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Fix all your sex problems with this one weird MGTOW trick!

Attention, MGTOWs:

Are you unable to fully Go Your Own Way because there’s a part of you — in your pants — that still wants to get with the ladies?

One bold Reddit MGTOW has the solution:

NexusInd 5 points 3 years ago 
Heres an idea. if you really like her body but don't want to deal with her being a whore, just pay her for a dozen pics, her measurements, and a few sex tapes. Take the pics and measurements and pay some company to make a realistic sex doll. Now you have her body whenever you want, no periods, no sperm jacking, no paying for someone else's kid, but you still get her body.

Yeah, nothing creepy about that! Just a simple way to get with the lifeless body of some woman who doesn’t want you — without having to murder her or anything first.

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weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
6 months ago

How do they imagine this conversation would go?

“Hi, I think you’re really hot, but I don’t want to have a relationship or sex with you because I hate women. So, I have 20 bucks and an Arby’s coupon. In exchange, I’m just going to need your measurements, nude pics and some sex tapes of you so I can get a custom made sex doll of you. How ’bout it?”

I mean, who’s agreeing to this creepy ass bargain?

Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

Wouldn’t it be easier just to connect his computer to a Barbie Doll and wear a bra on his head?

(Might be showing my age there)

“Can we keep this between ourselves; I’d hate to lose my teaching job.”

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
6 months ago

@ WWTH,

I’m starting to think that, with MGTOWs, the general unworkability of their ideas is the real point. As in, if they suggested anything that was even remotely within the bounds of do-able, there’d be some pressure on them to, you know, actually do it.

Whereas these wild suggestions are so far outside of reasonable, they can just continue to whinge and rant without actually having to make an effort to change their lives.

Or…they’re just flailing, and I’m seeking sense where none exists.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 months ago

@Bookworm in hijab – I wonder, too, if the idea is to shove the Overton window off the cliff on the things they can’t be or have. Watch someone contort themselves into the most ridiculous pretzels to avoid being nice to women, and after awhile it starts to seem like being nice to women is equally far-fetched (or so they hope).

rabid rabbit
rabid rabbit
6 months ago

Wasn’t there a whole DS9 episode about this? Or at least a subplot with someone demanding that Quark provide a hologram of a specific crew member in the holosuites?

Trying
Trying
6 months ago

Another dude at least pretending to believe that all women want to sell sex.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
6 months ago

@ Buttercup, I think you have a strong point.

.45
.45
6 months ago

@rabid rabbit

Yeah, if I recall correctly, that was one of the early ones, where the dude who would go on to play Weyoun played an alien of the week who wanted Kira in the holosuite. Quark then went around trying to film Kira with a holocamera. Eventually another character found out and edited things so it was Kira’s body but Quark’s head. The customer was not happy about this.

So, not one of DS9’s best or politically correct episodes. Creeping on da ladies for comedy.

Edit: Originally Quark went to sweet talk Kira into it as I recall, but his casual approach of beginning by placing his hand on her hip was met with a threat of him never being able to use that hand again if he didn’t remove it. Messing with the not all that rehabilitated terrorist not reccomended.

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.45
.45
6 months ago

As for the general thing about the MGTOW’s failure to have any sort of reasonable plan goes, I kind of think there is also a lot of sour grapes thinking too.

I.e. “I can’t be a ladies man, but thank god, because women are horrible, am I right guys? Damn right I am, just look at these stories online. I’d hate be involved with one and having to put up with that kind of horror…”

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
6 months ago

@ wwth:

So, I have 20 bucks and an Arby’s coupon

I read this and immediately thought “… approximately 48 minutes of whatever the f*** you want… and a low-fat dessert.”

rabid rabbit
rabid rabbit
6 months ago

@.45: Poor Quark. The women he creeped on kept threatening to cut off his hand. Even his own wife.

Snowberry
Snowberry
6 months ago

There are already a few porn stars who have licensed their image for use with sex dolls. That’s probably where they got the idea. As the dolls/bots get more realistic-looking, we will probably see more of that. How much more is a good question; most likely the majority of porn stars (and also quite likely, the vast majority of celebrities, you know there’s going to be a market for them too) aren’t going to be into that.

