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Check out my piece in the Washington Post on the Atlanta spa killings

Check out my piece on the Atlanta spa shooter in the Washington Post.

As an explanation for mass murder, it’s a head-scratcher. According to police, after being arrested, Robert Aaron Long told them he carried out shootings at three spas in the Atlanta area on Tuesday because he’d been feeling overwhelmed by his own sexual desires. “He apparently has … what he considers a sex addiction,” a sheriff’s department official said, and viewed the spas he targeted as “a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate.” Long has been charged with the murder of eight people, six of them women of Asian descent.

Long evidently wants us to believe that he is the real victim here, a perpetually frustrated man with a “sex addiction” who could not help but lash out at the women he blames for his problems. As bizarre as this reasoning is, Long isn’t alone in embracing it. It’s a logic I often see among the misogynists I’ve been tracking on my blog, WeHuntedTheMammoth.com, for more than a decade.

Warren Farrell makes an appearance, along with The Thinking Housewife (remember her?).

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Anonymous
Anonymous
7 months ago

Perhaps they should look into some more effective ways of controlling their desires instead. I’ve heard chemical castration via cyproterone acetate works quite nicely, although sadly it has not been authorized for use in the US.

Last edited 7 months ago by Anonymous
Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
7 months ago

It’s that same the world owes me everything, I’m the real (and only) victim, and I am not responsible for any of my actions thing that MRA-types always pull. 😣

Full Metal Ox
7 months ago

@Bookworm in hijab:

And add the idea that if you’re white, male, straight, cis, adult, abled, American, culturally Christian (and above all if you’re all of the above), it’s the rest of the world’s job to babysit your feelings and appease them with tribute—lest you Hulk out.

(You are also somehow and simultaneously the embodiment of Supreme Reason and Objectivity—possibly because you’ve handed your emotions off to proxies to manage, the way a wealthy family might hand off a child to a nanny.)

Last edited 7 months ago by Full Metal Ox
Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
7 months ago

@ Full Metal Ox,

Absolutely. Their ability to believe those contradictions at the same time…I’ll never be able to understand that. I get so furious at the way white male cis Christian American straight perpetrators are coddled.

“Asshole is not a mental illness”; it’s also the case that supposed-mental-illness-used-as-excuse is never an option for anyone who is NOT white, male, etc. if they commit a crime.

They only have compassion for people with mental illness when they see it as a handy way to exempt them from any blame. It’s twisted and evil on so very many levels.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
7 months ago

Edited to add: when they use mental illness as a way to exempt white Male cis straight Christian Americans from blame. Sorry if that was unclear.

Anyone else with mental Illness, or PoC, or both, gets chucked under the bus.

Anon70
Anon70
7 months ago

So this is an anonymous post for privacy reasons. I identify as a sex addict (in recovery). His using sex addiction as an excuse I find infuriating. I think because it’s going to drive people that might be otherwise willing to get help they may need deeper into secrecy. I hurt people with the actions I took, but one of the things I learned in getting help was; these were action I took and am entirely responsible for them, and that I had to accept the consequences of them. He had options for getting help and healing, killing 8 people was never one of them.

My heart goes out to all the victims.

Also, very good take David.

mothkiller
mothkiller
7 months ago

To paraphrase Jake Peralta:

Bullshit motive, still murder.

Also, the idea of Miniskirt Power is such crap. Men are not powerless to desire. What I feel someone like Warren Farrell is feeling is the message that society tells a man that he is entitled to any woman he finds attractive bumping up against the knowledge that NOW there are sometimes (but only sometimes!) consequences of acting on that entitlement.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
7 months ago

Being a heathen atheist, I can’t quote the passage off the top of my head, or where in the Bible it is located, but I know the Bible did say that if the sight of someone is too tempting, you should put out your eye.

Funny how conservative Christian men never seem to remember that and instead of taking personal responsibility for their boner feels, they would rather take it out on women.

Full Metal Ox
7 months ago

@Bookworm in hijab:

Thank you for the necessary clarification; mental illness and neurodivergence serve as Get Out of Consequence Free passes only when doing so serves privilege.

