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White ladies! Don’t mess up your chance of becoming a TradWife by wantonly offering your precious body to men, founder of WhiteDate.net warns

WhiteDate.net, a dating site for the melanin-deprived, is apparently suffering from a serious woman shortage — with only one gross racist woman for every dozen gross racist men.

But Liv Heide, the site founder, warns white women that even such a lopsided ratio doesn’t mean that the women on the site can easily snag themselves high-quality TradHusbands.

“But, white ladies, don’t be overconfident,” Heide writes in a post on American Renaissance.

White trad wives are the most desired creatures on the planet, but many white women still manage to blow it because they have never been told the rules that were invented by our female ancestors to protect their daughters.

So what are these important rules? Basically, the aspiring TradWife needs to look, dress and act a bit like a current-day Stepford wife. As Heide puts it,

She dresses and behaves in a feminine way and is pleasant to people around her. Long, hair, modest but chic clothing, and a lovely smile are always assets. She encourages a man to make further moves without overloading him with information; she would rather let him find out step by step.

So definitely do not tear off your top and thrust your breasts in your date’s face while crying out “boobie time!” That’s way too much information for a man to process all at once.

A women who isn’t a wanton slut knows she needs to let men make the first move — and the second, and pretty much all of the rest of the moves.

The white woman should be reactive, which is the opposite of the sexually aggressive, dominant, promiscuous, vulgar, emotionally empty woman that modern media have taught us to be.

And whatever you do, don’t offer your precious body to anyone, no matter how white they are.

A wise woman does not pressure a man. She would not take the initiative to suggest a date, ask for his number, call, or offer her precious body. She makes herself elusive but is sweet and smiling.

So again, body-offering is right out. Don’t even think of it.

But if you’re able to pull off a decent enough imitation of a Stepford Wife, you’ll be in like Flynn, able to

bewitch a man so that he does not even know why he feels so attracted and sees this lady as the mother of his children rather than a fling.

So asking for a guy’s number is simply not done. Using feminine wiles to turn a man into a helpless slave, a-ok!

Oh, and don’t expect men to live up to your standards. They’re men, after all.

Men appreciate women with standards and values they want transmitted to their children even if they themselves are not 100 percent up to these standards. Women set the bar.

Well, get to work, white ladies, the future of your race hangs in the balance!

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Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
3 years ago

My own personal rule is that if a setting has wizards whose magic spells actually work, ghosts and other supernatural phenomena that really exist, and freaking dragons, to say nothing of if it’s not set in what is supposed to be the actual past of our own Earth, then I won’t begrudge it having widely cultivated potatoes before the invention or importation of gunpowder.

Besides which, LOTR had gunpowder, though not in widespread use. Saruman had one of his orc minions blow a chunk out of the Helms Deep wall with some.

rusalka
rusalka
3 years ago

Ok quick question: Is it common knowledge in the US that this whole tradwife thing is a white supremacy brainchild? Because over here that whole #tradwife thing had been apparently trending a while ago (I boycott social media as much as possible, so I only caught up on that from the sidelines) and some media picked that shit up like “Oh look at these modern blogger mommies wanting to be traditional again, is this The NEw FeMiNiSM?” and supposedly some of these mommy influencers had no idea what that whole thing was really about – which I think is either very naive or an outright lie.

@ sunnysombrera: Oh but she did say everything she needed to about those men pressuring women with “Men appreciate women with standards and values they want transmitted to their children even if they themselves are not 100 percent up to these standards. Women set the bar.” That’s it. There’s basically nothing future trad wifes are supposed to expect of their future husbands but bend over backwards to make em like you. I would laugh and say how they certainly got themselves a sweet deal there. But something tells me the women who actually end up on this dating site (as well as the author herself) are probably far less devoted to all those self imposed rules in real life than they wanna make belief… that Judgy Bitch lady is a prime example…

Contrapangloss
Contrapangloss
3 years ago

Rusalka,

Based on the folks I’ve encountered, not all tradwife folks are nazis. Tradwife stuff is also prevalent in the evangelical, Mormon, and a few other circles.