No legitimate company is going to use an unlicensed personal image. I suppose there might eventually be a black market for that, if they’d be satisfied with expensive, low quality contraband. That’s ignoring the severe difficulty in getting most people’s images and stats in the first place. I would imagine that if this kind of thing happened, the vast majority of the time it would be because they’re the kind of person to put hidden cameras all around the room and then do highly unethical things with the images/videos of their ex.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
6 months ago

@Bookworm in Hijab : there’s also the fact that toxic masculinity push them toward trying to one-up their answers to their problem all the time. Each time it need to be more brutal, more direct, more mechanical than the last. And rather fast it become litteraly impossible, because tyrying to solve every problem in a blunt way don’t end well.

happy cat
happy cat
6 months ago

I wonder how he would react if a complete stranger told him: “hello, here’s some money. Give me a dozen pics, your measurements and a couple of sex tapes. I need them.”

Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

@ snowberry

No legitimate company is going to use an unlicensed personal image

This can all get a bit complicated. In most jurisdictions (France and Guernsey* being notable exceptions) you don’t actually have any rights in your own image. So theoretically you can produce items that look like people without the need for a licence. The only challenge to that is to bring a claim for ‘passing off’. So you’d need to show that people thought this was an official or endorsed product. But someone could get around that by making it explicit it wasn’t an official product.

We touched on this in that podcast, but from a grimmer perspective. There’s that Harvard case with with the daguerreotypes of slaves; that Harvard are refusing to give back to the descendants of the people featured.

(* https://www.collascrill.com/knowledge-documents/guides/ip-guernsey-image-rights-frequently-asked-questions/ )

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Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
6 months ago

@ Happy Cat,

I wonder how he would react if a complete stranger told him: “hello, here’s some money. Give me a dozen pics, your measurements and a couple of sex tapes. I need them.”

How they would actually react, or how they would claim they totally would react when describing it in their toxic chat rooms? Given that they seem to feel it’s super easy fo women to pick up any guys we want whereas men can’t. So if it were a woman asking them that, I’m sure they’d claim to be totally into it. However they seem to be homophobic as well as everything-else-phobic, so if it were a man asking…

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 months ago

I’m surprised they haven’t gotten into NFTs yet. Revenge porn that also destroys the environment would accomplish two manosphere goals at once.

Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

@ buttercup

Ah, NFTs.

I thought I’d be all avant-garde and mint an NFT for my soul; but then my more with-it mates told me that was old hat.

https://medium.com/coinmonks/selling-your-soul-with-nfts-d0e1efd25d23

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
6 months ago

I was wondering why the theoretical woman’s photo and measurements would even be necessary— presumably if you’re paying for a custom sex doll you can just give them a description and any measurements you want— but then I realized that wouldn’t have the “stealing another human being’s aspect” vibe that makes this an incel fantasy.

Full Metal Ox
6 months ago

@Moon Custafer:

— but then I realized that wouldn’t have the “stealing another human being’s aspect” vibe that makes this an incel fantasy.

Not that inceldom needs help devising ways to make things even worse, but I can think of at least one: once you’ve got a likeness of someone, you can also use it as a poppet (a non-appropriative term for what’s popularly known as a voodoo doll) to affect the subject. Witchcraft is, of course, deemed sneaky, dishonorable, and feminine-coded, but I’m sure they could come up with some sleight-of-mind explaining why this would be completely different.

Dalillama
6 months ago

@Full Metal Ox

you can also use it as a poppet (a non-appropriative term for what’s popularly known as a voodoo doll)

Also more accurate; Vodun doesn’t actually have such a practice traditionally, the derivative syncretic religions of the Caribbean (Voodoo technically only refers to the New Orleans/Louisiana branch, but aside from Candomblé and Santería they mostly have similar names) got that from the Catholic side of things.

rabid rabbit
rabid rabbit
6 months ago

@Bookworm in Hijab

Yeah, if it were a man asking, they’d go full Gay Panic. If it were a woman asking, they’d be horrified and grossed-out on many different levels (especially if they found her unattractive), but they’d claim they went “Hey babe, why need the measurements when you can have the real thing?” and she immediately creamed her panties from his sheer manliness and they rushed off to have sex all night.

