We live in an age unusually receptive to conspiracy theory — with a veritable army of QAnoners caught up in baroque, sadistic theories of retribution against political and cultural elites; with the vast majority of Republicans believing (or purporting to believe) that, actually, Donald Trump won the election; and with a cohort of Americans convinced that Bill Gates is planning to plant microchips in their bodies with a vaccine shot.
Despite all of this competition, incels still manage to put forth their own conspiracy theories that are just as creative as any flat-earther’s. And the incels’ theories have the added benefit of kind of making you sick to your stomach whenever you encounter them in the wild.
Consider the “blackpilled” antisemite calling himself GameDevCel who recently proposed, in a post on the BlackpillClub forums, that “[t]he Jews are behind the simultaneous hypersexualization and sexual segregation of fertile teenagers from the wider male population.”
In other words, he’s complaining that the Jews allegedly in charge of the entertainment business and cultural norms are hypersexualizing “fertile teenagers” — a.k.a. underage girls — yet not letting older dudes fuck them. Which is clearly, in the OP’s mind, a terrible way to simultaneously frustrate and oppress the hapless adult male, especially if he’s an incel.
GameDevCel tries his best to explain the consequences of this dastardly Jewish plot in a rant that is muddled and confusing and wrong on every count.
yeah its called feminism and the (((elite))) have been pushing it for extra sheckles in taxing women’s labor and breaking up the family unit for easily controllable docile citizens.
You know, if you plan to be an out-and-proud antisemite, you should probably know how to spell “shekels.”
These state run indoctornation factories called schools are used to mold the young minds in the way the government wants along with welfare programs to incentivize shitskin [Black] like breeding strategies.
What what what? Even if we set aside the racism here, none of this is making any sense. The “(((elites)))” are “hypersexualizing” teen girls in school? How? Why?
Seriously, dude, the only people here “hypersexualizing” teen girls are you perverts. It’s telling that the only examples of this sort of “hypersexualization” anyone in this thread can offer are 1) the movie Cuties, 2) parents taking their kids to gay pride parades, and 3) a St. Louis couple teaching their 3 and 5 year old daughters to pole dance.
But let’s get back to GameDevCel’s rant
It is why colleges are pushed so hard so white women can get fucked by multiple Chads and settle down with some beta provider in late 20s and have a few autistic kids in their 30s.
The point of higher education is to provide a place for “white women [to] get fucked by multiple Chads?” Why would colleges even bother to teach anything if that’s the goal?
They love any fornication except for an older established man mentally and financially ready to start a family with a 14 year old virgin, which is the hallmark of stable well adjusted societies.
Are you Woody Allen, because this sounds suspiciously like the plot to Manhattan. (Oh, but the girl in that movie is supposed to be 16. Sorry.)
The kikes hate this, hence all the shit they spew in the mainsteam media.
Ok, I guess this isn’t Woody Allen writing this.
>tl;dr marry a virgin no matter how young and homeschool the children
Don’t even consider marrying anyone, incels, until you’ve drained all the toxic sludge from your brains.
Naturally, several other commenters offered their own take on the alleged evil of keeping middle-aged men from raping “fertile teens.”
According to a commenter called Nihilistcorpse,
Only Chad can get something like this
Something like what? A 14-year-old bride?
while an Incel would be caught before it even began or if he’s a rich motherfucker with Joolywood connections, it’s the only reason why you see Chads deflowering virgins left and right while a non-Chad doesn’t even get the chance.
Either way, it’s over for us and stuff like this ain’t in our own favor.