The rest of the time…Bonecouch on Tumblr puts it rather well: 

horror writers use the dsm 5 like a dnd monster manual 

And the same is even truer of crime dramas, down to the assumption that people with X mental illness will always and inevitably follow Y magical rule. 

(Which is, in fact, a commonplace Othering and dehumanizing device: Others are a People of Hats who, like vampires, werewolves, and fairies, can be defeated by infallible magical counters. No doubt you’ve encountered the Pork as Magical Muslim Repellent notion, which has precedent at least as far back as the Pork as Magical Jew Repellent scene in Ivanhoe.

Interestingly, there used to be a Magical Other Repellent belief about police within American hippie circles: if you asked an undercover cop three times whether they were a cop, on the third try they’d be automagically compelled to tell the truth. That version of the legend carries a distinct whiff of Celtic Faerie lore; here’s a sex worker variant, requiring only a single query: http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/are-you-a-cop/)

Last edited 7 months ago by Full Metal Ox
Alan Robertshaw
7 months ago

@ Full Metal Ox

Have you seen the wonderful Norwegian film Trollhunter?

There’s a great bit in that where the characters are discussing the thing about trolls being able to smell Christian blood; and then trying to figure out if the Muslim guy in the group is invisible to trolls.

ETA: Also this rather nice exchange.

Why the hell did you say that none of you were Christian? The way that troll sniffed around, obviously one of you believes in God. “

I don’t believe in God. I sang in a church teen choir, but that’s because my parents forced me to.”

Last edited 7 months ago by Alan Robertshaw
Christine J. Lee
Christine J. Lee
7 months ago

It galls me how in societies where men are considered powerless over women’s sexuality, men are nonetheless considered the more “reasonable” sex. Oh, patriarchy.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
7 months ago

@Anonymous: they are the useful idiot of the police. Their existence allow the policemen both to punish targets they dislike without dirtying their hand and have something to show as reason for their power and hardwares.

It’s also a transparent lie that it’s sexual desires who made him do that. He is a hateful wanker, and castration don’t fix that. I mean, the humilation of it might, but purely the humilation, it have nothing to do with his testosterone.

So whether it control their desire is way behind the point. In a lot of way, the first thing to do here is defund the police, and the second one is making sure people who pull that off are treated as harshly as peaceful BLM protestors. That would chill their “impulse” right away.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
7 months ago

@ Ful Metal Ox,

mental illness and neurodivergence serve as Get Out of Consequence Free passes only when doing so serves privilege.

Thank you, you put that much better than I did! There’s a comic to this effect of someone holding a paint-chip up to show gradations of skin colours; the labels on these ranged from something like “criminal” to “unfortunate mentally-ill victim of society”. Guess which shade was which. 🙄

It bothers me so fucking much. It’s not like our societies generally have much time or interest in actually helping people with mental illnesses; it’s such a contemptuous act to use them as handy ways to excuse white men of crimes.

No doubt you’ve encountered the Pork as Magical Muslim Repellent notion

Indeed; not as much as the references-to-Jesus-as-magical-Muslim-repellant, though (um, dudes, we like him too!)

@Alan, I will have to see if I can find the Trollhunter film! Can you provide more details?

Alan Robertshaw
7 months ago

@ bookworm in hijab

Here you go!

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740707/

It’s probably on streaming services now or whatever it is you hip young kids use!

ginger
ginger
7 months ago

Thank you for sharing this, David. However, your article is paywalled, at least for me. How can I read it?

Full Metal Ox
7 months ago

@ginger:

Here you go: http://archive.li/9zSmo

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
7 months ago

@Bookworm in hijab:

This one? Or close to it?

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ginger
ginger
7 months ago

@Full Metal Ox

THANK YOU!!!!!!!

Alan Robertshaw
7 months ago

Thanks for that FMO.

David, now I’ve had a chance to read the full article; I offer further congratulations. It’s brilliant. You explain the issue so succinctly and persuasively.

This bit especially caught my attention:

The idea that women have some sort of nefarious and overwhelming sexual power over men is widely accepted as gospel truth in what is called “the manosphere.”

Coincidentally, I’m doing something at the moment that shows there’s nothing new there. That’s perhaps unsurprising; it’s probably as old an attitude as we’ve had societies.