@Alan

Do you have a link to that Harvard/daguerrotype story? It sounds fascinating, in a horrible sort of way.

Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

@ rabid rabbit

Do you have a link to that Harvard/daguerrotype story? 

Here you go. Be warned; you will be grinding your teeth.

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/harvard-can-keep-slave-daguerrotypes-1949591

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/04/us/harvard-slave-photos-renty.html

My $0.02 here; at 35:30 (I do go into a bit more about the background)

https://www.buzzsprout.com/1153790/8139451-10-artists-rights-heirs-rights-human-rights-animal-rights-an-overview-with-barrister-alan-robertshaw

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Ashley
Ashley
6 months ago

@FullMetalOx
Some incels believe that putting cupfulls of sperm under a full moon gives them some sort of superpower (yea, don’t ask me what bc I already have a killer migraine)… they’d have no issue justifying any sort of witchcraft to use against women.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
6 months ago

@ Alan,

I just read the articles you posted. “Grinding your teeth” is exactly right. That’s horrifying; I’m not in the least surprised that Harvard hasn’t given a comment. What could they possibly say to justify themselves?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 months ago

I’m not in the least surprised that Harvard hasn’t given a comment. What could they possibly say to justify themselves?

Harvard was one of the schools that, from the 40s to the 70s, took naked photos of all their incoming freshmen. They have long experience with doing questionable stuff with cameras and getting away with it with their massive endowment intact.

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Full Metal Ox
6 months ago

@Policy of Madness:

Harvard was one of the schools that, from the 40s to the 70s, took naked photos of all their incoming freshmen. They have long experience with doing questionable stuff with cameras and getting away with it with their massive endowment intact.

Apparently this was ostensibly for posture-evaluation purposes (and probably to gather biometrics on predominantly white, affluent, and abled young people); here’s an account from the New York Times:

https://archive.li/y1wXn

(Oh, and they also stuck pins in the subjects.)

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 months ago

Apparently this was ostensibly for posture-evaluation purposes (and probably to gather biometrics on predominantly white, affluent, and abled young people)

Ostensibly. But it was run by a psychologist, not an osteopath, and was probably more about trying to find a correlation between body type and intelligence. The photos I’ve seen do not have pins in the spine. I’m not doubting that some did, but that doesn’t seem to be a universal characteristic of the photos.

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
6 months ago

They always complain about “sperm jacking..” I can’t believe that’s actually a thing (outside of their minds.)

.45
.45
6 months ago

@Katherine

I’m sure there are plenty of examples I can’t be bothered to look up right now, and if there are examples of 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of women doing this, it obviously happens ALL THE TIME! You can’t trust those trickise womins.

(Actually I do know a girl whom I am fairly certain did try the whole “a-baby-will-fix-the-relationship” thing and intentionally forgot her birth control. Strangely, her jobless cheater of a boyfriend did not in fact shape up, but ran away. I should be terrified someone will do it to me, and go MGTOW in self-defense, right?)

Ann Hatzakis
Ann Hatzakis
6 months ago

This is disgusting on so many levels.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
6 months ago

@Ashley, @Bookworm in hijab

Some incels believe that putting cupfulls of sperm under a full moon gives them some sort of superpower (yea, don’t ask me what bc I already have a killer migraine)… they’d have no issue justifying any sort of witchcraft to use against women.

Cupfuls of sperm? They probably mean semen, because sperm is invisible to the naked eye. But even so, cupfuls of semen? Where would they get this amount of semen?

I’m starting to think that, with MGTOWs, the general unworkability of their ideas is the real point. As in, if they suggested anything that was even remotely within the bounds of do-able, there’d be some pressure on them to, you know, actually do it.

Yeah, I think you’re right. See above.