Another commenter, berserkercel, offers his reflections on what he calls the “lie of ‘female independence,'” suggesting that the forces of world capitalism (or perhaps the alleged worldwide Jewish conspiracy) were pushing women into the workplace for short term monetary gains. For some reason the alleged (((elites)) also insist on
Making ages 12-17 “paedophilia” in the eyes of the UK public. So men only marry used up foids who can’t pairbond with the inevitable subsequent divorces of roastie foids. Creating legal fees and inheritance tax for the tax-man under the guise of “feminism” and “protecting vulnerable women”. …
Not to mention lowering the western birth rate (successfully) by using women’s own
natureartificial, and socially unacceptable (back in the day), hypergamy against them. By saying they- foids- are entitled to Chad as a boyfriend, fuck buddy andFathersperm donor through shit femsperg magazines on any Supermarket shelf.Hence the rise of the facebook dog lady.
It’s over.
If any of that makes sense to you, well, I’m impressed. I read this shit for a living and I can understand only about half of that word vomit.
The only thing that’s clear is that these guys really do need to be, well, segregated from “fertile teens” and adult women alike.
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I have an unusually high resistance to local anaesthetics. Less pain is doable, no pain really isn’t, no matter how much they pump into me. Dental work is no fun.
@GSS ex-noob
This is the main reason I’m still on the mammoth. It’s much friendlier than some of the other sites I’m on like Twitter.
@Contrapangloss:
I expect most such people have someone they know whom they can call to come over and help with some things for a while, once in a while. Not me.
@various who singled out Facebook as problematic:
Facebook was only one example. The phenomenon in question is pervasive, on and off of the internet in general.
@Kupo:
For values of “refuse to do that” that include, variously, “have no idea how to do that”, “can’t afford to do that”, and things of that nature.
For example, evidently, to get a doctor, or get fast enough internet to stream TV and movies online, or get groceries delivered, I would have to move to a larger city, or a suburb of a big city, which would raise the monthly cost of keeping a roof over my head up to well into the four figures, which in turn I simply cannot afford, full stop.
I love how I can’t resist trying to pet cacti.
Every time I see a cactus, I think: “Don’t pet it. It’ll stab you. Don’t pet it. This cactus doesn’t want to be friends, it wants to be prickly.”
And then I pet it.
Sorry for blowing up the thread, folks.
@dalillama:
That majorly sucks. I’ll cross my fingers for many filling and root canal free years for you, because ow.
@Contrapangloss:
I’m baffled. Are you saying you found this somehow offensive?
It’s just a statement of fact. Most people who live alone still have friends in their area, don’t they?
As long as we’re on the topic of surgery and general anesthesia, I’ll add that I had surgery three years ago for a broken wrist.
I probably wouldn’t have needed surgery but was just so broke that I tried to tough it out, until I realized that my wrist could continue to be twisted until I saw a doctor. It was not gonna go back to normal. By that time the bones had started growing back, improperly. So the surgeon had to rebreak my wrist first and then reset the bones.
The anesthesia was quite an experience because it causes amnesia. I have two memories with regard to the anesthesia: I’m lying on the operating room table, counting backward, and I’m not getting sleepy at all. It’s clear to me that the anesthesia isn’t working. The next thing I know, I’m waking up and the nurses are putting away the oxygen machine. The rest is a complete blank. Kinda scary — but probably for the best.
Then my boyfriend and I caught a bus back home. In the rain. I’m so glad he was there because I was terrified of falling and rebreaking (once again) my wrist.
And then — because I was broke and also because I don’t always go along with popular wisdom — I didn’t get my prescription filled for a painkiller. I was fine for about ten hours, and then I woke up with a pain that was excruciatingly constant. The pain I’m familiar with, it turned out, has tiny pauses in it, enough so that I can sort of catch my breath. Not this pain. I couldn’t stop focusing on it. At 8:05 a.m. I woke my boyfriend and demanded that he immediately walk a few blocks and get my prescription filled. (I called ahead at 8:00 a.m. and the pharmacist said it would be okay as long as he took my driver’s license with him.) After that I could sleep and heal.
I have a four-inch scar but it’s not noticeable to anyone but me.
PS: The surgeon put plastic bone and also cadaver bone in me. My boyfriend was super impressed by the cadaver bone. Sadly, the cadaver bone dissolves after a few weeks.
