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Incel “sexual communists” want to “seize the means of reproduction,” which, if you’re a woman, is you

Incels, if they think about politics at all, tend to lean right — pretty far right in some cases. But there’s a distinct, if relatively tiny, bunch of incels who claim to be leftists and even Marxists. Let’s just say their version of Marxism bears little resemblance to the original flavor.

Meet TheIncelRepublic, a self-described “Sexual Marxist and Incel Revolutionary” who posts regularly on the BlackPillClub incel forums.

In a post titled “I think I got brainwashed into accepting the communist ideology through the most weirdest ways,” TheIncelRepublic offers his own supervillain origin story, which involves, among other things, an unused air conditioner and a sucky boss at PizzaHutCuck.

Back in the old days, he explains,

I actually fairly liked Capitalism and was not a commie.

That changed when I starting preaching “sexual communism” and calling for the redistribution of the means of reproduction (foids).

Slowly I started going down the “left wing rabbit hole”, I started listening to commie music and eventually got brainwashed a bit by the comment section.

Then my boss stopped using the A/C in the Pizza Kitchen in the middle of Summer (because he wanted to save bills) and started cutting many wages as possible. (I work as a wageslave at PizzaCuck).

Then I started reading history about the 20th century and found how based Stalin and Tito were. I started reading more history and got even more brainwashed.

Then while I deliver pizzas at Pizzacuck, I started delivering at rich places were Chads and Stacies were having parties.

I also was lurking in Tankie [Stalinist] forums such as /leftpol/ and found how based they were.

All this with other shit turned me into a commie. Although I am more of a nazbol, social democrat, strasserist or mutualist at best, I wish the Soviet Union came back and destroyed degenerate America to the gorund.

These days his posts on TheBlackPillClub are a mixture of incel obsession and weirdly repurposed Communist slogans. His vision of the socialist utopia involves women being treated as little more than “commodities that are for exchange.”

He and his allies, he promises, will

seize the means of reproduction (foids)! We have [nothing] left to lose but our virginities! Down with Sexual Bourgeoise (Chads) and the Sexual Kulaks (Cucks and Simps)!”

To be a truly convincing Marxist one should probably be able to correctly spell “bourgeoisie.”

He dreams of a “planned sexual economy” in which there is a “foid” in every man’s dacha, doing all the chores.

This is why Sexual Communism works, simply put, women are commodities. The more women a man can score, the more he will spread his genes and win the game of life. By having a planned sexual economy, the state can provide every male with a fit fertile woman for them to breed with and do all the shit for the men like cooking and cleaning. There is enough women for everyone and Chads are hoarding all the women.

Time to seize the means of reproduction!

TheIncelRepublic believes that the “(((sexual capitalists)))” — that is, the Jews — have been experimenting on the black community in order to see what happens when women have too much power over their own lives — that is, they have the same basic rights as men.

The African American communities are a good example of what happens when you let your women go out of control. We know the (((Sexual Capitalists))) tested free market dating to see what will happen and it fucking worked. Now they are trying it on everyone else. …

If you remove feminism from black communities, thug culture and crime will disappear overnight.

Most incels, while generally on board with the idea of “sexual redistribution,” don’t see themselves as communists of any kind. Indeed, one incel has written out a detailed “rebuttal” of TheIncelRepublic’s incelcommunist manifestos. It’s quite possible it will be the worst thing you read all day (or week). According to LiveFromInferno,

When you find out that fembots [women] are nothing but means of reproduction, a resource, and also happen to be incel, it can be tempting to embrace “sexual communism” and wait till gfs belong to everyone. I’m going to make a case that it’s no solution to inceldom.

Communism is what you get when private property is gone, with production and consumption of resources socialized; everyone gets their equal “free” share.

In case of cumdumpsters, private property is demonstrably gone because this is what culture (=patriarchy) was about. The cultural coverup for it was that we as a society were giving the holes the right to choose for themselves, but it was doomed to fail for lack of hole agency, which it did as fembots base their lives around the top 1-20% of men (chads). …

Another major problem with communism applied to rapemeat [women] as means of reproduction lies in the name: they do not produce sex, they produce babies. In our stage of development as a species we do not equate babies with sex. As such, for a lot of men sex isn’t means to an end which would be reproduction; to them sex is the end …

This alone for me is enough to say that sexual marxism doesn’t solve inceldom in that it doesn’t guarantee ascension at all, at times making it way harder, and also it skews the reasons why we see incel as a problem in the first place.

