It’s fair to say that Men Going Their Own Way are somewhat critical when it comes to women’s behavior. A case in point can be found in a recent posting on the MGTOW subreddit from a guy who was evidently quite furious that a woman on a date with him asked him what he did for a living.
Because in MGTOW-land, that’s not a normal thing to ask someone on a date — it’s a declaration that all she wants from you is your money. (LOL.)
Some of the commenters offered their suggestions as to what the OP could have said back to this allegedly money hungry lady.
So I’m going to present you with a little quiz. Some of the answers below are real things that MGTOW Redditors suggested as a response. At least one of the answers is one I made up. Can you tell the real from the fake?
FUN AS HELL MGTOW DATE QUIZ
A date asks you what you do for a living. Which of the following answer(s) were suggested by MGTOW Redditors, and which were just made up?
T/F “A job that gives me money for what I do, not for who I am.”
T/F “Show me some nudes so I’ll know what I’m getting for my money.”
T/F “I don’t answer questions from women. Blanket ignore.”
T/F “I work. How much do you weigh?”
T/F “Do you spit or swallow? If we’re going to cut out the bullshit, we should do it both ways.”
T/F You should have asked her the same question to see if she said professional hoe.
T/F I’ve had people ask me that before they even knew my name! The correct response is “Goodbye”.
T/F Women are not known for their honesty and truthfulness … They will never come out with how many cocks they have ridden, so why even engage?
ANSWER KEY:
The second question is made up. The rest of the quotes are verbatim from the MGTOW subreddit.
As is this lovely piece of advice:
From then on you know that it is a business arrangement discussed. Just calculate wether it makes economic sense to rent her for a few years or not. Since she is obviously not interested in you at all, i would make it clear that this is money for (young) hole.
You would, huh? I will eat my cats if you’ve ever said that or anything close to that to a woman on a date in real life. You just wish you could.
Only one commenter (out of several dozen) noted that “what do you do for a living” is pretty standard date stuff, which makes me wonder if any of these MGTOWs (aside from this one guy) have ever been on a date with anything that’s not inflatable.
Oh, one more thing, I lied about the whole “win a date” thing. I trust that none of you are disappointed, and I hope that none of you have ever accidentally gotten stuck on a date with one of these guys..
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[Man’splain]
Well, you gotta remember the individual manosphere types like to mix and match from different philosophies and make up their own little worlds. The only common factors are that they view women as somehow defective or inferior, and there is no need for these imaginary worlds to match up with the real one or even be logically consistent within themselves. So, MGTOWs, Redpillers, Incels, etc, all tend to have overlapping viewpoints, and any one of them may identify as X, Y, and/or Z regardless of actual philosophy.
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@ .45
Ah. Thank you.
Night time, Serena was beautiful but so cold; he began to slip the chain of his crucifix from beneath his collar… sorry everyone, couldn’t resist.
PoM,
Where I live that usually means “who are we likely to know in common”; with a couple of exceptions, our high schools all have roughly the same cross-section of class, race, etc. But I can see how in some places it would be a loaded question.
@Bookworm in hijab : I might be misreading what you say, but there’s high school (college and especially lycée) for elite in France, and there is a ton of gaming the system and trick about that.
I should know. As an apparently above average intelligence white people, the system worked correctly to throw me toward them, and the % of dark skinned people dropped rather fast with years.
Compared to the USA, I suspect it’s much more about non-white not knowing the tricks (like taking russian first foreign language because the “good” lycee have a russian teacher), and the definition of “elite” seem at least somewhat larger (AKA more “white and middle class” than “white and very rich”)
(twas in the Jura, so a relatively sparsely populated region, but I don’t think it’s any less prevalent in Paris)
@ Ohlmann,
I’m in a pretty rural area and our schools draw from the catchment areas of who-lives-closest. No equivalent to lycees, etc. So yes, to a certain degree where I am you can guess at social class based on which high school, but overall our population is pretty homogeneous from one end of our school board to the other. I can think of one “rich kid school” and one “considered to be fairly rough” school, but otherwise not TOO many differences.
Except in sports prowess. That rivalry is fierce.
Aaa! I’m late! Must run!
@Bookworm in hijab
I live in my state’s major metropolitan area and our school system is very diverse. We have busing, to try to make each school more diverse than it would be with neighborhood schooling, but nevertheless the variety of schools is wide. We have a Catholic private school system, magnet schools, traditional schools, and regular schools. And of the regular schools, some are “better” than others, meaning better funded, with more facilities, and more experienced teachers and a less poor student body. Our city is highly segregated, with some areas being up to 90% black, and other areas being up to 100% white. So there is a lot of social information conveyed by which high school a given person was able to attend.