@ Contrapangloss,
I do that with the hairy ones. Those things HURT.
For a while my daughter had a sticker collection which included various cacti with signs saying “free hugs”.
Aaaaaand that has led me to remember Mallory Ortberg’s “Everything what’s wrong of succulents”, which sadly I no longer can find.
Sorry for the random stream-of-consciousness…
I know that this is probably useless, but…
Surplus, people here ARE trying to help you. But they won’t be able to provide you with a “magic button,” because no such thing exists. Anything that will improve your situation will require time and effort, because that is how life works. That they cannot offer you complete, easy solutions does not mean that they are not trying to help, and is certainly not a reason to attack those who respond to your requests for help as you have a pattern of doing.
Speaking of patterns, humans are really good at seeing them where none exist. Things go wrong for us all the time, often for seemingly no reason. It may be comforting to think that someone is doing this deliberately, because at least then there is theoretically something that we could do about it – find the Man Behind The Curtain and expose them.
But there is no Man Behind the Curtain. Even the things that harm you that are a result of people’s choices (such as cuts to support systems) are not targeting you specifically, because the people doing that do not even know that you exist.
I’m a dialysis patient in the USA. There are people who have dedicated their lives to removing the support systems that keep me alive. But I recognize that while they want “people like me” dead, they are not trying to kill me specifically.
No one is targeting you. This belief is unhealthy, and is hurting you. People have, many times on this site, offered links to resources that you can contact for various types of support. And yes, these will take time and effort – because solving problems takes time and effort for everybody. None of us are just coasting through life without suffering a million little setbacks.
I really hope that you are able to get help, but first you need to recognize why you need help. And it isn’t because someone is after you, but because you believe that.
I’m reluctant to engage with Surplus’s weaponized self-pity, but I don’t want that to keep me from acknowledging that someone here was treated in an unacceptable way. @Contrapangloss, I saw you try to be kind. I saw you try to reach out and say (roughly paraphrased) “I’m sorry this thing is hard for you. It’s hard for me too,” only for Surplus to essentially reply that, no, he doesn’t believe you. You can’t suffer like he suffers because that might mean that he isn’t the worst off person in the world, so you must be lying about your own experience. Anyways I see that, and I’m sorry it happened to you. You didn’t deserve to be treated like that.
@Bookworm in hijab
The author of that piece you mentioned goes by Daniel Lavery now, just as an FYI. I’m sorry you can’t find the piece again! His writing is so funny. I miss The Toast sometimes!
… said something. Editing it out because the thought was ninja’d and I need to bow out for a bit. Thanks, Viscaria. I appreciate it.
@ Viscaria,
Thanks! I hadn’t known; I was never a regular reader of The Toast. I appreciate the info! I wonder if I can find that piece under their (his? Not sure which pronoun is preferred) more recent name.
And I feel dumb. I just went “ooh, yay, cacti!” when I read that comment. I hadn’t read it as a…reference? Point being made? In my defense I’m a little sleep-deprived (and clueless at the best of times, lol).
…edited to add, HIS. Thanks Viscaria. See previous comment re: I am sleep-deprived.
:O
I never accused anyone here of lying! All I did was point out that I’m not your “typical” person-who-lives-alone-in-an-apartment, who still has a bit more support than I have.
As for the time-and-effort thing, first I’d have to know what to do. I have no idea how to do any of these things. I can’t even keep a conversation going, much of the time, let alone figure out how to better my condition in a serious way without a magic increase to my income that I have no clue how to get.