The right way to tackle inceldom and many more social issues is to recognize private gfs as the human right that it is, repeal fembot suffrage and restore the property rights on fembots.

In this battle between “Sexual Marxists” and “Sexual Capitalists” both sides are so transcendently awful that I can only hope they both lose, the more ignominiously the better.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

That changed when I starting preaching “sexual communism” and calling for the redistribution of the means of reproduction (foids).

My copy of the Communist Manifesto must be missing some pages, I don’t recall that section. Reproduction and production are not the same word

PizzaCuck

Worst restaurant name ever.

how based Stalin and Tito were

This explains much about Mr. TheIncelRepublic.

Although I am more of a nazbol, social democrat, strasserist or mutualist at best, I wish the Soviet Union came back and destroyed degenerate America to the gorund.

Being a Nazbol and social democrat seems like a bit of a contradiction, but I can see how a Nazbol might believe the same things Nazis do about women.

Sexual Kulaks 

Sexual Kulaks is the name of my new burlesque group.

(((sexual capitalists)))

Usually Jews are blamed for spreading communism, not capitalism, but I guess we’re a versatile scapegoat.

This alone for me is enough to say that sexual marxism doesn’t solve inceldom in that it doesn’t guarantee ascension at all

This is basically the “sex workers don’t count” bit again, admitting it isn’t sex they want but power.

.45
.45
2 months ago

I’m still stuck on how removing feminism from black culture will get rid of thug culture and crime overnight…

Trying
Trying
2 months ago

Slow down, Commander Waterford.

NautaliaC
NautaliaC
2 months ago

Does anyone else here have a morbid curiosity about what would happen if tankies were infiltrated by incels? What if this rambling catches on with the greater incel community. Or perhaps I am simply uttering unholy words.

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
2 months ago

Not sure if Poe’s Law or real… oh, they’re incels, it’s gotta be real.

Of course, the way things worked out under Stalin, the Chadskis got even more of the women, and Incelovitches got nothing.

Snowberry
Snowberry
2 months ago

But men are needed for reproduction too. Wouldn’t that mean enbies should seize the binaries?

(Yes… I know that’s not how it works, I’m being stupid on purpose.)

M Manu Rere
M Manu Rere
2 months ago

I mean, I won’t say that I haven’t gotten into communist RP (“I claim this ass in the name of the People”), but that was a) consensual roleplay with a rather strong element of self-mocking humor, and b) between a man and an AMAB NB person, so I don’t think the incels would be happy with it.

And @Naglfar — Jews are blamed for communism and capitalism. Antisemitism is a hell of a drug.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
2 months ago

You poor incels. Why should you have to go out into the world and make a life for yourself that includes a relationship with an equal. That might mean rejection. Disappointment. Hurt feelings. No way. Time for a new legal code. Rights for women? Time to disappear those laws. There’s no way that women would rebel against their enslavement. . . .

Lukas Xavier
Lukas Xavier
2 months ago

But men are needed for reproduction too.

I guess that means testicles should be redistributed as well. Some people have two and some people have none. It’s so unfair.

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@Kat

Hurt feelings.

And of course this is from the “facts don’t care about your feelings” crowd, also known as the most overly emotional group of people I can think of. There is a special form of irony for the fact that the people who talk about logic the most are usually the least logical, and those who talk about being unemotional are usually driven by emotion.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
2 months ago

I see his devotion to communism stops short of giving up his own right to private property.

By having a planned sexual economy, the state can provide every male with a fit fertile woman for them to breed with and do all the shit for the men like cooking and cleaning. 

That isn’t communism. It’s called slavery.

Alan Robertshaw
2 months ago

They do have a sort of ‘sexual socialism’* in the Netherlands.

Access to sex and intimacy is considered a fundamental human right, so the government funds schemes that allow people with disabilities to access sex workers up to 12 times a year.

https://dutchreview.com/culture/love-dating/sex-care-in-the-netherlands-helping-the-disabled-find-intimacy/

[* As it’s a public/private collaboration then I guess it’s technically sexual social democracy]

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 months ago

Re the OP: uh… I’m pretty sure Marx himself had some direct things to see about women’s liberation being a necessary part of communism? Doesn’t change that he was misogynistic and ableist and all (see “lumpenproletariat”) but come on.

@Alan

Saying this is probably going to get me ridiculed as a SWERF or something, but… honestly? That’s gross as hell. Like I know any kind of society with money or bartering is going to have sex work, but institutionalizing it explicitly like that sounds really dangerous, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s more exploitation involved than most Dutch are comfortable admitting.

