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Incel: The only winner in the upcoming sexual revolution will be Chad

The incels.co domain is down, at least for now, but the regulars are still unhappily chatting away on the backup domain Incels.is. And they still have stories to tell one another about men, women, and Chad.

One inventive historian of the future called Iamnothere000 presents his vision of the sexual revolution he believes is already underway — one that will knock women down a peg or two.

“The sexual revolution,” he begins,

will eventually lead to a society where most women will only be interested in dating the top % of men. They will have no need to settle for less attractive men since they can provide for themselves via work/welfarestate/onlyfans.

I’m pretty sure that income from onlyfans — which looms so large in the incel imagination — accounts for roughly 0.000000001 percent of total GDP.

The big winner of this scenario is obviously Chad. He can pick and choose from an unlimited buffet of women without the need to invest any emotional or financial resources himself. Women chase him, he does not have to woo them. This means he does not have to respect or value them in any way. They are utterly replaceable to him.

Lucky Chad, able to be the asshole that incels only aspire to be

This is, if you think about it, a horrible situation for women: They only have a tiny chance to be with a Chad (because many women want him), and only during the short timeframe while they are in their prime.

Most incels seem to think that a woman’s “prime” only lasts from her late teen years until her mid twenties. Better move fast, ladies!

Women can be quite vicious towards each other so it will be a horrible competition.

Mee-ow!

And even if they win the Chads attention, they will have to please him constantly, no matter how he treats the women. If she displeases, annoys or bores the Chad, she will just be replaced. A current example would be Leonardo DiCaprio, who never has a girlfriend older than 25 years of age. Even the formation of harems will not mitigate the competition, because the Women/Chad ration is so steep.

Too many women, not enough Chads.

This may sound like an inversion of the current male-female dating dynamics, where men chase women and women select men. But it is even worse: The competition for Chad will be much fiercer since women are unwilling to settle for anything less (and still be happy). Also, Chad can beat the shit out of his women if he so pleases.

Oh that’s lovely.

Additionally, such a sexual liberated era will forever cement the animal/whore-status of women.

The what/what status of women?

No objective observer (historians for example) male or female will be able to genuinely respect women when they use their new found sexual freedom to collectively go for the men who are physically most attractive while disregarding (or at least neglecting) any other qualities a man could have. Women choose partners like animals do, for superficial traits alone.

I’m sure most animals are better judges of character than your typical jncel. And given the poison incels spew online about women, human women have very good reasons for avoiding you guys.

You may think that (sub 9) men are the biggest losers of this new era. The vast majority of them will not be able to find a partner and is therefore condemned to a live of inceldom. But, at least for me, the worst thing about being Incel is the sheer abnormality of it. WTF is wrong with me when I, despite all my achievement, cannot land a single date while my abusive neighbor can have one gf after another that he can drag over the floor by a fistful of hair?

Why are you so jealous of men who beat women? This is the second time it’s come up in this brief manifesto.

If however inceldom were so common and public that it is no longer considered abnormal, this feeling of wrongness would be mitigated.

There are a lot of people out there not having sex — especially in this pandemic. But the overwhelming majority of them would never claim the incel tag for themselves because it’s associated (and rightly so) with violent misogyny and toxic self-hate. That’s what makes you guys undateable, not the exact shape of your chin or the size of your wrists.

With good copes I could live quit content like this. Not happy, but content.

Stop acting like creeps and people will stop treating you like creeps.

I also think that, emotionally speaking, women need male attention much more than the opposite. Almost all men can (and have to) get used to long stretches without being in any form desirable to women. Virtually all Women however are always somehow desired/liked by men.

Not true, as countless incel discussions about the undesirability of old — over 25 — women and so-called “landwhales.”

They cannot cope with being undesirable because they never had to. On an emotional level: A Women needs a strong man to hold/support her. A man wants a tender woman who he can hold/support.

Well, that’s a pretty crude (and retrograde, and wrong) summing up what draws people together.

So the divide between the genders will hit women much harder then men.

In the coming decades being female will be synonymous with misery and despair.

Not likely. It’s the incels who are the true experts at making themselves miserable.

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GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
5 months ago

Why did the miggies pick the name “Chad” anyway? It isn’t an “alpha” kind of name to any women I know. It makes me think of the Florida 2000 ballot and the much-less-hunky Lowe brother.

.45
.45
5 months ago

Point of interest: Leonardo DiCaprio has dated a 29 year old and a 31 year old. He has also on occasion dated women older than himself in his younger years. Not saying he doesn’t have a distinct taste for younger, but he has deviated. Not that this really means anything except, Hey Iamnothere000, Google much?