(Getting a job is not the answer. It’s clear that if anyone would hire me at all, it would only be for a McJob, and those don’t pay a living wage. I’d be no more able to afford big-city rents on a McJob as on my present income. And that’s assuming I could manage to hold onto that McJob for any length of time, which I have various reasons to doubt. If I couldn’t, I’d then be left with zero income, since presumably I’d need to get a doctor’s note or similarly to re-apply for disability, I don’t have a doctor, and even if I did I don’t know how to navigate the bureaucracy (my mother originally helped set it up, and is dead now), and even if I did, the payments surely wouldn’t start instantly and I’d still have months of zero income to weather somehow. Frankly, I don’t see any path out of this, at least none that don’t risk my ending up much worse off such as homelessness, except for unlikely scenarios involving an unknown rich relative kicking the bucket and leaving me a huge inheritance. And even that would require me to learn, on the fly, how to navigate all kinds of legal complexities involving wills and probate courts and estate taxes and stuff, no doubt with people offering to help who might very well have ulterior motives so I wouldn’t know whom I could trust … it’s things like this that make me think the world wasn’t designed for me, or maybe vice versa. I just don’t seem to fit into it very well, and I don’t have very many options at all that leave me a safe line of retreat in case of failure or betrayal. I think maybe I’m a personality subtype who was “meant” to be supported by an extended family while contributing to society mainly in an intellectual capacity, mainly in indirectly-remunerated ways, while other members of that family interfaced to things like bureaucracies and the legal system, only the corporatocracy’s chase-the-jobs shell-game has broken up extended families into atomized little units since a century ago now.)
@Surplus – Maybe you should consider the fact that *multiple* people have come to the *same conclusion* about how you treat others as an indication that that is, in fact, how you treat others.
Seriously. Take our word for it. You’re terrible to try to help.
You say “I have this problem.”
People will reply “Oh, geez! I also have that problem! I found X and Y helped me, perhaps they’ll help you? Good luck with your situation! It sucks!”
You reply with “NO ONE HAS THIS PROBLEM LIKE I HAVE THIS PROBLEM!!!
WALLS
OF
TEXT
LIKE
SERIOUSLY
WALLS
OF
TEXT
Also how could you suggest X and Y! My complications of abcdefghijklmnop mean that X and Y are COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO ACCOMPLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
People then go “Surplus, it’s clear that you’re hurting! I’m sorry about abcdefghijklmnop, I had no idea about those. Maybe you could try z? That might help. Really hope this can work out for you!”
You reply “Z WILL LITERALLY NEVER WORK FOR ME BECAUSE OF 123456789101112131415!!!! HOW COULD YOU SUGGEST Z??? Don’t you KNOW that everything bad that happens to me is SPECIFICALLY TARGETED TO ME!!! X COMPANY HATES ME AND WANTS ME TO DIE! Y COMPANY WANTS ME TO DIE! Z COMPANY ******SPECIFICALLY******* IS TRYING TO KILL ME!!!!!!!”
People “You don’t have a nemesis. This is clearly out of the range of what a random person on the internet can handle, you really need to get some help. Please find someone to see. I wish you all the best, you’re clearly suffering.”
You reply “ARGHELBARGLEARGHELARGHHHHHHHH”
They reply: “I don’t deserve to be treated like this, Surplus, and I would appreciate if you didn’t.”
You reply:
“WALL
OF
TEXT
SO
LONG
IT’S
EVEN
LONGER
THIS
TIME
NO
ONE
SUFFERS
LIKE
YOU
DO!!!”
Then people stop talking to you, the thread dies, and you show up on the next thread as if NOTHING HAPPENED. Then you’ll be fine for a while, until your power flickers or someone comes late (or early?) to pick you up, or SOMETHING, and we’ll have to go through the whole song-and-dance again.
I am NOT saying that you aren’t _clearly_ in distress. You are, you clearly are. I am really sorry for you that you’re dealing with this, and I wish you would be able to find some sort of help that can help you.
What I AM saying, is that you take your frustration out on us, and we *don’t deserve it*. If you said “I’m having a bad day”, someone says “this helped me”, and YOU REPLIED WITH “that won’t help me, unfortunately, but thanks for the suggestion.”
THAT WOULD BE FINE.