But in Renaissance paintings there was a motif that was understood to be shorthand for this concept. It was a group of men circled around a woman. They’d often be doing things that showed they’d lost all reason and were ensnared by the sexual power of the woman.

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
7 months ago

Good to see you explaining things to the average public again. Your parents would be proud.

“Trollhunter” is a great film. It’s more funny that scary.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
7 months ago

@ Redsilkphoenix, that’s the one, though I remembered the words differently (maybe the one I saw had been…is photoshopped still a thing). It was in the context of a Dis/Ability Studies class, so my prof might have adjusted it.

@David, seconding Alan: your article was spot-on.

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

So, the one time they have compassion for someone who is supposedly* an addict is when they’re a murderer. That says a lot about society in and of itself.

*I add the qualifier because I have no idea if he was a sex addict. Regardless, it doesn’t excuse murder.

Dalillama
7 months ago

@Naglfar

I add the qualifier because I have no idea if he was a sex addict

He wasn’t, because there isn’t any such a thing outside the minds of puritanical devotees of sex negative religious sects.

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

@Dalillama

He wasn’t, because there isn’t any such a thing outside the minds of puritanical devotees of sex negative religious sects.

Thank you, I was uncertain so I left my statement open.

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
7 months ago

@Bookworm in hijab:

From what I could tell from what came up when I searched for it, that screenshot has been photoshopped quite a bit. And since I have no desire to watch Family Guy I have no idea what the original wording on that card was. Given the apparent plot of the episode in question had the father guy (the one pictured) getting involved with an Islamic-ish worship group, the original wording may have referenced the darker colors as ‘terrorist’.

Regardless, that screenshot covers a lot more racial ground than its creators likely intended, hence why it’s been ‘shopped so often.

Full Metal Ox
7 months ago

@Redsilkphoenix; @Bookworm in hijab:

Found what may be the version Bookworm in hijab remembers:

http://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/9b/18/4c9b18db95c6284e83e3692d55291575.jpg

Contrapangloss
Contrapangloss
7 months ago

David!

Glad you’re getting published again. I’d say it was a nice article, but there’s nothing nice about what went down in Georgia.

It’s a very well done write up.

Anonymous
Anonymous
7 months ago

@Ohlmann
I figure the threat of it could work as a deterrent nevertheless. Most of them are already scared shitless about being emasculated anyway, so why not turn those fears into a reality? (I do agree with defunding the police or at least putting some extremely harsh limits on what they can and cannot do, but since it seems many people on this wretched rock we call the Earth can’t be trusted to do the right thing on their own I still believe someone has to do the dirty work of administering the punishments for the people incapable of thinking of anyone hit themselves.)

Full Metal Ox
7 months ago

@Anonymous; @Ohlman:

I figure the threat of it could work as a deterrent nevertheless. Most of them are already scared shitless about being emasculated anyway, so why not turn those fears into a reality?

But once such a law should get passed, what’s betting it’ll be turned against the usual targets as an unofficial eugenic as well as punitive measure?

Anonymous
Anonymous
7 months ago

@Full Metal Ox
And that’s why I also mentioned those harsh limits on what the police are allowed to do. Eh, as long as I’m dreaming I may as well go all in with it.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
7 months ago

@ginger

Deleting all your stored tracking information from your preferred browser will often allow you to access a certain number of free articles as well, after which time you have exceeded it you can just delete the cookies and tracking information again to reset it.

Crip Dyke
7 months ago

So something that someone else reminded me of:

This racist, sexist, murderous thug is a Southern Baptist, and in SBC communities it is common to speak of having a “porn addiction” or “sex addiction” if you had lustful thoughts twice in the last week.

I have no idea what this dude’s deal is, and for all I know he could even have an addiction, but given how often Southern Baptists specifically sit around in groups jerking off about how they desperately need Jesus to save them from their sex addictions, the odds that this is someone using the bullshit, religious definition of “sex addiction” and not anything even remotely similar to the clinical definition of “sex addiction” are quite, quite high.

Anyway, I even knew at some point in the past that Southern Baptists use that phrase commonly (and badly), but when someone reminded me of it, his “confession” clicked for me in a way it hadn’t before, so I thought I share that other person’s wisdom.

That other person, by the way, is Evan, one of the staff writers over on Wonkette.

