.

You need fat for endurance, and gladiators probably need quite a bit of endurance. That don’t preclude that building muscles is easier on surplus caloire. That still don’t preclude that being slightly fat can make bruises less lethal or easier to heal or both.

Also, notably body builders look like body builders because they are dehydrated, not just because they don’t have much fat.

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
3 months ago

I see someone already mentioned that the only thing James Stephanie Sterling is known for, besides the video game commentary, is that she’s a pro wrestler.

Miss Pearl
3 months ago

The confusing part is that JSS is happily married and poly, with what appears to be one child in residence (for at least some point). Like, they want to project this idea that the critic is every lonely sad boy stereotype ever onto them.

They don’t seem to understand they play a character. I wonder if the costume bits confuse them?

Also I want to see a cross over with Lady Foppington from Contrapoints and Lord Hardcore

mouse sparrow
mouse sparrow
3 months ago

@Prago
So why are you singling out Ohlmann when MEA and BlackBloc are also misgendering them?

You said they use they/them, but those two are calling them her.

@Ted
No, no you are not.