Also, funny you mention animals being better judges of character than incels, as I was recently at an animal shelter where a little dog that had been abused by a man and avoided many other men, nevertheless was all over me (me is dude). I don’t like dogs, but I was flattered that this little furball thought I was A-OK.

Full Metal Ox
5 months ago

@GSS ex-noob:

Why did the miggies pick the name “Chad” anyway? It isn’t an “alpha” kind of name to any women I know. It makes me think of the Florida 2000 ballot and the much-less-hunky Lowe brother.

Here’s what Dictionary.com has to say on the topic:

Chad seems to have originated in Chicago slang and was popularized in the 2000s thanks to a 2006 satirical website dedicated to a fictional social club, the Lincoln Park Chads Society. The web site featured numerous posts by a user named Brent having “Chadtastic” adventures around Chicago and was based on the equally fictional Lincoln Park Trixie Society. The name Chad is used as the male equivalent of the older Chicago “Trixie” slang used to describe upper-class, trendy, young, white women. 

In 2008, an Urban Dictionary user added an entry on Chad that described him as a young, white man who is popular with women. In 2013, Chad resurfaced as part of the “Chad Thundercock” meme that centered on stereotypical alpha males. Often shortened to just Chad, this hyper-masculine stereotype was a contrast to the stereotype of antisocial beta males (“virgins”) that supposedly make up the majority of 4chan users or incel communities. These “Chad vs. Virgin” memes have further popularized the name Chad as an exaggerated stereotype of an alpha male.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/chad/

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
5 months ago

wait. if men just “want” a woman to hold and support and they don’t “need” one for companionship and sex, then why are incels a thing? they obviously don’t need it. This one just said it.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
5 months ago

@Elaine The Witch
I think it’s great that incels have figured out that they don’t need a woman. Now they can STFU about us.

Last edited 5 months ago by Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
5 months ago

They can.

But they won’t.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
5 months ago

I feel compeled to say that 0.000000001% of the world GDP is about 750$ per year. Onlyfan as a whole is probably more gross income than that, albeit the perfomer doing more than $750 per year aren’t that numerous.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
5 months ago

“A sexy revolution” :

  • http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=26
  • Kate Beaton is awesome.

    Tabby Lavalamp
    Tabby Lavalamp
    5 months ago

    Women choose partners like animals do, for superficial traits alone.

    Yes, if there’s one thing cis men, and incels in particular, are known for it’s for staring at a potential partner across the room and thinking what a great conversationalist they would be. Incels and the rest of the manosphere have spent years telling each other that it doesn’t matter how old a woman is or how much she weighs, as long as you have matching interests. I’m pretty sure straight men masturbate to women’s scientific theses.

    I also think that, emotionally speaking, women need male attention much more than the opposite. Almost all men can (and have to) get used to long stretches without being in any form desirable to women.

    We’re going to get self-aware AIs before we get self-aware incels.

    Elaine The Witch
    Elaine The Witch
    5 months ago

    @kat

    I don’t think they will. They will just keep obsessing that someone turn them down in 9th grade and use it as an excuse to hate all women.

    Crip Dyke
    5 months ago

    In the coming decades being female will be synonymous with misery and despair.

    As it turns out, when something is making a woman miserable, she’s actually capable of choosing to do something else.

    Weird, but true! Certain academics are now labelling the phenomenon “Freedom”.

    rabid rabbit
    rabid rabbit
    5 months ago

    @Crip Dyke

    Sorry, “Freedom” only applies to Manly Men like Mel Gibson who are being torn into pieces by the forces of tyranny while faking Scottish accents.

    .45
    .45
    5 months ago

    @rabid rabbit

    I never got why that movie was so popular. It could be because I had an interest in the medieval period and had read a book on those events beforehand and spent most of the movie going “Well, that’s not historically accurate” or maybe it is because it was kind of boring. For that matter, I never really got into any of Mel Gibson’s movies or thought much of him as an actor.

    What with Mel Gibson then coming out as himself, I eventually felt kind of vindicated with that attitude…

    Jon
    Jon
    5 months ago

    There’s always a lack of talk of the standards men hold in the manosphere.
    There’s never any talk about any of the animosity a lot of men have if they are not the primary breadwinner in a relationship or in sim form a position of supremacy..

    rv97
    rv97
    5 months ago

    I can’t help but think how people can enjoy not having sex or sometimes even masturbating (owing to my background). Thing is I’m particularly pissed off by those who believe sex should be only for marriage and/or procreation and they decide to blame victims if any incidents of sex abuse happens. I don’t prefer to have sex at the same time though because I don’t exactly feel attractive and have my own demons to deal with, but wish I didn’t have the drive for it because I’d have less issues to deal with.