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Separately, I enjoyed Trollhunter. Good movie, that.

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Lastly for this comment, I just want to say that I had a similar thought to WWTH:

If he hasn’t cut out his eyes, if he hasn’t cut off his own genitals, then he isn’t much of a student of his (barbaric) book, is he?

When we notice more men in our society with self-inflicted blindness than women beaten or killed by men, then I’ll believe we live in a Christian society. Not before.

Crip Dyke
7 months ago

Ack, I forgot to say to our esteemed host: Nice work on the Post article! Read the whole thing. It wasn’t quite what I was expecting (I thought it would spend a larger percentage of the time on this particular case), but it was very good.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
7 months ago

As someone who has struggled with actual addiction. A real, painful, opioid addiction that almost killed me and ruined my life, every time someone brings up the “sex addiction” thing I want to punch someone. Cause it always mean this white guy touched himself 3 times a week or something. It’s an excuse and a poor one. It’s like when an incel or whatever kills a girl in their class and the headline goes “popular girl was killed after rejecting boy’s advance for 3 months”

instead of it actually being “keep little shit entitled boy harassed a girl for 3 months and then stabs her to death when she tells him she rather just be his friend”

Because let me tell you right now, if anyone had an actually “sex addiction”, they wouldn’t kill anyone because they would spend ever single moment they could either having sex or masturbating. Just like how I wanted to spend ever minute I could high or else I’d be in crippling pain.

He wasn’t a sex addicted, he was a normal entitled, racist, 21 year old man who decided he hated one ethnics group and gender so went out to kill a bunch of them. And these cops might have well pissed on the bodies of everyone of the victims because the statement they gave is “he has a bad day and was a sex addict”

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
7 months ago

@Elaine : also very notably, addicts don’t exactly go on killing spree for their addiction. At *maximum* an addict might try violence to get his fix, but not even all addict do that, and he shooted women dead, he wasn’t threatening them to “provide service”.

We know he is not a sex addict (which is a real thing that can happen, just not all that often ; the point of Dallilama is more to be taken as “it happen so rarely we can safely assume all reference to it to be bullshit”) simply because he don’t act like one at all.

@Anonymous : cruel and unusual punishment that can also be used for frankly racist goals don’t sound good. The very first order of business for punishment is for it to be consistently and swiftly applied more than being harsh. Harshness don’t actually help, or only a very little.

Mogwitch
Mogwitch
7 months ago

I always wonder what these scumbags think this lust-inspiring “power” is, given they don’t actually ever describe a woman using it for her own ends. They don’t describe a secretary’s cleavage power as getting her a pay rise, or replacing her helpless boss, for example.

I’m starting to suspect these guys are so self-obsessed and unimaginative they really actually think ALL a woman could possibly want is to make them (in particular) horny. Her internal life couldn’t possibly not revolve around provoking his penis – what else would she use this “power” for.

Mogwitch
Mogwitch
7 months ago

@Anonymous,Ohlmann etc.

If there was a medically safe drug that allowed people to be free of sexual desire*, I do think people should be able to access it VOLUNTARILY. People might want that for a variety of reasons, some I think better than others, but it would be a matter of bodily autonomy.

It would be an extreme abuse of bodily autonomy to coerce people to take it, including making probation or sentencing contingent on it. There is no use of chemical castration by law enforcement that is right. If people with paedophilic or similarly problematic desires want such treatment, it should be between them and a medical professional, not required by courts.

I don’t think it would have helped in this case at all. This guy was willing to commit extreme violence, and he could have perpetrated that far more effectively upon his own self if removing sexual “temptation” was his real goal.

* I know some drugs sort of do this, and are abusively used for law enforcement, but I don’t think there’s anything very effective without serious side effects.

Last edited 7 months ago by Mogwitch
Alan Robertshaw
7 months ago

@ mogwitch

 they don’t actually ever describe a woman using it for her own ends

Oh I dunno, isn’t the “she must have slept her way to the top” cliche a species of that argument?