Edit: I guess what I’m saying is, I just don’t see how any form of “socializing” access to people’s bodies won’t be inhumane and end badly.

Last edited 2 months ago by Cyborgette
Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@Cyborgette

I’m pretty sure Marx himself had some direct things to see about women’s liberation being a necessary part of communism?

He did. There’s also a long tradition of Marxist feminists (Betty Friedan, Leslie Feinberg, etc).

Saying this is probably going to get me ridiculed as a SWERF or something, but… honestly? That’s gross as hell.

I agree. I also take issue with the idea of sex as a human right, I find that to be dangerously close to incel beliefs about how they’re entitled to sex. One individual does not have a right to another’s body.

I should note, I am not opposed to sex work as a whole, my issue is with this context.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
2 months ago

Without reference to the actual Dutch implementation, there is a way I can see this working that would be nonexploitative, given a pre-existing, properly regulated legalized brothel industry that lacks exploitative pimps and the like: Give out redeemable vouchers. A voucher recipient still has to find a brothel willing to accept them as a client, which means an abusive one can still end up being refused service. Brothels that are in good standing vis-a-vis the regulation of their industry could then redeem the vouchers with the government for money.

As for any special transport and mechanical accommodations for the disabled, having a disabled-friendly public transit system goes a long way, and of course a brothel with poor accessibility won’t be redeeming many of those vouchers, so would be excluding themselves from a chunk of the market, and perhaps a chunk of significant size. Accessibility standards could also, obviously, be part of the industry’s regulation.

As for the human-rights angle, I’d suggest that the opportunity for sex and intimacy is a human right, as is the choice to reject them, the latter with any particular person or in general. (The former, therefore, only in general.) That would obligate the state to remove obstacles to citizens’ pursuit of these things, especially ones that disproportionately obstructed marginalized people and the socioeconomically disadvantaged. Removing obstacles to socialization in general would typically suffice: cheap or free public transportation, guaranteeing the existence of inexpensive venues for socializing (perhaps by subsidizing some, or directly creating some, such as free galleries and museums that include socializing areas), and of course accessibility regulations and universal healthcare.

Similarly to the US’s “the pursuit of happiness”, this explicitly limits the state’s obligations to leveling the opportunity playing field, and not to leveling outcomes (which, as everyone has noted, is impossible to do with sex and relationships without enslaving people).

Bakunin
Bakunin
2 months ago

Of course he’s a Strasserite

Course there’s the segment of tankies who act like the Anti-Sex League is peak theory, they’ll prolly disagree with IncelRepublic

Alan Robertshaw
2 months ago

@ cyborgette & naglfar

Yeah. I don’t know much about the scheme. I only found out about it when I was chatting to a Dutch friend about an old Harry Enfield sketch (that’s sort of in the same vein) and she said they did actually have it. So I just googled that article when this post reminded me.

@ surplus

“the pursuit of happiness”

I have seen some legal commentary that argues that, in the Constitution, ‘pursuit’ has its meaning of something that is actually undertaken or carried out (like in Trivial Pursuit) so it’s a guarantee of actual happiness, not merely the opportunity to try.

I’m not convinced by that interpretation though. It’s a pretty impossible promise, and if they did mean that they could just have said ‘life, liberty, and happiness’.

ETA: The dictionary gives a better example of the alternative meaning than my board game one.

an activity of a specified kind, especially a recreational or sporting one.

“a whole range of leisure pursuits”

Last edited 2 months ago by Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 months ago

@ surplus

That would obligate the state to remove obstacles to citizens’ pursuit of these things,

You’ve reminded me of a court case; that incels did comment on.

It was a personal injury claim. Negligent surgery left a woman unable to have sex. Part of the damages award reflected that. The court said that this was something people were entitled to.

Incels went on about how that meant courts said that sex was a fundamental human right for women, so why not men? But of course the court actually meant it in the way you mention. The right is to have the capacity for sex; not sex itself.

Same as when you get damages for a broken leg. You get those even if you had no interest, or opportunity, to go walking somewhere.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
2 months ago

Give out redeemable vouchers. A voucher recipient still has to find a brothel willing to accept them as a client, which means an abusive one can still end up being refused service. Brothels that are in good standing vis-a-vis the regulation of their industry could then redeem the vouchers with the government for money.