    I’m fortunate that virtually everyone I’ve encountered though doesn’t hold problematic attitudes towards dealing with sex abuse however, but I don’t think their views towards withholding all non-procreative sex acts would be bearable at least for me.

    Luzbelitx
    5 months ago

    Even the formation of harems will not mitigate the competition, because the Women/Chad ration is so steep.

    And this, children, is why when you are going to pretend to be making a scientific argument by mimicking scientific language, it’s very important that you make sure you get the words right.

    @Tabby Lavalamp

    We’re going to get self-aware AIs before we get self-aware incels.

    I’ll put my money on the AIs any day.

    Last edited 5 months ago by Luzbelitx
    Bookworm in hijab
    Bookworm in hijab
    5 months ago

    .45,

    Are you one of those annoying people who talk through historical films and mock their lack of accuracy?

    By “annoying”, of course, I mean AWESOME. 😄 We should have a movie night. I’ll bring the popcorn to throw at the screen…

    Moon Custafer
    Moon Custafer
    5 months ago

    @Luzbelitx:

    Janelle Shane, who does hilarious and interesting things with neural nets, recently posted about training them to generate pick-up lines. I particularly like “I will briefly summarize the plot of Back to the Future II for you” and “Do you like…pancakes?”

    .45
    .45
    5 months ago

    @Bookworm in hijab

    I may resemble that remark. (Well, actually I try to comment on and correct any movie…)

    Anyway, I was rather into swords, armor, castles, etc, as a kid, so while I am often clueless as to dates, names, and historical events, I recognize such things as when someone allegedly belonging to the 2nd century and living in Ireland is wearing 15th century German armor and waving around a fantasy sword that has no place in history anywhere. (I made that random example up, but you get the idea.)

    Gaebolga
    Gaebolga
    5 months ago

    @Bookworm

    As a birthday gift (to the rest of us), we watched The Core with our friend with the PhD in high-energy physics.

    It was a thing of beauty….

    Bookworm in hijab
    Bookworm in hijab
    5 months ago

    @ .45,

    I made that random example up

    No, no, I think I’ve watched that one! 🤣

    GSS ex-noob
    GSS ex-noob
    5 months ago

    @Ox: Thanks. So they got it at least third-hand. Unimaginative, like everything else they do.

    @Kat: If only. Do go your own way boys, don’t look back, don’t write about women, don’t even think about them. Be totally free! FREE-DUMB!

    @Bookworm: She really is.

    @.45: I am certain I saw that one too. I know it was Irish. Some TV show where I pointed out 8 glaring historical mistakes in the first 7 minutes. My husband gave me a Paddington Bear Hard Look and I piped down.

    He has accepted that in any movie/TV show set before a certain period, I’m going to mutter “Stirrups”. Because they hadn’t been invented yet.

    Dalillama
    5 months ago

    @ GSS ex-noob
    I suspect part of that is the difficulty in finding actors who can ride without the aid of stirrups

    Ohlmann
    Ohlmann
    5 months ago

    There’s however a big trap in historical authenticity in which a lot of people fell : the dates for styles are often very approximative, and the apparition of stuff is often earlier than conventional wisdom. Sometime much earlier, since for example stirrup are pretty much never out of place in movie, except maybe in Quest of Fire.

    (the earliest example are like -200, and given they weren’t in metal yet it’s pretty likely that it actually was invented well before that. They weren’t mainstream at the time, but they would not be anachronistic either)

    In general it’s pretty harmless to chide them for not having done their work, but remember that the dark side of it is people chiding movies and video games for having non white people in medieval setting, with the same misguided basis that we clearly have a very solid idea of when something appareared and what was the style at the time.

    (here again there’s proof of black people in the english isle by -200, and I really want to do a joke about them not being in metal yet, but I fear that become too dark too fast)

    Bookworm in hijab
    Bookworm in hijab
    5 months ago

    @ Ohlmann,

    remember that the dark side of it is people chiding movies and video games for having non white people in medieval setting

    , absolutely. I think it’s more people criticizing glaring costuming/weaponry errors, but I think you’re completely right that there’s could be a nastier element to some people’s criticisms. I’m confident no one on here is doing that, at least. 😊

    Frey
    Frey
    5 months ago

    I never got why [Braveheart] was so popular.