Like, at a base level “tradwife” stuff isn’t terrible. Some women really do want to be mothers and home-makers. Some women are excellent at those things, and they feel happy and fulfilled.

The problem is that certain communities try to shove tradwife stuff down people’s throats as a “this is what real women do and your feminism is not feminine.”

And in those communities, the “policing” of improperly feminine behavior often comes from other women. And it sucks. Because if you can’t be happy doing the tradwife stuff, they make you feel like something about you is broken, and that something is intrinsically wrong with you if you can’t adequately perform appropriately feminine things, or if you don’t have the whole overflowing with fulfillment and womanly power thing that they describe as a fundamental womanly experience.

Internalized misogyny is a nasty pill.

So… I treat people who proselytize the tradwife lifestyle as the only good lifestyle as highly suspicious.

People who just are excited to tell you about the things they baked or how awesome their kids are? They’re cool.

Edited to add: To be clear, not defending this group. A dating site recruiting tradwifes and who’s primary lure is “we’re all white here” is totally a bigoted site full of bigots, and I’d never recommend taking lifestyle advice from them.

Also, I think people who proudly use Tradwife are highly sus. That label seems most popular in sketchy circles, and women who have very tradwife lifestyles but aren’t terrible in other ways seem less likely to have stumbled across that particular shortening of “traditional wife”? Not sure.

Last edited 3 years ago by Contrapangloss
MLBlue
MLBlue
3 years ago

This sounds hopelessly lame, we would have made fun of these people for being hopelessly out of touch decades ago, yet somehow its cool now to have the same values as old dudes and conservatives from the 50s cause a whole generation of men on the internet are angry that they arent getting laid? This is gonna be so much worse than the Boomers.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
3 years ago

This crap sounds like the misogynistic nonsense my father told me when I was a child, on how a woman should behave. I got a touch of the same shit from my mother, too.

“You’re a delicate young girl, you shouldn’t *insert activity here*”

They were born in 1939 and 1940 respectively, so maybe they should be forgiven. They were also Catholic school victims, during the 1950s.

It’s probably why I’m outwardly affable and agreeable, to a fault, always masking my true feelings. Always, always, putting others first. People-pleasing.

I’m so happy to see that people have begun to raise their girls to be more assertive.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
3 years ago

Ok quick question: Is it common knowledge in the US that this whole tradwife thing is a white supremacy brainchild?

Remember it from the late 70s – it were more an unholy combination of various forms of isolationist religion and the whole self sufficiency movement rather than white supremacy back then.
So, much like every other talking point the alt Reich have – they’ve jacked it from places that’d be horrified by them.

Last edited 3 years ago by Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Dalillama
Dalillama
3 years ago

@Threp
Nah, those lot were white supremacists too, they just kept the quiet part quiet.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

@Surplus : the thing is that, to take LotR as an example, the author thought about what the existence of gods and magic do and how it change society, but they did not do the same for the just as far reaching difference introduced by different diets and culture.

European medieval society was based around wheat and it show, with a ton of consequence in language and in the campaign. Like the development of mills and the organisation of villages around access to mills. Meanwhile, in Asia, it was based around rice, leading to other consequences and organisation. How important the difference is ? Very hard to say without a time machine or unethical experiment, but it seem to be pretty big.

You can also sum up otherwise : in LotR perhaps one thousand people have seen magic ; but millions have eaten wheat, potatoes, or both. A small change to million can be more impactful than a big change to thousand(s).

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
3 years ago

My own personal rule is that if a setting has wizards whose magic spells actually work, ghosts and other supernatural phenomena that really exist, and freaking dragons, to say nothing of if it’s not set in what is supposed to be the actual past of our own Earth, then I won’t begrudge it having widely cultivated potatoes before the invention or importation of gunpowder.

Besides which, LOTR had gunpowder, though not in widespread use. Saruman had one of his orc minions blow a chunk out of the Helms Deep wall with some.

IIRC, in the parody novel “Bored of The Rings” the Ent-equivalent army had potato guns and other ballistic vegetables.