Asked the brother in law, since he’s lived in Amsterdam for years and deals with disability issues. This is pretty much how it works. It’s a claimable benefit for the disabled and is specific to sex work. The workers still have full rights to refuse the client, and have to register their interest/willingness to work with the scheme in the first place.

Full Metal Ox
2 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw:

It was a personal injury claim. Negligent surgery left a woman unable to have sex. Part of the damages award reflected that. The court said that this was something people were entitled to.


Incels went on about how that meant courts said that sex was a fundamental human right for women, so why not men? But of course the court actually meant it in the way you mention. The right is to have the capacity for sex; not sex itself.

I wonder if Stella Liebeck’s McDonald’s coffee scald settlement—such as it was—took that into account.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
2 months ago

Well that’s the first time I had to leave and come back later, I just couldn’t finish reading the post. I was like “nope” outta there.

Rapemeat is a new one but I’m not surprised at all.

Alan Robertshaw
2 months ago

@ full metal ox

Possibly. I think the settlement was confidential though, and with settlements it’s just a figure the parties agree on. So might not be calculated the same way a court would.

Usually in PI cases (and defamation) there’s ‘general damages’ and ‘special damages’.

General is just the standard award that everyone gets. That’s based on the nature of the injuries themselves. Over here we use something called Kemp & Kemp to assess that. It’s a book of previous payouts, so over time they become standardised. Other jurisdictions have similar things.

Special is quantifiable damages that arise from the claimant’s own particular circumstances. So for example, everyone who gets their leg broken gets the same amount for ‘pain and suffering’. That’s general. But then special damages would be based on things like loss of wages, and that amount will vary from individual to individual depending on their salary.

It all gets a bit complex though. Some interesting cases on facial scarring. Models get more as it can affect their work; but also attractive people generally can get more because it’s more of a loss!

There was a McDonalds coffee case here; but it failed. But as cropped up last time the US case was discussed here; it seems British coffee is generally hotter anyway. I get a free coffee from a supermarket. Its a three mile walk back and it’s still too hot to drink even then.

http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2002/490.html

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Lumipuna
Lumipuna
2 months ago

It seems to me these incels disagree on “sexual communism” because some of them assume it’d mean abolishing exclusive private “ownership” of women – even though the ones who do advocate “sexual communism” or “sexual redistribution” probably don’t actually mean it like that.

Mostly, incels seem to yearn for some idealized social past where monogamy was perfectly enforced, all men were able to marry a young virgin woman, all young women were beautiful and all husbands of aging women were faithful. In this sense, they are socially rightwing, while economically they may be all over the place, and mostly uninterested in politics.

Meanwhile, they don’t seem to very seriously envision themselves dealing with the practical reality of being the husband in a lifelong committed relationship, raising a family etc. They don’t even seem to be much comfortable with the term “wife”, as they come up with quirky expressions such as “private girlfriend” and “fit fertile woman to breed with”.

epitome of incomrepehensibility

So they’re both convinced women are property. The argument is whether they’re public or private property.

@Big Titty Demon – oh, same about that “word” (rapemeat). I was laughing at “PizzaCuck” but that one disgusted me.

But then just rolling my eyes at

they do not produce sex, they produce babies

Yeah, sex is a “do” thing, not a “produce” thing, but women don’t randomly “produce” babies. “Producing” babies is a complicated process of conception, gestation, and birth, and so far, for people, you need a sperm and egg getting together to start the whole thing. So you’re ignoring sperm-producing folks, mostly men. Shame on you for being so man-hating, Mr. Incel!

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
2 months ago

This is a minor issue I have with this nonsense, but I assume ”fit” and ”fertile” are supposed to mean ”hot” and ”young”, respectively, but that’s not actually what those words mean. Setting aside the fact that ”every male” would get a ”fit and fertile woman” (even though if it’s for actual breeding purposes, you should really do some vetting for the men too), if there was a body that gave women to men, their understanding of ”fit and fertile” might not please this guy’s sensibilities, and then where would he be?

But that wouldn’t even factor into it, though, since I seem to remember reading something completely horrifying about how the Khmer Rouge tried to get more babies to happen and from what I understood, there were absolutely zero funtimes and no one should do anything like that to anyone, ever, but I’m reluctant to look it up because just remembering it makes me glad I’ve already done all the eating for the day.