     
    I don’t really care for it as a movie. But I like how it triggers English nationalists.
    https://www.quora.com/Why-are-films-of-Mel-Gibson-so-anti-English?

    There’s like a hundred movies a year with Muslim or Russian baddies, yet these guys are crying over one that’s a quarter of a century old. Persecution complex much.
     
    I’m not usually a stickler for historical accuracy in movies. But there is a line.
    I think most people understand the movie 300 isn’t historically accurate, with all its mutants, monsters, and sublime stupidity. But it gets one thing right, the Spartans were full time warriors, they did nothing but fight and train for fights. So they didn’t farm, yet the movie never explains how they got their food.

    Was it Manna from the Skies?
    Nope, slavery

    The Persians had slaves too, but at least they didn’t massacre their slaves to cull their numbers, like the Spartans did annually. The movie portrays Spartans as freedom fighters who saved Athenian democracy, despite Sparta and Athens being archenemies.
     
    I believe Michael Mann was set to do a realistic movie about the Battle of Thermopylae at one point. I would have loved to see that. It is an interesting story, but portraying it as this epochal battle that saved western civilization is just nonsense.
     
     
    Also, Gods and Generals, Atun-Shei Films review on YouTube is hilarious.

    Last edited 5 months ago by Frey
    Alan Robertshaw
    5 months ago

    @ frey

    the movie 300 isn’t historically accurate

    Indeed. But even ‘in universe’ it isn’t meant to be really. It’s Dilios just telling an inspiring tale to some new recruits before their first battle; so he’s bound to embellish a bit.

    One thing with 300 is you can analyse it in so many ways. Like, as you point out, there’s no mention of the Helots; or indeed the Thespians that were also there. So you could probably reference the film in a paper about propaganda maybe.

    Last edited 5 months ago by Alan Robertshaw
    Bookworm in hijab
    Bookworm in hijab
    5 months ago

    Anyone have any recommendations for good historical movies? My only standards are that they not glory in demeaning women or PoCs, that they are reasonably historically unembarrassing, and…no, wait, that’s it. I trust the WHTM commenters’ standards.

    Hey, we should get David to set up a Mammoth Film Reviews thread! 😆

    Dalillama
    5 months ago

    @Bookworm
    Ridicule is a good one, drama and witty insults in the court of Louis the whichever one got guillotined, with protagonists who are trying to actually accomplish something.

    GSS ex-noob
    GSS ex-noob
    5 months ago

    Romans didn’t have stirrups, but their bucket saddles meant they could stay on anyway.

    But of course actors and stunt persons of today aren’t used to that.

    I don’t complain about stirrups in historical Chinese movies, because they invented ’em. Or at least their nomad neighbors/invaders did.

    RW’ers often think “300” is true except for the monsters. Seriously, they do.

    They don’t wanna hear about:

    • the helots that the Spartans sent out ahead to get massacred first,
    • the fact that the all-professional army of Spartans actually *failed* (they died for nothing, since the Persians sent their main force another way) and the Persians went rampaging through Greece afterwards,
    • that the Athenian navy — who were part-timers like shopkeepers and playwrights — basically saved the Greek city-states from being added to the Persian Empire

    Whoa, I didn’t know bullet points happened here! Neat.

    You don’t want to watch computer movies with my husband.

    Frey
    Frey
    5 months ago

    But even ‘in universe’ it isn’t meant to be really. It’s Dilios just telling an inspiring tale to some new recruits before their first battle; so he’s bound to embellish a bit.

    _

    RW’ers often think “300” is true except for the monsters.

     
    That’s my point, the obviously fantastical elements muddy the waters over the real perversion of history in 300. The ahistorical thesis that we wouldn’t have democracy if the 300 Spartans hadn’t sacrificed themselves for it. It’s like a secular version of Christian Passion Plays.
     
    I would have been less bothered by the absence of the helots if the movie wasn’t constantly harping on the Persians being slavers. It’s also curious how Spartan slavery is ignored while Spartan infanticide is not only depicted, but celebrated. Infanticide is just another reason the Spartans are so Badass. The traitor in the movie is a mutant beast whose father spared his life when he shouldn’t have. 300 is an unabashedly pro-eugenics movie.
     
    The movie’s way of saying ‘no homo’ to the teenage boys cheering for the chiseled Spartans is portraying Xerxes as effeminate. He’s also a wannabe God-King, even though he was most likely a Zoroastrian. Actually, Xerxes I is often identified with the husband of Esther and protector of Jews in the Book of Esther.
     