It’s exciting even to think about meeting and talking to someone new. I’ve only been with one new person in person in the past 12 months, and I already knew almost exactly what he did and where he worked because he works with my partner. And I had met him before once or twice. Even so, I’m sure I still asked about his particular field that’s slightly different than my partner’s. It’s probably a good thing I had an undergraduate degree in the area that they work in, because I needed one just to follow their small talk. 🙂
@nicholas
I’m sorry to hear that. The small talk question about work must be really annoying then.
@policy of madness
After talking to my husband about his school experience I’m glad I attended public school in my itty bitty town even though I hated it. He attended Catholic school and apparently nuns and priest still did put their their hands on kids. He had a pretty good memory from elementary age where he was being a little smart ass and a priest grabbed him by his hair and lead him down the hallway.
@Ohlmann
Just in case I’m missing a joke here: can anyone tell people’s weight just by looking at them? Not just the probable ballpark, but accurately? It seems like a bit of a useless skill outside of very specific circumstances.
Other than that, asking someone their BMI to know whether to fatshame or not seems legit.
@Masse_Mysteria
My husband can, he’s a tailor. It’s mostly a parlor trick, since most passersby aren’t coming to him for a bodysuit.
PoM, in our region it’s more “at your high school, which language classes/maths classes/ extracurriculars did you participate in?” A school might draw from an area with both wealthy and poor populations, so knowing someone’s school itself wouldn’t give that info, but “academic” versus “regular” versus “easier” classes are (wrongly, unfairly, and often harmfully) assumed to be associated with social class.
It’s so hateful the way wealth and/or level of education (or the lack thereof) is used as a reason to sneeringly write people off.
Where I grew up “Where did you go to school?” was *absolutely* a class signifier. Allowing for changing times, of course; the lily-white high school X my older brother went to was largely Black by the time I was in high school. Once after a multi-school event, one of the moms was driving several of us home, and a Black girl from X said her house was “just off ABC Street”. And we all knew what side of ABC Street she lived on. The side with cheaper houses and a less-equipped school.
Meanwhile, I went to Y, which meant mostly-white and some PoC and it was a very good school, but not so much as neighboring school Z, which signified your parents were rich to filthy rich, white, and you probably got a very nice car for your 16th birthday and went on to become today’s 1% and heaven forbid there be any apartment buildings (clutch pearls). The PoC were “the help” and didn’t live there
5-10 years after I graduated from Y, it had become majority PoC too. Z is STILL filthy rich, but a bit more Asian.
@rabid rabbit: #1 probably means it’s a very crappy job with no customer-facing portion.
@Nicholas Kindle: me too, but since I’m married I can always cop out with “I’m a housewife”. Not a very good one, mind you. 🙂
GSS ex-noob, that’s been the sense I get from schools in an area of high-population density; I wonder if that accounts for the difference? Ours draw from such big areas to get enough students; we get a variety of income levels. So your school might be in the centre of Town ABC, and draws from both the wealthy and poor sides of Town ABC as well as the surrounding countryside.
Btw, that’s just our rural school board; in our closest city (different Board) it’s definitely the same “which school you go to correlates with class, race, etc”, though I say that from hearing stories rather than personal experience.
School reform to eliminate these biases and biased funding: it is needed! No kids should be disadvantaged by their schools.
@Masse_mysteria : depend on the degree of accuracy.
To take an actual example, most people are able to ballpark my weight with an accuracy of about 5kgs. But some people are very very bad at it, and tend to see me as weighting like 15 or 20 less than I do. They also often change their opinion of me immediatly.
(to give an idea, at 15 kgs less than my current weight doctors would start to get concerned)
More rarely, I have seen people concerned about me being underfeed just because they see my ribcage. Apparently it’s unusual, but not problematic, I just store fat elsewhere and isn’t terribly toned.
@ Ohlmann,
I assume you mean when they find you’re heavier than they thought, they judge you? That’s awful! I’m sorry you have to deal with that.
@ Dalilama
Oh, cool. I guess that comes from practice, then? I was mostly thinking that it could be a useful skill for people who regularly have to lift other people or some such.
@ Ohlmann
Thanks for the additional info. I’m curious because I’d have a hard time eyeballing anyone’s height, let alone weight, so this is of interest, but sorry to hear about people trying to guess your weight to judge you. That’s never happened to me, and I can’t even imagine.
That said, I also have visible ribs, and no medical person has even seemed to think it (in itself was) unusual in the least, that’s just how some people are.
I’ve seen the suggestion that “how do you spend your time?” is a bit less loaded than “what do you do for a living?” since the wording allows for a reply about work OR hobbies.
I’ve come to the conclusion that most people have no idea what any weight, as described in numbers, looks like. For one thing because it can look completely different depending on height, build, muscle-to-fat ratio, how the person is dressed, etc.
Moon Custafer, I live in the capitalist U.S. of 2021 and know multiple people who have burnt out from school and work.
More to the point, no one should be forcing another person to walk on eggshells – indeed, eggshells that require *literal mind-reading.*
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