OR, if you didn’t want suggestions, say “this is a venting rant, I don’t need suggestions in how to deal with it, thank you.” And then vent. No one will reply to you with anything other than “that sounds like it sucks, friend. Good luck dealing with that, I hate that you have to.”
It’s not that we don’t want you here, most of the time you make good comments. It’s just these episodes that are so seriously *draining* to deal with.
I also know you won’t reply to me, because you’ve stopped. That’s fair, we clearly don’t see eye to eye. But I hope you read this, and maybe think that I am _trying to help you_.
This is how your actions feel to people. If you don’t intend this, please work on a way to interact with people when you’re upset that *isn’t this*.
@Rhuu:
And yet, I’m not the one ranting in all caps and specifically singling another person out to say how terrible and awful they are.
How odd …
Pretty much every significant problem I have seems to trace back to “insufficient funds”.
Every medical issue -> lack of a doctor -> not living in a bigger city or its suburbs -> insufficient funds.
Every wonky door, busted window blind, etc. around here -> fixing it needs tools I don’t have and the ability to move bulky objects across town -> no car -> insufficient funds.
Lack of any meaningful local support -> few local friends, all more scared of the pandemic than I am, and I’m plenty scared of it -> no real way to meet new people -> smaller city/bars and such are expensive to hang out at -> insufficient funds/insufficient funds.
I do keep hoping that there’s some free something-or-other that someone might know about that I don’t, or “everyone knows” resources or shortcuts through the bureaucracy or whatever that I don’t know, or some new thingy on the horizon (say, adding more things than just dental and pharma to disability benefits), but there apparently really is nothing.
I’m not sure why people keep thinking I’m just being lazy and if I just put in some “time and effort” I could magically solve this stuff. Everything keeps tracing back to my needing several hundred more dollars a month before I could begin to make a dent in this mountain of woe. And since the world decided, unanimously, that I was unworthy to hold a white-collar job, regardless of my educational qualifications, there seems no reliably way for me to get such a larger income, unless the government were to pass a huge expansion of the welfare state, which isn’t going to happen because idiot middle class people keep voting for Tories and so poorer people have to keep strategically voting for Liberals and so hardly anybody ever votes NDP …
It costs nothing to be kind to people.
*sigh*, it’s just a rinse and repeat. No one is as isolated as you, surplus. No one has as few funds as you. No one has as few family members/friends to call on.
(I have exactly 0 family in this entire province, fwiw. While I have friends I can call on, I have 2 friends with cars. Neither of whom I can call on right now, because it’s COVID and I happen to live in a place that has been in lockdown and above for months, with huge numbers of the ‘variants of concern’ showing up. I’m terrified to go outside, I’m terrified to see people, and my mental health has *sharply* declined because of my isolation. But, sorry, no one has it as bad as you. There’s a name for what you commonly do, you know, and you’d win a frigging gold medal in it.)
You’re taking umbrage at the tone and style of my response, rather than the actual content. I could say the same thing about you, with your italics. I was too lazy to put in the italic tags, so I used caps. Since you have stated your preference for ‘no caps’, I’ll put in the effort of putting in the tags.
… Thank freaking god you got this. If *nothing else*, I’m so happy you finally understand.
There are no short cuts. Life sucks for everyone. Welcome to late stage capitalism.
Quote me where anyone, literally anyone, has called you lazy. You might have *read* ‘hey, Surplus, you’re super lazy’ but what people said was ‘hey, Surplus, this shit sucks for everyone. You’re going to have to follow up/try a different way/accept it isn’t going to happen/know that no one is targeting you’.
The ‘magic’ comment comes from your behaviours, where you reject any suggestions offered, because they won’t magically fix all of your problems with zero effort. That solution doesn’t exist. No one can give that to you. All us strangers on the internet can do is empathise, and try to suggest things that have worked for us.
Again, and I can’t reiterate it enough, you’re obviously having a tough time. You’ve shared that you’re struggling with money, and are isolated, and are upset by both of those things. I’m sorry to hear that.