    Hero in the Bible, villain to conservatives, I suppose that’s par for the course.
     
    #XerxesDidNothingWrong

    Last edited 5 months ago by Frey
    Alan Robertshaw
    5 months ago

    @ frey

    Indeed. The “boy lovers” epithet used against the Parthians seems a bit incongruous. Did none of the 300 actually go to Spartan school!

    And also, just to be really nerdy, there were actually 301 Spartans present.

    ETA: And of course, within a couple of decades the Spartans were in an alliance with the Parthians against Athens.

    Last edited 5 months ago by Alan Robertshaw
    Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
    Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
    5 months ago

    Wasn’t the 300 movie based on a graphic novel by Frank Miller? That could explain a few things about its historical accuracy right there, I think.

    Frey
    Frey
    5 months ago

    @Alan Robertshaw
    The “boy lover” comment was referring to the Athenians, at least in the comic.
    As I understand it, while pederasty was perfectly acceptable to the ancient Greeks, gay sex between consenting adults was generally not. Which is… you know… yeah.
    The exception being Thebes, home of the fabulous Army of Lovers.
     
    @Redsilkphoenix
    Apparently, Frank Miller’s latest Batman comic is a scathing attack on Trump (but still awful). So at least he never joined the MAGA hats.
    And whatever else you may say about Sin City, it portrays Sex Workers as the most honorable faction in Basin City.

    Moon Custafer
    Moon Custafer
    5 months ago

    Something that irritated me in the comic-to-movie adaptation of 300: in the book, Leonidas’ queen, Gorgo, only has one scene, but it’s a pretty good one: told by his advisors he can’t join in the efforts to repel the invasion, he says something like “OK, but I feel like taking a short tour of our borders,” and his wife adds: “The roads could be dangerous. I insist you take your bodyguard, husband— all 300 of them.” It’s clear that she’s colluding with him in his excuse.

    The movie gives her more screen time, but iirc that particular scene is dropped or the line about the bodyguards is given to somebody else, and a subplot is added in which a treacherous councillor in the pay of the Persians offers to lend support to Leonidas but only in exchange for sex — the first time I watched the scene where Gorgo agrees to this, I thought “she’s setting him up— she’s going to have some witnesses ready to jump out and catch him in the act.” But no, she goes through with it, and then she’s surprised when he goes back on his promise and also slut-shames her in front of the council.

    She does stab him in retaliation, but it’s sheer luck that he was carrying the evidence of his treachery (bunch of Persian coins) on his person and it vindicates her.

    Sorry, I’ve been irritated for years that the adaptation stripped Gorgo of agency while claiming to improve her role in the story.

    Frey
    Frey
    5 months ago

    Anyone have any recommendations for good historical movies? My only standards are that they not glory in demeaning women or PoCs, that they are reasonably historically unembarrassing, and…no, wait, that’s it. I trust the WHTM commenters’ standards.

     
    Vendetta (1999)
    It’s about Italian immigrants to the US in the late 19th century. The Police Chief of New Orleans is murdered, and the newspapers blame it on a conspiracy of something called “Mafia.” A word basically invented by the US media, as it’s not a word used by the actually Cosa Nostra or ‘Ndrangheta.

    Fake news leads to…
    One of the largest lynchings in US history.
    It’s based on a true story. It’s where the Mafiosi stereotype that would haunt Italian-Americans for decades originated.
    It’s an HBO movie. But if you don’t have HBO, try checking youtube. It’s from 1999 and stars Christopher Walken

    Gangs of New York
    Many say it’s one of Scorsese’s weaker movies, I think it’s one of his best.
    I’ve been thinking about it a lot recently, especially the part depicting the New York City draft riots. I think the Capital Kalabalik of January 6th was reminiscent of it.
     
    It is full of racism, sexism and general toxic masculinity, but never in a celebratory way.

    Here’s a clip for whenever libertarians call for more privatization.

    GSS ex-noob
    GSS ex-noob
    5 months ago

    #RememberSalamis
    #JusticeForXšaya-ṛšā!

    Hyber
    Hyber
    5 months ago

    Even if that scenario came true some day, by the premises it would be due to the free choice women make in favor of Chads, however desperate their attempts to form any lasting relationships with them. Nothing – except sexual desire apparently – compels them to pursue Chads and being “unwilling to settle for anything less (and still be happy)”. This is clearly a counterpart of an ubiquitously accepted and celebrated incel axiom that men, out of biological necessity, only desire the youngest and most beautiful of women for underlying reproductive reasons. Evo Psych coming around for you fellas.