The only thing about this I find understandable is misspelling ”bourgeoisie”, since whenever I find myself needing to spell it, I first chant it silently to myself the way I’d pronounce the letter combination in Finnish and then check and double-check I’ve done it correctly. It’s just one of those words where I don’t usually even realise if others have misspelled it, since my brain just somehow jumps over it after it recognizes it as ”that thing”.

Ingmar
Ingmar
2 months ago

Hi, long time.
This reminds me of those dark enlightenment people, theorizing why if you think you can redistribute wealth you can’t redistribute sex? All or nothing.
They don’t consider you need to dehumanize and treat some people as a mean relative to others who are the end, the women being for the men. As if they were inanimate objects like money or resources.

Btw OT but, I noticed a recurring sentence, probably a meme in comments below songs, women song, to be precise, Miley Cyrus, Ava Max, is where I noticed, but probably Lady Gaga and the like as well, a man commenting an apparently praising sentence “This song/singer makes me feel like I’m a strong independent woman. And I’m a man.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ0hSl5Kics the comment is first in popularity, this is an interview not even a song.
Replies are really fucked up and the OP continuously jokes about his newfound femininity. Some thoughts?

Last edited 2 months ago by Ingmar
Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@Lumipuna

all husbands of aging women were faithful.

I don’t think they believe that, since that would be a responsibility for men and incels (and the right wing as a whole) don’t like having responsibilities for men.

In this sense, they are socially rightwing, while economically they may be all over the place, and mostly uninterested in politics.

Most of the incels I’ve seen are economically right-wing as well, Mr. TheIncelRepublic is a bit of an aberration. Most seem to be ancaps, US-style Libertarians or similar.

@Masse_Mysteria

if there was a body that gave women to men, their understanding of ”fit and fertile” might not please this guy’s sensibilities, and then where would he be?

Given the nature of incels, this is pretty much a guarantee. They’d get assigned a woman that had some minor flaw and we’d never hear the end of it.

@Ingmar

This reminds me of those dark enlightenment people, theorizing why if you think you can redistribute wealth you can’t redistribute sex? All or nothing.

The other thing they don’t consider is, if they think women can be redistributed, what’s to stop the redistributing of men (for sex or for other purposes)? They probably wouldn’t like that.

rabid rabbit
rabid rabbit
2 months ago

@Lukas Xavier

I guess that means testicles should be redistributed as well. Some people have two and some people have none. It’s so unfair.

And the redistribution would be so much easier! After all, since about 50% of the world population has two testicles while the other 50% have none, it would be fairly simple and logical to arrange for everybody to have just one. The people losing one testicle wouldn’t even have grounds for complaint, really, since last I checked you don’t actually need both, even if you’re hoping to breed.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
2 months ago

I didn’t initially bother to wonder what (if anything) “fit and fertile” might mean in this context. However, Masse Mysteria’s comment reminded me of what seem to be common incel/manospherian rationalizations for a fundamental problem: are there really enough (reasonably hot) women for everyone?

One common idea seems to be that all women are hot when they’re sufficiently young. This also sort-of explains how Chad is able to fuck literally all the women all the time. The number of women on dating market is much smaller than the number of men, because women only functionally exist some 10 years of their lives. The fundamental problem is that modern liberated women spend their precious youths having sex with Chad, or (possibly, some of the time) not having sex at all.

Then there’s the idea that all young women are hot as long as they aren’t too fat. I think this is what the “fit” part refers to. If only our society guided young women into healthy lifestyles, then their full hotness potential could realized for the benefit of mankind. Unattractive women everywhere are rhetorically dubbed as “fat” first and foremost, and any female ugliness that can’t be cured with a little gym exercise is erased.

As for the “fertile”, it may be variously used as a code for hot (sort of like in the original evopsych sense) or young (most likely in this case) or just a vague positive qualifier conventionally associated with women as sexual objects.

Snowberry
Snowberry
2 months ago

@Naglfar:

The other thing they don’t consider is, if they think women can be redistributed, what’s to stop the redistributing of men (for sex or for other purposes)? They probably wouldn’t like that.

For the purpose of their conversations about rights, men are persons, women are non-persons. All men believe this deep down, what women believe don’t matter because any rights they have are solely at the discretion of men, whether most men understand that or not. Might makes right, real men freely exercise their might.

From that point of view, “fairness” as most people think of it isn’t really a meaningful concept, but they’re also operating from the extremely immature concept of “unfairness” possessed by the kind of person who often cheats but usually gets caught or loses anyway. It’s unfair that they can’t be the one to always win, or can’t always get the biggest slice of the cake, or can’t get pushback for bad behavior, or whatever else their ego demands. In this case, their ego demands sex with the “best” women.