Mogwitch
Mogwitch
7 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw

I thought of that – but honestly, I don’t seem to see really that from the Manosphere because apparently we don’t actually go to work. They talk about pussy passes and so on, but they don’t think we want to work, or I dunno, have hobbies or make art or go dancing. They don’t even believe women who play computer games really want to play computer games. As far as I can tell, they think what women want is to have power over men, so we use our power over men to have power over men.

Alan Robertshaw
7 months ago

@ mogwitch

because apparently we don’t actually go to work.

Well people of that ilk do seem very good at doublethink. Like with Shroedingers Immigrant; a superposition where they simultaneously skive on benefits, and nick all the jobs.

I can well imagine they believe women both eat bon-bons all day and get a shoe-in as CEOs, what what how society is rigged in favour of women and you just have to flutter your eyelashes to get promoted.

Mogwitch
Mogwitch
7 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw
You are right. I’m not taking their superior manly logic enough into account.

I wish “cleavage” power was a real thing and fuckwits would obey when told to piss off.

Naglfar
Naglfar
7 months ago

@Mogwitch

If there was a medically safe drug that allowed people to be free of sexual desire*, I do think people should be able to access it VOLUNTARILY.

Antiandrogens can do that, but as you mentioned they would have some undesirable effects such as loss of bone mass or breast growth.

As for voluntary access, it seems that most of the men who would benefit from such a solution probably would refuse to access it in the first place because they’d see it as making them less of a man.

Mogwitch
Mogwitch
7 months ago

@Naglfar. It’s a bit off topic, but I think there are other people than sex offenders who might want their sex drive gone, if it was possible.

There are people who do have sexual desires that are not realisable consensually but who would never act on that. There are some people who are asexual who find their physiological urges inconvenient or even distressing. There are people who just rather wouldn’t have physical desire as part of their life for various reasons, because they find it distracting or frustrating or immoral. I would probably not agree personally with some of the reasons, but if such a thing were available, I should think people should have a choice to take it, just as they should for medication that restored or increased the libido.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
7 months ago

I wish “cleavage” power was a real thing and fuckwits would obey when told to piss off.

If cleavage power was a thing, I’d be running the world by now! Alas, all my big boobs do is make it hard to find shirts and dresses that fit and make my back hurt.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
7 months ago

@Mogwitch I can indeed attest that some people have fantasms they cannot act upon in a safe manner. It also have nothing to do with toxic masculinity, even if having both at the same time is a frightening thought.

I however am not sure it’s the good way to deal with that kind of problem. Sure it probably won’t hurt to allow people with that problem to take anti-hormonal products, but also I believe that the problem is deeper if they cannot muster the force of will to ignore that themselves. Shouldn’t we make sure theses peoples don’t have other issues that compound it ?

Hambeast
Hambeast
7 months ago

The hypocrisy is stunning; the people who have said for decades that women can’t be leaders because their hormones negatively affect their behavior also say not only that men’s testosterone-fueled bad behavior is in no way their fault, but also is the fault of women’s behavior.

When I was in grade school and a classmate would “tattle” on another student, we were told to mind our own behavior.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
7 months ago

I’ve been following Samantha Field’s blog for a few years now; for those who aren’t familiar with her, she grew up in a rather extreme evangelical sect. Or to quote her blog profile:

I grew up in a Christian fundamentalist cult, but escaped as a young adult. Now, I write about being a bisexual woman and abuse survivor, exploring intersectional feminism and liberation theology.

Unsurprisingly, she has some insight as to the culture that produces men who kill women:

http://twitter.com/samanthapfield/status/1372621258727288836

Last edited 7 months ago by Victorious Parasol
Mogwitch
Mogwitch
7 months ago

@Ohlmann – If sexual desires could be controlled by a drug that people could choose to stop taking when ready, it might actually give people a bit of psychological space to get psychotherapy to treat causes of an underlying distress with their own desire. But even if they wanted to take it for a reason I totally disagreed with, such as a woman taking it because she thought her sexual desire outside marriage was immoral, I think it would be their body, their choice.

Alan Robertshaw
7 months ago

Something a contact knocked up; seems pertinent.

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Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
7 months ago

@ weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

On a slight tangent, but as a fellow big boob-haver (it’s in the name) She-fit and Molke are brands that are good for the big-boobed. Especially Molke because it’s less expensive, worried about humane production explicitly, and employs overweight and trans models.

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