Last edited 3 years ago by Lumipuna
GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
3 years ago

@FM Ox: yes, in the movie when Sam’s going on about taters, I’m thinking “of course Gollum doesn’t know what they are, they’re on the wrong side of the globe.” And I immediately stopped reading a book set in either ancient Rome or Greece in which the author had boasted about their historical accuracy and then had tomatoes on page 10.

A lot of men would find the top-off “boobie time!” gambit to be just the amount of information they’d require. Be too subtle and they don’t get it. Men with little emotional intelligence. Like… these guys.

@Contrapangloss: d’you suppose that tradwife expectations in Mormons have anything to do with the fact that Utah has the highest anti-depressant use in the US? Naaah.

Contrapangloss
Contrapangloss
3 years ago

@GSS ex-noob:

I wouldn’t be surprised? I’ve never been to Utah, but college round 1 was in a town with a relatively high proportion of Mormons. Also the most liberal town in the state, because that’s somehow how that worked.

My Mormon friends (lapsed and current) have a lot of stuff they’re working through, because there’s some pretty harmful stuff.

Also some really good stuff, which is why it can be so hard for folks to recognize the bad stuff, and the lapsed folks had a really rough time because rejecting the stuff that was harming them also felt like rejecting the things and people they had clung to for comfort.

I’m not Mormon, so I don’t really want to get any deeper than that here.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Don’t most dating sites for straight people suffer from a huge imbalance between the numbers of male and female users? Remember the Ashley Madison hack? AM claimed that they had 37 million customers, of whom 5.5 million were women (so they already admitted to being a huge sausage-fest), but an analysis of the stolen data suggested that all but a few thousand of those “women” were actually test or bait accounts created by the company.

I bet WhiteDate is similar. For every real Eva Braun wannabe on the site, there are probably hundreds of virtual ones.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
3 years ago

OK, I am nearing the end of my rope with this “can’t usually scroll down the conversation list on the messenger page at Facebook” thing. I don’t even know of a way to get to the second screenful of names in bounded time. And that is goddamn ridiculous.

How.
Do.
I.
Force.
Facebook.
To.
Fix.
This.
Immediately?

epitome of incomrepehensibility

@Surplus –

Their 1930s counterparts expressed the same in just three words: “Kinder, kuche, kirche”. :/

You made me laugh, but then I got to thinking, “Oh, but the words should be capitalized and the one for kitchen takes an umlaut (like this, Küche).”

So I’m a grammar something…but not a nazi, I hope. Fuck Nazis, and not in a sexual way!

Anyway, I’m in 2nd term German and I still make the stupidest mistakes. Like not just with adjective endings and stuff, but also spelling. I wrote “ein” as “ide” once on an assignment and didn’t catch it when I was proofreading.

Dalillama
Dalillama
3 years ago

@GSS ex-noob
They called Valium “Mother’s little helper” for a reason.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

How. Do. I. Force. Facebook. To. Fix. This. Immediately?

You.
Don’t.

Facebook is a huge corporation and you are not important enough to them as a “customer” for them to be concerned about your inconveniences. I put “customer” in scare quotes because, like any other company that provides you with something without charge, you are not their customer at all, but the product they serve to their actual customers, the advertisers. You don’t matter to Facebook.

Last edited 3 years ago by Policy of Madness
epitome of incomrepehensibility

@Surplus – I try to avoid Facebook as much as possible, although I have an account for volunteer stuff and catching up with people.

I don’t understand the thing, I don’t like it much, and I often don’t like or understand the ways people interact on it.

Unfortunately, PoM is right.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
3 years ago

OK, let me rephrase it then.

How do I scroll past that first screenful of names in bounded time? This latest time it took me over half an hour. The method I currently use seems to be basically random, with a low percent chance of succeeding on any given attempt, and independent to boot. So there’s no way to make progress. It could take one attempt or it could take 10,000. There is no guarantee the next time won’t take me so long I die of dehydration during the attempt because it ends up taking over three days instead of 10 seconds.