Their entire philosophy is devoted to justifying their feelings of “unfairness”. It’s really hard to make it work without a presumption that women aren’t people.

bekabot
bekabot
2 months ago

What the private-property side of this picture is counting on is that the girls’ Dads are going to like these boys better than the girls do, which is not guaranteed. What the command-economy side is counting on is that the government is going to like these boys better than girls do, which is (if anything) even less guaranteed. Short version: the boys haven’t solved their problem. Too bad.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
2 months ago

Something disturbing is happening with that Bernie Sanders meme.

It started innocently enough, with random photos having him photoshopped in wearing those large brown mittens. But now it seems to be evolving in a rather troubling direction. Increasingly I’m seeing ones that imply Sanders having met an unfortunate demise of some sort. One implied strongly that he’d been eaten by a python, another a polar bear. And inevitably someone photoshopped him into a Weekend at Bernie’s poster … whose titular character was, of course, dead the whole time.

Is this just tastelessness or is there something more sinister going on here, bubbling up from dark corners of the far right?

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@Rabid Rabbit

since last I checked you don’t actually need both, even if you’re hoping to breed.

As far as I know, sperm count is usually sufficient for reproduction even if there is only one testicle functioning, but is often lower than it would be for someone with 2 functioning.
If anyone wants to redistribute testicles, I don’t like mine much and would happily trade for an ovary or two if such a thing were possible.

@Lumipuna

are there really enough (reasonably hot) women for everyone?

I would say not by their standards. About 70% are over 18. Assuming they only accept women between 15 and 25 (though they argue when the “wall” is), that leaves 7.5% of women. Since they always talk about “HB10s”, let’s assume that their scale of hotness is linear and proportional (i.e. 10% of women are 1s, 10% are 10s, etc), only 10% of those women would qualify. So that leaves 0.75% of women for 70% of men, or 93 men per woman. So unless polyandry is allowed, the numbers don’t work out at all.

@Snowberry

It’s unfair that they can’t be the one to always win, or can’t always get the biggest slice of the cake, or can’t get pushback for bad behavior, or whatever else their ego demands. In this case, their ego demands sex with the “best” women.

This does appear to be how they see the world. It reminds me of how after the election, Republican politicians actually said it “wasn’t fair” to the 74,000,000 Trump supporters that Trump wasn’t going to be president, even though he lost by millions of votes.

@Surplus
I don’t think there’s any reason to suggest foul play, it seems like people are just making dark memes. Unless people are making fascist or bigoted ones, I doubt it’s the alt right.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
2 months ago

That Black Pill forum……Jeeeeesus😖. I happened to click on a post titled “Old Roastoids Enrage Me”. Old means over 20. I guess this person thinks they’ll be young forever.

Their jargon is funny at times, I’ll give them that.

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
2 months ago

They’re completely ignoring another fact: many of the women they consider hot are in fact infertile because their body fat percentage is too low and they’ve stopped ovulating because of it. Take your pick, boys: either skinny or fertile.

I’d never thought of Stalin as having a pornstache, but now I will. Thanks? David.

I recall seeing propaganda posters of the New Soviet Woman being liberated from the kitchen and child care, working in factories or offices where there were babysitting programs, institutional kitchens, and clubs for the women to hang out with each other after work while the older kids went from school to babysitting.

Now, of course, it didn’t turn out so rosily, but it shows women’s lib baked right in to Soviet Communism at the start. New Soviet Woman didn’t have to get married and pop out sprogs, she could have a job. Or she could be married with children, but still not enslaved to the stove in her hovel, she could take the whole family to the cafeteria. (Where most of the workers were probably women, but still).

@Naglfar: I know some transmen who might take those testicles off you, if they’re still in working order. Beats injections.

@Lumipuna: No, the incels want a never-ending supply of hot young babes who are faithful. They can sleep around all they want, just like Chad. Incels want a hot 20 year old when they’re 20, and when she and they turn 30, they dump her for another 20 year old, and so on till they’re 90 and get issued another hot 20 year old.

Where the endless supply of hot 20 year old women is supposed to come from is never discussed. They just ARE, okay?!

Of course their whole name is wrong — they aren’t involuntarily celibate. They just have such terrible personalities that no one’s interested in them, and they could change their thinking.

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@Dormousing_it

I guess this person thinks they’ll be young forever.