There are free mental health services that you can actually access. Here’s a link to Mind Beacon, I’m not sure if it would actually help you, but there’s one link. Here’s a link to other therapy options, check out this page. Here’s another Ontario website to help connect you with mental health resources.
I’m sure something will go wrong with you attempting to access any of these resources, because bureaucracy sucks. And government stuff often has some issue. But try, really try, to solve whatever roadblock comes up. It’s shitty, you shouldn’t have to, but that’s life.
ETA: right! For toting stuff around town, try something like a grocery cart. *I know* they are expensive. But it really is a good investment! I use this so I can do my grocery shopping trips, or go to wal-mart (in the before times, sigh) or whatever. I’ve brought home many oversize things by either lashing it to the top of the cart, or using bungees. I’d recommend not getting one of the walmart ones, the metal has gotten thinner over the years, and they don’t last nearly as long. :C
@Bookworm in hijab – great point!
@ Surplus
You are quite right that “It’s expensive being poor.”
I wish I had some practical advice for you there; but I’m afraid that’s beyond my ken,
However, may I suggest one way that might address some of the other problems you have? Specifically the lack of response to your media posts, and your social isolation.
You write very well. So why not write something about how poverty is like that negative feedback thing? You could start with the general observation, and give some examples from your own life to illustrate.
You don’t need any tips from me on writing, but you could maybe start with that Discworld quote about the boots, and work from there.
Find somewhere suitable to publish it, and invite comment from readers as to their own experiences. That should provoke some engagement; there’ll be plenty of people out there who this must apply to.
Then you can engage with them and who knows what social circles you may build?
Shared adversity can be a great driver for forming bonds; and it may be that’s the start of a mutual support network for you all.
Anyway, just a thought.
Literally no one is saying this. People have been saying the opposite, in fact. That there is no magical solution to all your problems. The objection is to you lashing out at us because we do not have a magic fix for you.
The objection is also to you thinking you are the only one with problems. This past year has been hard on all of us. I could detail what about it was hard for me, but I won’t because I don’t believe that you care. I’ve never once seen you show empathy for us, yet you expect us to have an endless supply of energy, time and sympathy for you. If fucking exhausting. Which is why I don’t usually even engage with you anymore.
@Surplus
It is really hard to make concrete suggestions not fully understanding your personal situation, which you love to go over whenever you are shooting someone’s ideas down, but otherwise can be a total mystery. (Which makes it easy for you to shoot things down and utterly dismiss any attempts to help in a manner that comes across as rude over text, which in turn does not encourage them to be polite to you, blah, blah, blah.)
For example, one thought that occurs to me is to suggest you do what I feel I need to do to “live life”, and that is simply to get out more. In your case, since you seem to lack capital, a vehicle, etc, I would suggest walking to any free events or street festivals nearby.
However, this assumes that you are like me and not only are able to walk several miles on a whim, that there are events and things in those several miles, that you would even be interested in attending such things, and oh yeah, there isn’t a freakin’ pandemic cutting down significantly on these activities anyway.
So, I can suggest you throw on a coat and thermal underwear to go walk six miles through snow to see a winter carnival thing, but it might be a ridiculous suggestion for you, even if I would happily hop to. /Overexplaining
And for what you may consider a straight up insult here, look at your position on money being your only solution and compare it to that of an incel complaining they can never succeed because they lack the money to be “Beta Bucks”.
Lastly, note that probably a not insignificant number of people commenting on here have “seen some shit”, have dealt with depression, may have contemplated suicide, etc. They are still here. So are you. To quote from the ridiculous show Andromeda: “Where there is life, there is hope.”
OK. Now I want to see this actual post. David do you have a link???
Titanium, I’m not sure David watches all the comment threads; have you emailed him about getting the link? That might be fastest.
The jews are behind everthing… ?
But wait, what’s about the illuminati, the spacelizards, and the brotherhood of the great pumpkin??