So how do I get to the 2nd screenful of names in, say, a maximum of 120 seconds? Or even any fixed amount of time? Either by technical means (pushing the right buttons in the right order) or by social means (getting someone at Facebook to fix it, or something of that general sort)? I’m tired of trying to figure out what the trick is to making this work. Moreover, I don’t want to spend hours tinkering with it puzzling it out. I just want it to work, so I can catch up on messages and then move on to the other things that I actually want to do. So I just want the answer. A cheat-sheet. Whatever. Please give me that cheat-sheet.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

@Surplus

I don’t have a cheat-sheet for you. I don’t experience this problem. The contacts list on Facebook scrolls fine for me just by mousing over to the list and using the scroll wheel. The Messenger drop-down works fine the same way. I am using Firefox with a bazillion security plugins that normally make webpages misbehave but Facebook is fine. The only thing I have to do is make sure my mouse cursor is over the list and use the scroll wheel.

At the bottom of the drop-down is a link to “see all in Messenger” and when I click that link it takes me to another page that also works fine.

Contrapangloss
Contrapangloss
3 years ago

Facebook is super buggy for me. When it does a buggy thing, I just figure that whatever it was I wanted to see wasn’t that important anyway and move on to other things.

Yeah, I miss some posts. Yeah, sometimes I don’t get to messages for three months. But it doesn’t actually matter, because there are other things to do like scrub my apartment baseboards.

Sorry the bugginess is getting to you. I have no advice.

Editing to add:So, my sibling figured out last month that Facebook was actually a major trigger for their depression.

Maybe (so long as you don’t use Facebook for your livelihood) it might be a good thing to try a week off and see how it goes for your brain?

It might not work out for you, but may be worth a shot.

Last edited 3 years ago by Contrapangloss
Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
3 years ago

@surplus

I tend to have problems with messanger too. I mostly use it for my husband and I sense we are so far apart and in different time zones and all of that. We use it for texting and phone/ face time calls. It can be buggy. Like we have nicknames set for each other instead of our actually names like his for mine is “babygirl” and he’s “daddy” in mine, but it will only show those nicknames part of the time, but will leave the nicknames set for other friends totally the same. It also doesn’t update when people change their profile pictures very well in the contact info.

It’s a buggy app but it’s been great for our long distance. When something is free you kind of just have to take what you get.

Full Metal Ox
Full Metal Ox
3 years ago

@epitome of incomprehensibility:

You made me laugh, but then I got to thinking, “Oh, but the words should be capitalized and the one for kitchen takes an umlaut (like this, Küche).”


So I’m a grammar something…but not a nazi, I hope. Fuck Nazis, and not in a sexual way!

Umlauts: they’re not just for dark Gothic Heavy Metal decoration! (Possibly apocryphal story: when Motörhead played their first tour in Germany, they were greeted by cries of “Moteuuurhead!” by the poor benighted locals who’d been brought up to believe that umlauts actually mean something.

See also this observation from bobthemanhimself on https://www.reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/jvbtfv/try_german/:

I started learning German and my friend’s discord username was ßadass and I died laughing because ß is a strong s, so it was basically Ssadass.)

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
3 years ago

What, exactly, do the various European diacritics mean, and are they consistent from one language that uses them to the next, or does each one have its own distinct usage for them?

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

@surplus : they serve to give pronunciation help. And as an added benefit, they sometime help distinguish words who are spelled the same otherwise. They aren’t used consistently between the various roman language AFAIK.

For french specifically, they are in the process of disappearing, since context is often enough. Might take a long time tho.

As to whether it’s a good thing to have diacritics… Hard to say, but pronunciation in english is the kind of hot mess that diacritics might help with. I think computers make diacritics much worse, since having to deal with variant character is a big PITA.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
3 years ago

Men appreciate women with standards and values they want transmitted to their children even if they themselves are not 100 percent up to these standards. Women set the bar.

Sure. And the companies I call on the phone appreciate my business. I know because they tell me so. They don’t appreciate my business enough that I get to talk to a real live human being within a few minutes — but they appreciate my business.

These Nazi guys are the same way. They appreciate women’s standards and values, but not enough to actually live up to those standards and values themselves.

The white woman should be reactive, which is the opposite of the sexually aggressive, dominant, promiscuous, vulgar, emotionally empty woman that modern media have taught us to be.

If I were married to a Nazi, “emotionally empty” would be about the best I could hope for.