They appear to believe that men age differently than women (I’ve heard misogynists use the slogan “women age like milk, men like fine wine”), which, in addition to the obvious, there’s the fact that as we discussed in the other thread, past a certain point wine doesn’t age all that well.
It’s also not true, at least in my opinion. I might be biased in some way, but I can think of a lot more women in their 60s and beyond that I’d consider attractive than men in the same age group.

@GSS ex-noob

I know some transmen who might take those testicles off you, if they’re still in working order.

Since I’m not on HRT yet (pandemic got in the way), they should be. I’ve always thought it would be great if people could trade organs like that. Maybe in the future.

personalpest
personalpest
2 months ago

The more women a man can score, the more he will spread his genes and win the game of life.

Huh. I thought there were a whole bunch of ways to win the game of Life.

As for the post, not much to say that hasn’t already been said except: do incels compete with each other to see who can come up with the most offensive ways to refer to women? If so, I sincerely hope who thought of “rapemeat” wins, because if there’s a term that’s even more horrific and disgusting, I don’t wanna hear it. Ever.

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
2 months ago

@Naglfar

They’d get assigned a woman that had some minor flaw and we’d never hear the end of it.

Hopefully neither would the agency or whatever, and then they’d revoke the whiner’s rights to a partner. Cue complaints about how only Chads and simps get women.

(I know this has nothing to do with what OP had in mind, but I find myself with a headcanon where young men going to get their assigned women would be warned by older fellows about how spurious complaints would get them blacklisted and bumped permanently to the bottom of the waiting list, but this wouldn’t help incels and their ilk, since they’d never view their own complaints as anything but 100% valid.)

@Lumipuna

Unattractive women everywhere are rhetorically dubbed as “fat” first and foremost, and any female ugliness that can’t be cured with a little gym exercise is erased.

Maybe this ties in with the what some people think of makeup? I’ve ran across rants where mean complain about how much harder it is for men to be ugly, since women can always put in makeup, which apparently is magic or something.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@Masse_Mysteria

I’ve ran across rants where mean complain about how much harder it is for men to be ugly, since women can always put in makeup, which apparently is magic or something.

Well, if incels think makeup is that magical, why can’t they wear makeup too? I can’t imagine they’d have the patience to get good at it, but if in their minds it’s so easy and makes you look flawless, they ought to try.

Ingmar
Ingmar
2 months ago

@Snowberry

For the purpose of their conversations about rights, men are persons, women are non-persons.

Yeah, exactly the very point, that’s why they talk about women as commodity and not about the same think from men’s point of view.

All men believe this deep down, what women believe don’t matter because any rights they have are solely at the discretion of men, whether most men understand that or not. Might makes right, real men freely exercise their might.

All male incels believe this outright, many men, all if not most strasserists and “red brown” “brocialists” could well believe this not so deep down, but not so cosciously, which shows how ingrained it is socially as environmental and cultural messaging despite all the “cultural marxism” they claim to be haegemonic.
I guess you mean all men as in that’s what they believe all men are hardwired into seeing women when using that as naturalistic fallacy, like “you’re virtue signaling, I, instead non hypocritically asshole – vice – signal to my group, that you like all men are not better than us and are just simping and white knighting to be better deluding yourself into fucking pussy cuz your nice, when it’s well known they get wet for rich, confident assholes or chads, you can’t go against biology”
@Lumipuna

Then there’s the idea that all young women are hot as long as they aren’t too fat. I think this is what the “fit” part refers to. If only our society guided young women into healthy lifestyles, then their full hotness potential could realized for the benefit of mankind. Unattractive women everywhere are rhetorically dubbed as “fat” first and foremost, and any female ugliness that can’t be cured with a little gym exercise is erased.

True, although you probably know incel believe that it’s easier because apparently many more women are considered attractive by men than men by women.
Despite all contrary evidence, they like to believe that, women can have flaws they can easily correct and that men are not picky at all in that, while women can fixate into minor details like height being a big factor, that can’t be helped.
Now it’s true that heightism is a problem, not to be easily dismissed, but it’s society in general not just women and I don’t think it’s such a deal breaker as they say to many women, it’s just statistically less likely that a guy is shorter. For many it’s a preference not like a rigid bar, like breasts for men. Many women are not confident for this reason but they shouldn’t and in fact many feel sexy and confident anyway.

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
2 months ago

@Nalgfar

Well, if incels think makeup is that magical, why can’t they wear makeup too?

My (extremely limited) understanding is that that’s just not how it works.

My three best guesses are 1) that the magic works only on women, 2) the magic makes everyone who uses it look like a woman (which understandably would not be for everyone) or 3) they assume everyone can always tell when someone is wearing makeup, and since it’s viewed mostly as a feminine thing, a man with makeup would be ridiculed.

Ingmar
Ingmar
2 months ago

@Naglfar

They appear to believe that men age differently than women (I’ve heard misogynists use the slogan “women age like milk, men like fine wine”), which, in addition to the obvious, there’s the fact that as we discussed in the other thread, past a certain point wine doesn’t age all that well.

I guess they men it has a chance to age well becoming balsamic and the like, but then milk can become a great seasoned cheese or yoghurt :).
Then there’s the notorious slut shaming anthem “a lock that can be opened by many key is a crappy lock and a key that can open all locks is a master key” poetry.
They don’t realize that this way they are making the sex an anthagonistic act between men and women where women have to gain from resisting, I can’t understand how people who complain women being too picky might want to perpetuate the same reason which contribute to make women less proactive and more cautious about it and men so eager, aka being something for which you’re admired vs something for which you can be dissed at least from the most backward sectore.
Then they default to “but it’s women who do it mostly to other women”…

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@Ingmar

I guess you mean all men as in that’s what they believe all men are hardwired into seeing women when using that as naturalistic fallacy

Yes, conservatives project their own beliefs onto all people generally. As a result, they’re convinced we are just as repulsive as they are and just don’t show it.

Now it’s true that heightism is a problem, not to be easily dismissed, but it’s society in general not just women and I don’t think it’s such a deal breaker as they say to many women, it’s just statistically less likely that a guy is shorter.

I’m not a man, but I presented as one for most of my life. I’m also shorter than the average man (I’m about 5’6″ (168cm), US average men’s height is 5’9″(176cm)). The only people who ever gave me shit about my height were men. I understand that some women may prefer or only date tall men, but in my experience that’s definitely a minority of women.

“a lock that can be opened by many key is a crappy lock and a key that can open all locks is a master key”

They’re also forgetting that a lot of locks are designed to be opened by many keys. For instance, many buildings have locks designed to be opened by all tenants/users on the front door, then with more restricted access to subsections.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 months ago

@Ingmar

Man: subject, woman: object, of course. Because women are never the ones who seduce and “unlock” men… oh wait.

Misogyny makes superhero comics look downright internally consistent.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
2 months ago

Also, keys that open a lot of door tend to be criminal or law enforcement tools.

So are chads all bandits or policemen ? I mean, 100% of chads are both, but mostly because they don’t exist.

Penny Psmith
Penny Psmith
2 months ago

Somewhat tangentially, this reminds me that I once heard a description of sex being like lock picking – not because of that old lock&key thing but because apparently in lock picking (I have no personal experience but that’s what I’ve been told) you need to be very attentive to various cues to figure out when to go fast or slow, hard or gentle, etc. I rather like this comparison, even though it still depicts sex as something being done by a subject on an object (which I do not like), both because attentiveness is always sexy and because it is essentially gender neutral in what it’s trying to teach, and thus better than the “vaginas are locks and penises are keys” crap.

Some Chick
Some Chick
2 months ago

Honestly, how can you, with a straight face, claim to be involuntarily celibate when you spout nonsense like this? They actively hate and wish to harm half the human population (at least) and don’t see that their own behavior is the problem. Seriously, flames, flames, flames on the side of face.
Also, they even get their own stupid take on political theory wrong. It’s like they go out of their way to be as wrong as humanly possible.

TehWondahKitty
TehWondahKitty
2 months ago

I read this and I realize that I shelved a whole scifi novel I was working on because it was a post-apocalyptic fiction in which some city-states would turn to specifically enslaving women in order to control their male population. I decided this was unrealistic.

Whoops.

Alan Robertshaw
2 months ago

Totally O/T; but I know there are people here who like dormice.

https://www.thedonkeysanctuary.org.uk/news/one-of-the-uks-rarest-animals-thriving-at-paccombe-farm

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
2 months ago

@TehWondahKitty : the unlikely part is that MGTOW aren’t organized enough to create a city state, and are too useless to require people to control them.

(ok, ok. enslaving / taking prisoner the women to control their husband is actually something that happened historically. I guess depending on the small print your novel could be realistic enough)

@Alan : I didn’t know what they were, but they are awfully cute. Don’t they also sleep in flowers ?